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(06-29-2024, 10:48 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]If I were Trump I would refuse the second debate. I would call it elder abuse and leave it at that.

Absolutely.  There's no reason for another debate.

(06-29-2024, 10:48 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]If I were Trump I would refuse the second debate. I would call it elder abuse and leave it at that.

When America is weak, the world falls into chaos. When a sitting President is obviously infirm but the abetting press carries the party water until it can't be hidden any longer, America falls into chaos. 

The world needs a strong America. America needs a strong, and honest, press. We see both failing miserably right now.

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(06-29-2024, 11:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-29-2024, 10:48 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]If I were Trump I would refuse the second debate. I would call it elder abuse and leave it at that.

Absolutely.  There's no reason for another debate.

Will you be voting for him anyway?

(06-28-2024, 10:34 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]I love seeing even the most delusional left wing networks like Msnbc and CNN finally waking up to the dementia issue. Before this debate they were sweating Biden was as sharp as ever.

Yeah but they can't help themselves to taking a pot shot at Trump in the same breath.  CNN, Reuters, etc all focus on the obvious issue of Biden's mental capacity because they can no longer tell you not to believe your lying eyes, but in the same breath mention that Trump was lying all night.  As if Biden is a paragon of truth and wasn't spewing [BLEEP] all night.

(06-29-2024, 10:20 AM)InvalidContentWasFoundStarting Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a weird scenario....

Although the 25th Amendment can be used to remove Biden from the office of the president, it can not be used to prevent him from becoming the Democratic nominee.

So his cabinet can remove him - obviously unwillingly on his part or the 25th Amendment wouldn't be needed.  And if he's unwilling to resign as president then he's obviously going to be unwilling to advise delegates pledged to him to nominate someone else.  So he would be the Democratic nominee and could conceivably (by hook or by crook) win the presidency again.

So then what does the cabinet do?  Remove him again when he is sworn back in in January?  I don't think so.  I think they would keep him in that scenario.  Any Dems that want to remove Biden only want to do so because they're afraid Trump will win in November.  But if Biden wins, I would think they would keep him.

Biden is on serious decline but he's not so far gone that the 25th amendment applies.  Not even close.  25th was for situations like when Woodrow Wilson had a stroke (they didn't have the amendment at the time and it was a problem) and it was also for the hypothetical "what if Kennedy survived getting shot but wasn't well afterwards?". It's not for, "man he's not himself anymore." It's for "This guy can't form a complete sentence at this point" or "this guy is forgetting things that just happened".

Trump should debate no matter what. Also, this will be after the lawlessness of the NYC judge too on July 11. Bidens cognitive ability will only get worse too. Demon Jill will roll that man onto the stage if thats what it takes. Easy money.

(06-28-2024, 10:34 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]I love seeing even the most delusional left wing networks like Msnbc and CNN finally waking up to the dementia issue. Before this debate they were sweating Biden was as sharp as ever.

They’ve been awake the entire time, but they weren’t going to report it because he’s their guy. They just can’t hide it anymore. This is what a biased media does.

(06-29-2024, 01:20 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-28-2024, 10:34 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]I love seeing even the most delusional left wing networks like Msnbc and CNN finally waking up to the dementia issue. Before this debate they were sweating Biden was as sharp as ever.

They’ve been awake the entire time, but they weren’t going to report it because he’s their guy. They just can’t hide it anymore. This is what a biased media does.

The difference in coverage between FOX and CNN is stark and this statement isn't earth shattering as it's been that way forever.  It's not the right vs left difference I'm highlighting here, it's the difference in having and projecting objectivity and having none.  Sure, each panel has operatives from the DNC and RNC on it and they are identified as such, but the regular panel on FOX doesn't show disappointment or dismay at "their guy" underperforming.  They report on it and comment on it.  On CNN by contrast, several if not all of the panel members were clearly dismayed at what they had seen from their guy.  They have a couple of token RNC guys, but the panel is comprised of what they label as journalists when in fact they are all former and clearly still currently DNC operatives and cheerleaders.

