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Quote:When I look at the text, I take it as the literal meaning of what the professor wrote when creating the syllabus.

I think I should clarify my position here a bit. A professor has every right to control what is said and done in their classroom, and when it comes down to it, the concepts of political correctness and freedom of speech really are completely intertwined. That said, this particular professor is being a nutjob about it, to the point where their syllabus is probably going to be more of a distraction than someone referring off the cuff to Caitlyn Jenner as "he" ever would.

Quote:I think I should clarify my position here a bit. A professor has every right to control what is said and done in their classroom, and when it comes down to it, the concepts of political correctness and freedom of speech really are completely intertwined. That said, this particular professor is being a nutjob about it, to the point where their syllabus is probably going to be more of a distraction than someone referring off the cuff to Caitlyn Jenner as "he" ever would.

 

Ding ding ding!  That's the point.  I've been discussing with boudreaumw about one small part of the syllabus.

 

Here is the thing that gets me though.  I thought that institutions of higher learning were supposed to be about expressing ideas and expressing one's self.  When you try to censor what students can say, you censor their thoughts.  When students are only allowed to use certain language either when they are speaking or in papers that they might write, then you are going into the direction of "indoctrination" rather than "teaching".

Quote:LOL, my liberal friend, I really like you.

 

I'm not "outraged" by any means, but very much surprised at how PC is taking over in this country.

 

Let me see if I can break it down into simple terms (if it doesn't offend you).

 

Is it appropriate or not to refer to women as females?  Simple yes/no question.

 

Is it appropriate or not to refer to men as males?  Again, it's a simple yes/no question.

 

It's been pointed out and brought up regarding my avatar in this forum.  Spock is all about logic, not emotion.  When words are passed out by a college professor or otherwise, should those words be taken "literally" or should they be subject to "interpretation"?  Where does the line get drawn?  I've linked to the syllabus twice and quoted text from it.  When I asked about a portion of it, which is literal text, the argument that I get from you is how you "interpret" the text and what you "think" the text actually meant to say.

 

I'm a "logic" kind of thinking person.  I deal with computers a lot, and it's all logic.  Either 1 or 0, true or false, etc.

 

When I look at the text, I take it as the literal meaning of what the professor wrote when creating the syllabus.

Yes

 

Yes

 

And your logic does not include the possibility of the meaning of the words given the context? Given the surround text it jumps out to me that the professor mean the use in a derogatory way given that exact qualifier at the start of the paragraph? Nah it's much more logical that he just has a persona vendetta against using the terms for the two sexes. Email the prof. I bet I am right. 

Quote:Ding ding ding!  That's the point.  I've been discussing with boudreaumw about one small part of the syllabus.

 

Here is the thing that gets me though.  I thought that institutions of higher learning were supposed to be about expressing ideas and expressing one's self.  When you try to censor what students can say, you censor their thoughts.  When students are only allowed to use certain language either when they are speaking or in papers that they might write, then you are going into the direction of "indoctrination" rather than "teaching".

You take offense by his syllabus. HIS syllabus. Not yours. Is it over the top? Maybe but that's purely an individuals opinion. Discussing what he/she finds intolerable in class is not really relevant nor productive other than to hammer home the general disdain for higher education. Now if some police or political body does the same thing, then we can have a conversation as that would actually be effecting someone's rights. 

 

 

Yes it's a terrible thing, that "indoctrination" of societal tolerance and the consideration of other people's feelings. What's this world coming too.... /s

Quote:You take offense by his syllabus. HIS syllabus. Not yours. Is it over the top? Maybe but that's purely an individuals opinion. Discussing what he/she finds intolerable in class is not really relevant nor productive other than to hammer home the general disdain for higher education. Now if some police or political body does the same thing, then we can have a conversation as that would actually be effecting someone's rights. 

 

 

Yes it's a terrible thing, that "indoctrination" of societal tolerance and the consideration of other people's feelings. What's this world coming too.... /s

 

I never said that I "take offense" to anything.  After all, I'm not liberal.  

Quote:Here is the thing that gets me though.  I thought that institutions of higher learning were supposed to be about expressing ideas and expressing one's self.  When you try to censor what students can say, you censor their thoughts.  When students are only allowed to use certain language either when they are speaking or in papers that they might write, then you are going into the direction of "indoctrination" rather than "teaching".

We agree that this professor is nuts.

