Quote:The turnovers are aggravating.
But I think some of them are the result of putting too much on a still young QBs shoulders.
Let's put this in additional perspective.
Most of us have a pretty high opinion of Mark Brunell's tenure as a Jacksonville Jaguars, correct?
Brunell's second year here-his 3rd in the league overall-he had 19 TDs and 20 INTs on a team featuring Boselli and Searcy at T, Smith McCardell, Rison, and Willie Jackson at receiver, and James Stewart and Natrone Means at RB with TC at coach, after learning under Mike Holmgren before he came here.
So even with talent surrounding him, even a good QB can have high interceptions.
It isn't a stretch to assume that Bortles doesn't have THAT level of surrounding talent, even if you called WR a wash between the 1996 team and today's team.
I think if we give Bortles a little better protection, a running game, and a little more time to mature, he'll be a very good QB.
Yep. Great point.
Peyton Manning didn't become an
efficient QB until around year 6.
1998 26/28
1999 26/15 (not bad)
2000 33/15 (good)
2001 26/23
2002 27/19
Quote:The turnovers are aggravating.
But I think some of them are the result of putting too much on a still young QBs shoulders.
Let's put this in additional perspective.
Most of us have a pretty high opinion of Mark Brunell's tenure as a Jacksonville Jaguars, correct?
Brunell's second year here-his 3rd in the league overall-he had 19 TDs and 20 INTs on a team featuring Boselli and Searcy at T, Smith McCardell, Rison, and Willie Jackson at receiver, and James Stewart and Natrone Means at RB with TC at coach, after learning under Mike Holmgren before he came here.
So even with talent surrounding him, even a good QB can have high interceptions.
It isn't a stretch to assume that Bortles doesn't have THAT level of surrounding talent, even if you called WR a wash between the 1996 team and today's team.
I think if we give Bortles a little better protection, a running game, and a little more time to mature, he'll be a very good QB.
Only quibble, Brunell played/sat 2 years in Green Bay, his second year in Jville was his 4th year overall. Just adds to the argument that more years are needed.
Quote:The turnovers are aggravating.
But I think some of them are the result of putting too much on a still young QBs shoulders.
Let's put this in additional perspective.
Most of us have a pretty high opinion of Mark Brunell's tenure as a Jacksonville Jaguars, correct?
Brunell's second year here-his 3rd in the league overall-he had 19 TDs and 20 INTs on a team featuring Boselli and Searcy at T, Smith McCardell, Rison, and Willie Jackson at receiver, and James Stewart and Natrone Means at RB with TC at coach, after learning under Mike Holmgren before he came here.
So even with talent surrounding him, even a good QB can have high interceptions.
It isn't a stretch to assume that Bortles doesn't have THAT level of surrounding talent, even if you called WR a wash between the 1996 team and today's team.
I think if we give Bortles a little better protection, a running game, and a little more time to mature, he'll be a very good QB.
I totally agree with that. As close as these games have been, if we improve the offensive line and defensive line, we could win 10 games without Bortles improving at all.
I can't read all the comments on here, but the ones bashing Bortles are way, way off. He is far and away one of the least problems on the team.
You can't compare QBs now to what it was back then. The game has evolved and the rules favor QBs now.
Compare him to Winston, Mariota, Carr, and Teddy
I think you missed his point
I really love the arguments about how Blake is gonna break our team records. That's like being valedictorian of trailer park high.
Quote:The D is playing the scheme they are told to. No one asked Bortles to throw to Teo's girlfriend.
Hahahahahaha. True statement.
Quote:I think you missed his point
We miss a lot of points around here, mostly on the field of play.
Quote:We miss a lot of points around here, mostly on the field of play.
Hahaha, i love this thread
Quote:You can't compare QBs now to what it was back then. The game has evolved and the rules favor QBs now.
Compare him to Winston, Mariota, Carr, and Teddy
Yes you can. There have been 8 times an NFL QB has thrown for 7 TD's in a single game. 5 of those (or nmore than half) came in the 1960's or earlier. The game hasn't changed as much as you think.
Oh, and
Stupid thread is stupid.
