Quote:Nobody (and I mean NOBODY) should be blindly defended on this team........ including Blake Bortles. Has he had one game this year where he "didn't" have a pick? I'm sorry but those of you that tout him as a "franchise" QB...........you are going to rue the day you said that. He simply isn't that good. He is NOT Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or any of the elite QB's. Frankly, I don't see him ever getting to that top tier level. NOT with this team.
Don't forget Rogers was sitting on the bench for several years waiting for #4 to move on.. Brady either. The only elite QB good from the go was Big Ben. Peyton was really horrible his first year and slightly better his 2nd.. .
Look at Gabbert right now.. He looks like a competent NFL QB at the moment.. He seems to hang in there better than he did though the late sack today killed the 49ers chances.... If he hangs around, I can't wait for him to be on MNF and see what Gruden who brutalized him when doing a Jags games has to say... I still feel that Gruden's bashing of him basically gave him the wimp rep he could never get rid of on the Jags.. Hiding on the 49ers the last year and a half seems to have done him some good... He still throws a great ball most of the time which we saw in Jax....
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Bro...you can't be that dense.
Bortles threw for 330 yards two TD's and one INT....let's call it a C+ / B-
Defense allowed 300+ yards, zero turnovers, no passEs defended, practically no pressures or sacks....against backup olinemen and WRs...
What grade do you give that side of the ball, friend? You gonna go ahead and ignore the D's performance and put this loss on Bortles, eh? Smart.
Quote:I don't know what we're arguing. The D needs to improve. So does Bortles. Agree?
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Its just kinda funny when you say stuff like "Blake doesn't throw the ONE interception and the Jags win" while completely ignoring the fact that ONE in it of itself is not horrible while also completely ignoring the fact that our defense is historically bad.
Quote:Don't forget Rogers was sitting on the bench for several years waiting for #4 to move on.. Brady either. The only elite QB good from the go was Big Ben. Peyton was really horrible his first year and slightly better his 2nd.. .
Look at Gabbert right now.. He looks like a competent NFL QB at the moment.. He seems to hang in there better than he did though the late sack today killed the 49ers chances.... If he hangs around, I can't wait for him to be on MNF and see what Gruden who brutalized him when doing a Jags games has to say... I still feel that Gruden's bashing of him basically gave him the wimp rep he could never get rid of on the Jags.. Hiding on the 49ers the last year and a half seems to have done him some good... He still throws a great ball most of the time which we saw in Jax....
I will give you that. He is relatively new to the league. But, a "pattern" I'm seeing is that he keeps making the same mistakes over and over. As an example, I still think he's telegraphing his throws and he simply has to be better in the red zone. His pick numbers are way too high and it's NOT because he passes allot. Personally, I think it's his game between the ears is what he needs to work on most.
Some people missed the point. I'm not saying Bortles is trash or hopeless to fix. But it's to the point where while before I could make excuses and look past turnovers before, I can't anymore. He's second in the league in picks and it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up first
Quote:Or just don't throw a pick and we win. That one interception cost us 7 points. We lost by 6.
The blocked punt made this a wash. And one could argue that we wouldn't be as close as 6 points if it wasn't for Bortles. We aren't very good on defense and Blake needs to and will be better. He's 23 and has more to learn. He will break the passing TD record... And he hasn't even scratched the surface of his potential. Give him another year to refine his footwork, master the offense, strengthen the supporting cast. His interception today wasn't a horrible play, just a better play by a guy who gets paid to play ball too
Quote:Some people missed the point. I'm not saying Bortles is trash or hopeless to fix. But it's to the point where while before I could make excuses and look past turnovers before, I can't anymore. He's second in the league in picks and it wouldn't surprise me if he ends up first
Who cares?....he's 2nd in pass attempts.
Brunell 1996 at this point- 18 INT
Bortles 2015 at this point- 13 INT
Bortles is at 22 TD- 13 INT. He may finish 2:1 and an INT % below 3.0%. Bortles is at 3.1% now....Favre was at 3.3% FOR CAREER. Some people don't understand statistics and don't understand if you throw the ball 40 times, you will be intercepted once.
Quote:Who cares?....he's 2nd in pass attempts.
Brunell 1996 at this point- 18 INT
Bortles 2015 at this point- 13 INT
Bortles is at 22 TD- 13 INT. He may finish 2:1 and an INT % below 3.0%. Bortles is at 3.1% now....Favre was at 3.3% FOR CAREER. Some people don't understand statistics and don't understand if you throw the ball 40 times, you will be intercepted once.
It's not the picks in itself it's the fact that they literally come at the worst of times.
