(07-02-2024, 05:41 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2024, 05:09 PM)Buji Wrote: [ -> ]Hi guys,
I have asked a lot of questions in the other thread, thank you for answers so far.
Just one more question which I think is fitting in this one:
If a party (Democrats in this case most likely) is under the impression that their candidate wouldn't have a chance by this point, can they change/replace him/her?
Thank you
Biden has almost all of the delegates to the Convention pledged to him. So to replace him, he would have to withdraw of his own volition. Then, the delegates to the Convention would vote on a replacement.
I think it would be great TV to see 4 or 5 candidates trying to get the nomination at the Convention. Lots of drama!
Would be fun to see. When was the last time there was an open convention? 1968?
I think the pressure to step down is only escalating and if donors start pulling away, then he will have no chance but to throw in the towel. Interesting checking the betting markets and Biden’s odds of being the democratic nominee are just about the same as Kamala’s. The ship is sinking fast.
I swear the Liberal Brain is dead. Elon Musk calls it a HIve mind and I am starting to believe it.
Liberal Arguments:
"He's a Threat to Democracy"
"He will be a King"
"He broke the Law"
"Trump Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
We are talking about a man who has already held office. Add the fact that times were good until the Pandemic in 2020. Some occasionally have good points on why they do not want trump but the vast majority have a serious case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.(TDS) From my point is a much better option than the old fool we got running the Zoo in the white house currently. Joe Biden's policies have simply put America Last while Killing the middle class. Joe Biden has used our Tax Dollars and drained Social Security to support Millions of ILLEGAL immigrants in an attempt to convert them to voters. Reports are that Joe is a real Jerk behind the curtain so lets not pretend Joe is doing it out of the kindness of his heart. Under Joe Biden we have seen the top 1% of earners fortunes get fatter and fatter while the rest of us are fighting for scraps. Biden's Policies have made it almost impossible to find a Well paying job. (despite their BS reports of the job market is "good" the vast majority of the Job market is full of minimum wage part time gigs) Housing and the Cost of the living has gone through the roof but old Joe has got to send his Billions to Ukraine and Give out the Debit Card for illegal Aliens who are breaking the law.
I guess I have common sense and just do not understand the liberal way of thinking. You ask the average Democrat why they dislike Trump is it rarely his policies they go after it is always some attack on his character or something he said. Give me the Jerk with the big mouth that gets the job done versus the old Geezer who panders to the woke mob while putting America Last. Just my 2 cents. Times are rough for 99% for us due to Inflation, a poor Job Market, Cost of living going through the roof with no answers in sight. You really want 4 more years of this crazy administration running things? Clown-world!
(07-02-2024, 05:56 PM)Buji Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2024, 05:41 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Biden has almost all of the delegates to the Convention pledged to him. So to replace him, he would have to withdraw of his own volition. Then, the delegates to the Convention would vote on a replacement.
I think it would be great TV to see 4 or 5 candidates trying to get the nomination at the Convention. Lots of drama!
Thank you for explanation.
In the actual case it is/was kind off predictable that there could be complications.
But if it would be another candidate and he has health reasons for example or something else which would even lead the candidate to pull back his candidacy, what would be the most logical thing for the respective party? Do they have to take this steps which you described again? Months or weeks before the election? That's defeat by default in my opinion. Or does the second placed nominee has to be a 'substitute' in that case?
Sorry, if I sound like an ignorant but I seriously have no clue 
Our (DEM) best hope at this point in time is that the Clintons take action and do what they do best .... make people disappear that have an adverse impact in their lives.
Biden could be a hero and get out now, or he can continue on and get crushed in November. Perhaps we can convince him to get out of the race now and prepare for representing the Dems on the 2028 Presidential Ticket. HA !!!
(07-02-2024, 12:29 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2024, 10:24 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You're so close to getting it!
He is authoritarian. He is not cunning enough or manipulative enough. That's why he failed. But we know what he tried to do.
How is he authoritarian?
You asked. You guys make fun of me for using Wikipedia but crowd sourcing really can give the best answers:
Quote:Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in democracy, separation of powers, and the rule of law.
By "plurality" they mean pluralism or diversity. You can see that many Democrats are weak on these points as well.
(07-02-2024, 06:27 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]I swear the Liberal Brain is dead. Elon Musk calls it a HIve mind and I am starting to believe it.