 

That aside, I don't see how a professor saying that students cannot use inflammatory language in class is "indoctrination". Sure, there's probably some intent on the professor's part to ensure that students learn in and are held to a professional manner, but it's at least as much about maintaining productivity and order. Class wouldn't progress very quickly if the professor kept having to break up arguments between the wannabe Donald Trumps and Megyn Kellys of the world.

Quote:I never said that I "take offense" to anything.  After all, I'm not liberal.  

So what exactly is your problem in this thread? 

When did this country get so afraid of words and their meanings that they won't even defend what they feel is right?

Quote:When did this country get so afraid of words and their meanings that they won't even defend what they feel is right?

Please elaborate. What do you feel is right here?

Quote:Are you capable of having a grown-up conversation? You know, without slinging insults at anyone who disagrees with you? I mean, seriously, is this how you are in real life? I think the signs were in extremely poor taste and insinuated rape, and I think that the university president was right to order them down, and the frat being suspended was a reasonable action. You and I aren't too far apart there.

 

Where we are far apart is that I seem to be capable of having a debate without insulting the intelligence and maturity of those who disagree. I find it strangely ironic that you accuse others of having a high school or eighth grade mentality, and you're the one who consistently comes blundering into threads with all the tact and wisdom of an angry-at-the-world teenager.

 

When did you become the Church Lady?

 

Have you read flsprtsgod's posts? I respond in kind. He likes to be a smart [BAD WORD REMOVED] and act as if he's so far above those he responds to. I'm not going to bow to that kind of crap. Perhaps you think you should. Your choice.

 

And who are you to be so holier than thou? Your posts regarding the Colorado theatre shootings show you to be filled with blood lust and a tremendous desire for revenge. And I'm insulting? 

 

I think you may be hiding behind a facade of "I'm being the cool guy here - too bad everyone else is not on my level." You need to step back and look at what's in your writing and those around you.

Quote:When did you become the Church Lady?

 

Have you read flsprtsgod's posts? I respond in kind. He likes to be a smart [BAD WORD REMOVED] and act as if he's so far above those he responds to. I'm not going to bow to that kind of crap. Perhaps you think you should. Your choice.

 

And who are you to be so holier than thou? Your posts regarding the Colorado theatre shootings show you to be filled with blood lust and a tremendous desire for revenge. And I'm insulting? 

 

I think you may be hiding behind a facade of "I'm being the cool guy here - too bad everyone else is not on my level." You need to step back and look at what's in your writing and those around you.

 

Someone needs a cookie.

Quote:Someone needs a cookie.

 

lol. Are you allowed to respond? I thought TJ has been appointed your legal guardian.

Quote:lol. Are you allowed to respond? I thought TJ has been appointed your legal guardian.

 

I'm allowed so long as I don't say anything bad about the holy classes else I might get yelled at by the high priests of PC.

Quote:I'm allowed so long as I don't say anything bad about the holy classes else I might get yelled at by the high priests of PC.

I thought I told you you were grounded. Get back in your room this instant!

This thread is getting good, finally.

Quote:I thought I told you you were grounded. Get back in your room this instant!

 

Quote:This thread is getting good, finally.

 

Quote:Ding ding ding!  That's the point.  I've been discussing with boudreaumw about one small part of the syllabus.

 

Here is the thing that gets me though.  I thought that institutions of higher learning were supposed to be about expressing ideas and expressing one's self.  When you try to censor what students can say, you censor their thoughts.  When students are only allowed to use certain language either when they are speaking or in papers that they might write, then you are going into the direction of "indoctrination" rather than "teaching".

My take as well.  Way back in ancient times when I started college (1982), open and free expression of thoughts and ideas were encouraged.  Judging by the syllabus you posted this professor is not interested in teaching his or her students (would I get booted from class for that?) how to think, but rather to teach them what to think.  

Quote:My take as well.  Way back in ancient times when I started college (1982), open and free expression of thoughts and ideas were encouraged.  Judging by the syllabus you posted this professor is not interested in teaching his or her students (would I get booted from class for that?) how to think, but rather to teach them what to think.

 

Thus the problem with PC, especially in schools.

Here is another one that is rather amusing.

 

Students at a California school (go figure) were sent home for refusing to remove or turn inside out T-shirts displaying the U.S. flag on May 5th (Cinco de Mayo).

 

This is the most hilarious part of the article.

Quote: 

"They said we could wear it on any other day, but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it."

 

The funny part about it is.

 

1.  Mexicans don't really celebrate the holiday.

 

2.  "Mexican-Americans" don't celebrate the holiday either.  I know first hand.

 

However, the date is supposedly "sensitive to Mexican-Americans".