Even when they bounced coverage from the main panel to another panel consisting of a few women and Chris Wallace, it was Chris remaining composed and objective and 3 or 4 women bellyaching about what they had just seen and taking pot shots at Trump.  Chris seems really out of place over there.

(06-29-2024, 12:43 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-28-2024, 10:34 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]I love seeing even the most delusional left wing networks like Msnbc and CNN finally waking up to the dementia issue. Before this debate they were sweating Biden was as sharp as ever.

Yeah but they can't help themselves to taking a pot shot at Trump in the same breath.  CNN, Reuters, etc all focus on the obvious issue of Biden's mental capacity because they can no longer tell you not to believe your lying eyes, but in the same breath mention that Trump was lying all night.  As if Biden is a paragon of truth and wasn't spewing [BLEEP] all night.

In terms of lying, and dodging questions, Trump did MUCH worse than Biden.  

Biden's answered each question and his answers about the past were a bit garbled but completely factual.  His answers about the future were wishful, naive, and unserious, but that's par for the course with a Dem.

Trump refused to answer questions about respecting results of elections and staying in NATO.  And a lot of his answers about the past just weren't truthful.

Lying and dodging aren't the only two things to look at of course but in terms of those things only, Trump did worse than Biden.

(06-29-2024, 12:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-29-2024, 10:20 AM)InvalidContentWasFoundStarting Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a weird scenario....

Although the 25th Amendment can be used to remove Biden from the office of the president, it can not be used to prevent him from becoming the Democratic nominee.

So his cabinet can remove him - obviously unwillingly on his part or the 25th Amendment wouldn't be needed.  And if he's unwilling to resign as president then he's obviously going to be unwilling to advise delegates pledged to him to nominate someone else.  So he would be the Democratic nominee and could conceivably (by hook or by crook) win the presidency again.

So then what does the cabinet do?  Remove him again when he is sworn back in in January?  I don't think so.  I think they would keep him in that scenario.  Any Dems that want to remove Biden only want to do so because they're afraid Trump will win in November.  But if Biden wins, I would think they would keep him.

Biden is on serious decline but he's not so far gone that the 25th amendment applies.  Not even close.  25th was for situations like when Woodrow Wilson had a stroke (they didn't have the amendment at the time and it was a problem) and it was also for the hypothetical "what if Kennedy survived getting shot but wasn't well afterwards?". It's not for, "man he's not himself anymore." It's for "This guy can't form a complete sentence at this point" or "this guy is forgetting things that just happened".

If you had just said the part in bold without the other gibberish you would have been correct for once.

(06-29-2024, 12:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-29-2024, 10:20 AM)InvalidContentWasFoundStarting Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a weird scenario....

Although the 25th Amendment can be used to remove Biden from the office of the president, it can not be used to prevent him from becoming the Democratic nominee.

So his cabinet can remove him - obviously unwillingly on his part or the 25th Amendment wouldn't be needed.  And if he's unwilling to resign as president then he's obviously going to be unwilling to advise delegates pledged to him to nominate someone else.  So he would be the Democratic nominee and could conceivably (by hook or by crook) win the presidency again.

So then what does the cabinet do?  Remove him again when he is sworn back in in January?  I don't think so.  I think they would keep him in that scenario.  Any Dems that want to remove Biden only want to do so because they're afraid Trump will win in November.  But if Biden wins, I would think they would keep him.

Biden is on serious decline but he's not so far gone that the 25th amendment applies.  Not even close.  25th was for situations like when Woodrow Wilson had a stroke (they didn't have the amendment at the time and it was a problem) and it was also for the hypothetical "what if Kennedy survived getting shot but wasn't well afterwards?". It's not for, "man he's not himself anymore." It's for "This guy can't form a complete sentence at this point" or "this guy is forgetting things that just happened".

My memory is fuzzy, but weren’t there calls to use the 25th on Trump a few years back?  And If I am not mistaken you were a proponent weren’t you?

(06-29-2024, 12:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-29-2024, 10:48 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]If I were Trump I would refuse the second debate. I would call it elder abuse and leave it at that.