Liberal Arguments:
"He's a Threat to Democracy"
"He will be a King"
"He broke the Law"
"Trump Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
We are talking about a man who has already held office. Add the fact that times were good until the Pandemic in 2020. Some occasionally have good points on why they do not want trump but the vast majority have a serious case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.(TDS) From my point is a much better option than the old fool we got running the Zoo in the white house currently. Joe Biden's policies have simply put America Last while Killing the middle class. Joe Biden has used our Tax Dollars and drained Social Security to support Millions of ILLEGAL immigrants in an attempt to convert them to voters. Reports are that Joe is a real Jerk behind the curtain so lets not pretend Joe is doing it out of the kindness of his heart. Under Joe Biden we have seen the top 1% of earners fortunes get fatter and fatter while the rest of us are fighting for scraps. Biden's Policies have made it almost impossible to find a Well paying job. (despite their BS reports of the job market is "good" the vast majority of the Job market is full of minimum wage part time gigs) Housing and the Cost of the living has gone through the roof but old Joe has got to send his Billions to Ukraine and Give out the Debit Card for illegal Aliens who are breaking the law.
I guess I have common sense and just do not understand the liberal way of thinking. You ask the average Democrat why they dislike Trump is it rarely his policies they go after it is always some attack on his character or something he said. Give me the Jerk with the big mouth that gets the job done versus the old Geezer who panders to the woke mob while putting America Last. Just my 2 cents. Times are rough for 99% for us due to Inflation, a poor Job Market, Cost of living going through the roof with no answers in sight. You really want 4 more years of this crazy administration running things? Clown-world!
There are multiple hive minds. Your post proves it.
Roll call!
If the roles were reversed, and if Biden seemed sharp but Trump was slurring his speech and mixing up or forgetting words, what would you have to say about it?
Would you call for Trump to step down so another Republican can win?
(07-02-2024, 07:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Roll call!
If the roles were reversed, and if Biden seemed sharp but Trump was slurring his speech and mixing up or forgetting words, what would you have to say about it?
Would you call for Trump to step down so another Republican can win?
Depends on which one was trying to destroy our country.
(07-02-2024, 07:01 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]
Dang. It’s not funny anymore. It’s terribly sad for that man and he’s surrounded by people who are taking advantage of him.
On the world stage.
(07-02-2024, 07:42 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2024, 07:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Roll call!
If the roles were reversed, and if Biden seemed sharp but Trump was slurring his speech and mixing up or forgetting words, what would you have to say about it?
Would you call for Trump to step down so another Republican can win?
Depends on which one was trying to destroy our country.
That's my answer too!
But let's give everyone else a chance.
(07-02-2024, 08:30 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2024, 07:42 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]Depends on which one was trying to destroy our country.
That's my answer too!
But let's give everyone else a chance.
So we're in agreement, you're voting Trump.
Well Done!!
(07-02-2024, 08:00 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2024, 07:01 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]
Dang. It’s not funny anymore. It’s terribly sad for that man and he’s surrounded by people who are taking advantage of him.
On the world stage.
His own family members are probably the worst of all. Hunter wants a pardon and Jill doesn't want to relinquish her First Lady status.
(07-01-2024, 02:13 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (07-01-2024, 02:03 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Of course it wasn't creepy pedo joes fualt
In their minds they believe that. I seriously believe their doctor did not get old Joe's brain cocktail mixture right. Ben Carson was quoted on saying there are mixtures of drugs you can give someone like Joe to "perk them up." If you watch the debate he seemed to get a little sharper as the night went on. Possibly the dose they gave him did not kick in fast enough. They would not volunteer to take a drug test either. Go watch the debate at the end and watch the very end. Joe is in such bad shape his wife had to help him down 1 STEP!. Insane anyone would vote for a man in this state.
Ask yourself this: If you owned a company and was hiring a CEO to take over your company. Would you hire Joe Biden in his current state to take over your operation? If you said yes, you are Insane!
The drug mixture is probably at lethal limits or completely ineffective right now. He has been pumped full of them for so long, they can no longer work. The MSM has hid it for +4 years and Dems for the most part don't watch the news or just watch MSM, so they literally had no clue it was this bad. Anyone watching any of his longer speeches from the last few years would have seen it. The debate was the first time most of them actually watched him speaking for more than a minute or 2.
(07-02-2024, 07:38 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2024, 07:29 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Trump is going to win, so let's hope he's as incompetent as he seems.