When a QB throws it 49 times they will usually throw a pick. I'd be interested to see the last time a QB threw that many times without a pick to be honest. Just looking at last week, 5 teams including the Jags threw 49 or more times and all threw at least 1 pick. 3 of the other 4 teams threw 3 or 4 picks. A better stat to judge Bortles by is INT% here is how he stacks up.
Tony Romo 5.79%
Peyton Manning 5.28%
Andrew Luck 4.10%
Ben Roethlisberger 3.38%
Ryan Fitzpatrick 3.06%
Sam Bradford 2.99%
Blake Bortles 2.99%
Matt Stafford 2.93%
Joe Flacco 2.91%
Jameis Winston 2.86%
Matt Ryan 2.76%
Cam Newton 2.71%
Marcus Mariota 2.70%
Ryan Tannehill 2.64%
Kirk Cousins 2.55%
Drew Brees 2.42%
Carson Palmer 2.38%
Bortles has more TDs than all but 1 QB on this list, Carson Palmer who is a leading MVP candidate. He is still in his second season and everyone knew he was going to need work coming out of college. I think he is coming along pretty nicely. You are asking too much if you want him to never make a mistake. Decent teams can bail out a QB when he makes a mistake but when Bortles turns it over one time the defense folds like a tent and everyone puts the blame on him for a touchdown allowed when good teams would have held them to a 40 yard FG attempt. The fact that the Jags haven't lost a game by double digits since 10 weeks ago against the best team in the NFL speaks volumes.
He's young and he plays like he's young.
Whatever.
Quote:Blaming Greg Olson now too who has turned the O around?
It was just a great play from the linebacker stop being so pathetic.
If you haven't figured it out by now, you have to blame the coaches when something goes wrong on the field until you're forced to blame the players. Never, ever give credit for a good defensive play, which the interception being discussed here absolutely was. It's always got to be blamed on someone in the Jags organization.
The INT was a bad read, bad throw, and a good play by a LB who seemingly was spying the QB....
I still get a good chuckle out of the Bortles haters...
At least the Gus Busters have legit concerns over his ABILITY.
The anti-Bortles crowd seems to be butt hurt Teddy leg humpers
and possibly leftover 15-teamers....
Quote:He's young and he plays like he's young.
Whatever.
He put the ball up more than 40 times on Sunday. Interceptions are bound to happen when you're not only throwing the ball, but trying to get it beyond the dink and dunk type passes people complained about for years here. His interceptions are a byproduct of a young player who is being asked to basically carry an offense that's struggling to create a running game, and is suspect in protecting the QB.
People want to throw up their hands and give up on a QB who is on pace to set or come close to franchise records for attempts, yards, and touchdowns. This is why the Jaguars fan base is laughed at. Outside of Jacksonville, others see the progression, and recognize that his mistakes are about much more than his own skill set.
The guy who is the all time leader in interceptions in the league is Brett Favre, and he holds that distinguish by a wide margin over #2. He's also #2 in league history for TD passes. Favre was a guy who was more or less a gambler, and more often than not it paid off. I'll take that from Bortles.
Since when is it a fan's job to defend a professional? These young men are in charge of their performance, that's their business not mine.
Quote:I think the same thing when I read some of these comments. When is the right time?
Right time? Its hard to say, if it even exists. For me, the problem isn't the time (though admittedly the timing of the one vs. Chargers was bad), its the situations. In the redzone vs. Titans, we have a chance to score points, and he stares down Julius, he's not open, and still throws the ball and gets picked. Bad INT. Against Carolina, pre-determines the play before snap, pick 6.
I don't mind an aggressive INT. Like you see Robinson downfield, he's one-on-one, and you throw him the ball and the defense wins. I'm OK with that. Most of his INTs, going back to last season, have not been of that type though...
Its staring receivers down and throwing them despite not being open, pre-determining plays and throwing despite not being open, its extending plays and throwing across his body to the opposite side of the field.
These are all mental mistakes.
And while every QB makes them, he makes them every...single...game. Some repeated from similar situations previously. That's the biggest problem. I mean, he describes his forward passes as "dumb" and "stupid". Yet, every week we hear him talk about his "dumb" and "stupid" interceptions...yet they keep happening.
The problem that some have is...we don't see this changing. I think there's a real concern that this is how Bortles is "wired". That when the lights are on, his instinct is to make a play. Similar to his hero Favre...except he doesn't have Favre's arm.