When America is weak, the world falls into chaos. When a sitting President is obviously infirm but the abetting press carries the party water until it can't be hidden any longer, America falls into chaos. 

The world needs a strong America. America needs a strong, and honest, press. We see both failing miserably right now.

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(06-29-2024, 11:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely.  There's no reason for another debate.

Will you be voting for him anyway?

Undecided.  Leaning no.

There are many ways I agree and disagree with both political parties.  I'm split in that way.  So I would probably select based on the person.  But I don't think either one of these guys ought to be President.  So I'm stuck.  You want a strong, honest press, how about a strong and honest President?  Are either of these guys both strong and honest?  Both of these guys get a ZERO on one or the other of those.  ZERO!  This isn't just a bad set of candidates, it's an AMAZINGLY bad choice of candidates.  Rome fell because they had a series of bad emperors.  I see a parallel here.

(06-29-2024, 02:28 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-29-2024, 12:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]When America is weak, the world falls into chaos. When a sitting President is obviously infirm but the abetting press carries the party water until it can't be hidden any longer, America falls into chaos. 

The world needs a strong America. America needs a strong, and honest, press. We see both failing miserably right now.

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Will you be voting for him anyway?

Undecided.  Leaning no.

There are many ways I agree and disagree with both political parties.  I'm split in that way.  So I would probably select based on the person.  But I don't think either one of these guys ought to be President.  So I'm stuck.  You want a strong, honest press, how about a strong and honest President?  Are either of these guys both strong and honest?  Both of these guys get a ZERO on one or the other of those.  ZERO!  This isn't just a bad set of candidates, it's an AMAZINGLY bad choice of candidates.  Rome fell because they had a series of bad emperors.  I see a parallel here.

Trump isn't that bad of a candidate if you overlook the biases the MSM has fed you for 8 years.

(06-29-2024, 04:44 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-29-2024, 02:28 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Undecided.  Leaning no.

There are many ways I agree and disagree with both political parties.  I'm split in that way.  So I would probably select based on the person.  But I don't think either one of these guys ought to be President.  So I'm stuck.  You want a strong, honest press, how about a strong and honest President?  Are either of these guys both strong and honest?  Both of these guys get a ZERO on one or the other of those.  ZERO!  This isn't just a bad set of candidates, it's an AMAZINGLY bad choice of candidates.  Rome fell because they had a series of bad emperors.  I see a parallel here.

Trump isn't that bad of a candidate if you overlook the biases the MSM has fed you for 8 years.

My feelings about Trump have nothing to do with the MSM.  It's what I have seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears.

(06-29-2024, 04:47 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-29-2024, 04:44 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Trump isn't that bad of a candidate if you overlook the biases the MSM has fed you for 8 years.

My feelings about Trump have nothing to do with the MSM.  It's what I have seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears.

I’m curious, can you elaborate please; from the beginning?

A client of ours is a Democrat, possibly leans more left than others. She asked me yesterday if I'd watched the debate and I told her I had not. She said it was a hot mess, Biden was especially awful, the country is in trouble, and two old men one with obvious diminished mental faculties should not be allowed to run the country.

I told her I don't vote based on what they tell me they're going to do, I vote based what they've already done in their political career. Words and actions are not always one and the same with these jokers.

(06-29-2024, 12:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-29-2024, 10:48 AM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]If I were Trump I would refuse the second debate. I would call it elder abuse and leave it at that.

When America is weak, the world falls into chaos. When a sitting President is obviously infirm but the abetting press carries the party water until it can't be hidden any longer, America falls into chaos. 

The world needs a strong America. America needs a strong, and honest, press. We see both failing miserably right now.

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(06-29-2024, 11:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely.  There's no reason for another debate.

Will you be voting for him anyway?