There’s a good possibility he doesn’t win if the Democrats get a viable candidate, and soon. Currently they seem frozen with indecision.
Trump beats anyone they put up with a fair election. Big Mike may be the closest of anyone but all the others get crushed. There is no one waiting in the wings because of how that party operates and controls.
(07-02-2024, 05:41 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2024, 05:09 PM)Buji Wrote: [ -> ]Hi guys,
I have asked a lot of questions in the other thread, thank you for answers so far.
Just one more question which I think is fitting in this one:
If a party (Democrats in this case most likely) is under the impression that their candidate wouldn't have a chance by this point, can they change/replace him/her?
Thank you
Biden has almost all of the delegates to the Convention pledged to him. So to replace him, he would have to withdraw of his own volition. Then, the delegates to the Convention would vote on a replacement.
I think it would be great TV to see 4 or 5 candidates trying to get the nomination at the Convention. Lots of drama!
(07-02-2024, 05:56 PM)Buji Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2024, 05:41 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Biden has almost all of the delegates to the Convention pledged to him. So to replace him, he would have to withdraw of his own volition. Then, the delegates to the Convention would vote on a replacement.
I think it would be great TV to see 4 or 5 candidates trying to get the nomination at the Convention. Lots of drama!
Thank you for explanation.
In the actual case it is/was kind off predictable that there could be complications.
But if it would be another candidate and he has health reasons for example or something else which would even lead the candidate to pull back his candidacy, what would be the most logical thing for the respective party? Do they have to take this steps which you described again? Months or weeks before the election? That's defeat by default in my opinion. Or does the second placed nominee has to be a 'substitute' in that case?
Sorry, if I sound like an ignorant but I seriously have no clue
(07-02-2024, 06:27 PM)Jagger Wrote: [ -> ] (07-02-2024, 05:41 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Biden has almost all of the delegates to the Convention pledged to him. So to replace him, he would have to withdraw of his own volition. Then, the delegates to the Convention would vote on a replacement.
I think it would be great TV to see 4 or 5 candidates trying to get the nomination at the Convention. Lots of drama!
Would be fun to see. When was the last time there was an open convention? 1968?
I think the pressure to step down is only escalating and if donors start pulling away, then he will have no chance but to throw in the towel. Interesting checking the betting markets and Biden’s odds of being the democratic nominee are just about the same as Kamala’s. The ship is sinking fast.
The options for replacements you stated are not viable now. The open convention relies on having a bunch of people running.
I still haven't seen anyone put all the info in a single, understandable post. There are different rules per state but it mostly comes down to this. In order to be on the ballot for president, you had to register last year and get signatures. No one did this for the primary other than Biden. From what I've seen, the dates are all past for the states now. The dems can change their convention rules to allow them to nominate whoever they want but since no one has filed to run for president they don't have a legal replacement option.
Then there are states where you can't remove him even if he steps down after the nomination. The 25th only removes him from the president, it doesn't remove the current nomination. Short of him "dying", the options are running out.
So the left keeps putting names out there, talks about open convention, etc but they don't talk about the fact that no one else registered so there are no other options at the convention. Afterwards he can step down but that doesn't mean he gets replaced on the ballot.
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Oh don't worry, sleepy Joe was just tired from all the travel. Next debate he will take 2 weeks to rest and prepare. 1 week apparently just wasn't enough.
(07-03-2024, 04:44 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (07-01-2024, 02:13 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]In their minds they believe that. I seriously believe their doctor did not get old Joe's brain cocktail mixture right. Ben Carson was quoted on saying there are mixtures of drugs you can give someone like Joe to "perk them up." If you watch the debate he seemed to get a little sharper as the night went on. Possibly the dose they gave him did not kick in fast enough. They would not volunteer to take a drug test either. Go watch the debate at the end and watch the very end. Joe is in such bad shape his wife had to help him down 1 STEP!. Insane anyone would vote for a man in this state.
Ask yourself this: If you owned a company and was hiring a CEO to take over your company. Would you hire Joe Biden in his current state to take over your operation? If you said yes, you are Insane!
The drug mixture is probably at lethal limits or completely ineffective right now. He has been pumped full of them for so long, they can no longer work. The MSM has hid it for +4 years and Dems for the most part don't watch the news or just watch MSM, so they literally had no clue it was this bad. Anyone watching any of his longer speeches from the last few years would have seen it. The debate was the first time most of them actually watched him speaking for more than a minute or 2.