Quote:It's not the picks in itself it's the fact that they literally come at the worst of times.
This is literally the worst argument I have ever heard. Can you please tell us when the best time for interceptions is? I have never been watching a game, witnessed an interception and had someone lean over to me and say "at least that didn't happen at a bad time."
Quote:Don't forget Rogers was sitting on the bench for several years waiting for #4 to move on.. Brady either. The only elite QB good from the go was Big Ben. Peyton was really horrible his first year and slightly better his 2nd.. .
Look at Gabbert right now.. He looks like a competent NFL QB at the moment.. He seems to hang in there better than he did though the late sack today killed the 49ers chances.... If he hangs around, I can't wait for him to be on MNF and see what Gruden who brutalized him when doing a Jags games has to say... I still feel that Gruden's bashing of him basically gave him the wimp rep he could never get rid of on the Jags
.. Hiding on the 49ers the last year and a half seems to have done him some good... He still throws a great ball most of the time which we saw in Jax....
His self-sacking and dirt balls gave him that rep on the Jags not Gruden. Gruden may have been one of the last people to acknowledge that. I am surprised with Gabberts improvement on the 9er's tho. Maybe having a couple years as a backup has really made him better. Who knows, I say good for him, but he was horrible with us.
Quote:This is literally the worst argument I have ever heard. Can you please tell us when the best time for interceptions is? I have never been watching a game, witnessed an interception and had someone lean over to me and say "at least that didn't happen at a bad time."
I think the same thing when I read some of these comments. When is the right time?
Quote:Who cares?....he's 2nd in pass attempts.
Brunell 1996 at this point- 18 INT
Bortles 2015 at this point- 13 INT
Bortles is at 22 TD- 13 INT. He may finish 2:1 and an INT % below 3.0%. Bortles is at 3.1% now....Favre was at 3.3% FOR CAREER. Some people don't understand statistics and don't understand if you throw the ball 40 times, you will be intercepted once.
I agree with this. The throws beyond the line of scrimmage where rookie mistakes tho for sure. But you have to count on your QB throwing a decent amount of interceptions with as high a usage rate as Bortles currently has. Percentage wise Bortles is normal. A good team should have no troulbe overcoming 1 turnover when the O still scores 25 points. A bad team loses that matchup. We are a bad team. No one should have thought differently after the last couple of 'squeakers' we won.
I am pleasantly surprised we are 4-7 after the start we had. This team probably won't put anything together even close to what the 96 team did, but to be at the same record as them at this point is shocking considering 5 weeks ago we were 1-6. I don't believe its a true turnaround, but it is still impressive non the less. The Jags might actually hit the 7-9 a lot of people thought they would before the season. I believe my prediction was 5-11. I would be shocked if they don't beat that.
It's a testament to how well Caldwell has built this team that we have 4 wins.
It's an indictment on Bradley that we don't have 7 or more wins...
Quote:This is literally the worst argument I have ever heard. Can you please tell us when the best time for interceptions is? I have never been watching a game, witnessed an interception and had someone lean over to me and say "at least that didn't happen at a bad time."
I see your point. What I meant is this...if Bortles was throwing deep, giving his receiver a chance to make plays one on one that's one thing. It's basically a punt. But he's missing on the simplest of reads, and usually on our side of the field. Giving the opposition a short field to work with. Throw the ball away. Live another day
Quote:The mistakes are killers... happening at the worst possible times and results in blows that the Jags have had a hard time to recover from
Because why........we can't stop anyone.
Blake has been wayyyyyyy better this year than i Could have expected.
We get so stupid emotional.........
Blake RIGHT NOW has 2 more TDs this year than Mark Brunell ever threw for us in a year.
Quote:Because why........we can't stop anyone.
Blake has been wayyyyyyy better this year than i Could have expected.
We get so stupid emotional.........
Blake RIGHT NOW has 2 more TDs this year than Mark Brunell ever threw for us in a year.
Mark also played in an era when defense was still allowed to play so to speak.
Quote:I see your point. What I meant is this...if Bortles was throwing deep, giving his receiver a chance to make plays one on one that's one thing. It's basically a punt. But he's missing on the simplest of reads, and usually on our side of the field. Giving the opposition a short field to work with. Throw the ball away. Live another day
Maybe we should trade him for Matt Ryan. He'd never do that....or Aaron Rogers, or Luck.
Gimme a break. I Guess we should look to draft someone else to meet your standards of the perfect QB, as a 2nd year guy with a 22/13 line must by scrapped.
Quote:Mark also played in an era when defense was still allowed to play so to speak.
Pure BS.
Don't act like the NFL was a different game like the 70's-80's.