I will vote for Trump and not afraid to say it.  Trump is a Liar, Trump is a Hypocrite, Trump is a bs artist, Trump is  a lot of things.  I also am smart enough to know that Biden is just as bad but hides it better.  Trump is who he is like it or not.  Biden is just a movie Star.  The 2 most important issues effecting my life is the border (limits America's employment opportunists,Fills America's School's and hospitals up, Some are criminals, Takes America's resources while shipping money back to theirs, and is breaking the Law the moment they step on this turf illegally). I am not against imigration but I am against unregulated or uncontrolled regulation. The border is out of control and Terrorist have gotten into this country.  America is being invaded by the millions and sooner or later it will effect you.  Some of these immigrants openly hate America.  The other issue is the economy.  Joe has no answers to solving this inflation crisis. The liberals are too busy sending Billions to Ukraine while putting America Last. 

I will take the tough lucid criminal over the babbling weak old man.  Like it or not that is the 2 choices.  You can go RFK Jr but we know an independent is not going to win. if you want to talk about the real threat to Democracy look at the feeble old man with border line dementia with the nuclear codes in his pocket.

Pudding brain will likely drop out next week. Will it be tranny Mike or greasy Gavin?

(06-29-2024, 02:24 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-29-2024, 12:54 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Biden is on serious decline but he's not so far gone that the 25th amendment applies.  Not even close.  25th was for situations like when Woodrow Wilson had a stroke (they didn't have the amendment at the time and it was a problem) and it was also for the hypothetical "what if Kennedy survived getting shot but wasn't well afterwards?". It's not for, "man he's not himself anymore." It's for "This guy can't form a complete sentence at this point" or "this guy is forgetting things that just happened".

My memory is fuzzy, but weren’t there calls to use the 25th on Trump a few years back?  And If I am not mistaken you were a proponent weren’t you?

There were indeed calls to use the 25th section 4 as soon as Trump's cabinet was put together in 2017.

And there were more and louder calls from actual members of Congress right after Jan 6 and yes I did agree with that for a couple of days. 

The thought was that Trump might try again to get folks to kill or maim members of government who were going to let Biden take office.  But after Trump called off the dogs around 3:30 pm Jan 6, he didn't try to call them back again so it was a moot point.  

If you are actively and violently working against the duly elected government you are unable to discharge the powers and duties of the office.  It's not what they had in mind when they wrote the amendment, but, it's necessary for the whole country to take a broad interpretation when democracy itself is at stake. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.  

In this case, with Biden, some Democrats may feel like the 25th should be invoked, but that would just be for the good of their party, not for democratically elected government as a whole.

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(06-29-2024, 08:04 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-29-2024, 12:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]When America is weak, the world falls into chaos. When a sitting President is obviously infirm but the abetting press carries the party water until it can't be hidden any longer, America falls into chaos. 

The world needs a strong America. America needs a strong, and honest, press. We see both failing miserably right now.

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Will you be voting for him anyway?

I will vote for Trump and not afraid to say it.  Trump is a Liar, Trump is a Hypocrite, Trump is a bs artist, Trump is  a lot of things.  I also am smart enough to know that Biden is just as bad but hides it better.  Trump is who he is like it or not.  Biden is just a movie Star.  The 2 most important issues effecting my life is the border (limits America's employment opportunists,Fills America's School's and hospitals up, Some are criminals, Takes America's resources while shipping money back to theirs, and is breaking the Law the moment they step on this turf illegally). I am not against imigration but I am against unregulated or uncontrolled regulation. The border is out of control and Terrorist have gotten into this country.  America is being invaded by the millions and sooner or later it will effect you.  Some of these immigrants openly hate America.  The other issue is the economy.  Joe has no answers to solving this inflation crisis. The liberals are too busy sending Billions to Ukraine while putting America Last. 

I will take the tough lucid criminal over the babbling weak old man.  Like it or not that is the 2 choices.  You can go RFK Jr but we know an independent is not going to win. if you want to talk about the real threat to Democracy look at the feeble old man with border line dementia with the nuclear codes in his pocket.

Trump has no answers on inflation either. Tariffs and income tax cuts will juice inflation bigly.

On the border I agree with you.  People should never be crossing our border without permission.  Whether you think a lot of people should get permission or only a small number, I am ambivalent, but I don't understand just allowing people to come over without permission.