(07-02-2024, 07:38 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]There’s a good possibility he doesn’t win if the Democrats get a viable candidate, and soon. Currently they seem frozen with indecision.
Trump beats anyone they put up with a fair election. Big Mike may be the closest of anyone but all the others get crushed. There is no one waiting in the wings because of how that party operates and controls.
(07-02-2024, 05:41 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Biden has almost all of the delegates to the Convention pledged to him. So to replace him, he would have to withdraw of his own volition. Then, the delegates to the Convention would vote on a replacement.
I think it would be great TV to see 4 or 5 candidates trying to get the nomination at the Convention. Lots of drama!
(07-02-2024, 05:56 PM)Buji Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you for explanation.
In the actual case it is/was kind off predictable that there could be complications.
But if it would be another candidate and he has health reasons for example or something else which would even lead the candidate to pull back his candidacy, what would be the most logical thing for the respective party? Do they have to take this steps which you described again? Months or weeks before the election? That's defeat by default in my opinion. Or does the second placed nominee has to be a 'substitute' in that case?
Sorry, if I sound like an ignorant but I seriously have no clue
(07-02-2024, 06:27 PM)Jagger Wrote: [ -> ]Would be fun to see. When was the last time there was an open convention? 1968?
I think the pressure to step down is only escalating and if donors start pulling away, then he will have no chance but to throw in the towel. Interesting checking the betting markets and Biden’s odds of being the democratic nominee are just about the same as Kamala’s. The ship is sinking fast.
The options for replacements you stated are not viable now. The open convention relies on having a bunch of people running.
I still haven't seen anyone put all the info in a single, understandable post. There are different rules per state but it mostly comes down to this. In order to be on the ballot for president, you had to register last year and get signatures. No one did this for the primary other than Biden. From what I've seen, the dates are all past for the states now. The dems can change their convention rules to allow them to nominate whoever they want but since no one has filed to run for president they don't have a legal replacement option.
Then there are states where you can't remove him even if he steps down after the nomination. The 25th only removes him from the president, it doesn't remove the current nomination. Short of him "dying", the options are running out.
So the left keeps putting names out there, talks about open convention, etc but they don't talk about the fact that no one else registered so there are no other options at the convention. Afterwards he can step down but that doesn't mean he gets replaced on the ballot.
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State ballot qualifying rules have always been mushy and malleable for the two major parties. As long as Joe is cooperating and says "new guy can have my spot on the ballot" the qualifying rules will be glossed over.
Now if this was a third party look out. That's where the duopoly makes it very hard.
(07-03-2024, 05:24 AM)Hurricane Wrote: [ -> ]Oh don't worry, sleepy Joe was just tired from all the travel. Next debate he will take 2 weeks to rest and prepare. 1 week apparently just wasn't enough.
HA !! No kidding. That's exactly what I was thinking. Coming from the other side, I was glad he took a week off so he could come out very sharp ...... Lol....
It finally happened. For the first time since 2019, Joe Biden is not the favorite to be the Democratic nominee per betting markets and sportsbooks. Kamala has passed him.
(07-03-2024, 10:16 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (07-03-2024, 05:24 AM)Hurricane Wrote: [ -> ]Oh don't worry, sleepy Joe was just tired from all the travel. Next debate he will take 2 weeks to rest and prepare. 1 week apparently just wasn't enough.
HA !! No kidding. That's exactly what I was thinking. Coming from the other side, I was glad he took a week off so he could come out very sharp ...... Lol....
Did you just respond to your alter ego?
(07-03-2024, 10:54 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-03-2024, 10:16 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]HA !! No kidding. That's exactly what I was thinking. Coming from the other side, I was glad he took a week off so he could come out very sharp ...... Lol....
Did you just respond to your alter ego?
No alter ego. I don't like Trump and fully admit when things go wrong for the Dems; or when the Dems are going down the wrong path, whether it be in support of the election or certain policies....
On a sidenote I got to thinking..... If Kamala replaces Joe and wins, we're essentially bound to her in the 2028 election as well (unless there is a total collapse somewhere in the next 4 years). Otherwise, we stick with Joe, have a low turnout and the GOP takes the Presidential ticket and down ballots (House and Congress). This also allows for a fresh start for the Dems in 2028 ---- Haley vs Shapiro perhaps ????? 1588 days until Nov 7 2028. I CAN SURVIVE !!!!