Quote:The text of the First Amendment is as follows:
Congress, or the government in general, is not part of this. The university has the same right as any other business or institution to enforce its standards and code of conduct.
It is weird how many people act as if free speech gives people the right to say whatever they want with no repercussions.
Quote:It is weird how many people act as if free speech gives people the right to say whatever they want with no repercussions.
And it's even weirder how educated people don't understand (or pretend to not understand) that the repercussions are a natural result of "free speech".
Quote:I am "outraged and offended" because this implies rape!
EDIT: *quoted picture removed because First Amendment* 
Check the links to the cases cited in my post on this topic earlier today. I think you'll see why the frat's sign is clearly not covered under the First Amendment, whereas this one has at least a tenuous hold to it.
Quote:Check the links to the cases cited in my post on this topic earlier today. I think you'll see why the frat's sign is clearly not covered under the First Amendment, whereas this one has at least a tenuous hold to it.
I do think that this illustrates a double standard. Fraternity boys can't make a joke that has sexual connotations, but sorority girls certainly can.
Quote:Xir, please stop oppressing me. Respect the pronouns.
You didn't ask me which pronoun to use when addressing me. I'm offended. :teehee:
Quote:I do think that this illustrates a double standard. Fraternity boys can't make a joke that has sexual connotations, but sorority girls certainly can.
I am still confused as to what exactly are upset about.
Quote:I am still confused as to what exactly are upset about.
I'm confused by your question.
Quote:I do think that this illustrates a double standard. Fraternity boys can't make a joke that has sexual connotations, but sorority girls certainly can.
Perhaps, but I think
Weirum and
Richards pretty clearly illustrate that there's a line between saying something for laughs and saying something that can be considered threatening or inciting criminal activity. It is possible for a woman to rape a man, but the frat signs seem to clearly cross the line established by those two cases whereas the sorority's sign does not.
Quote: I'm confused by your question.
The whole thing. You claim people are tramping on free speech. They are not since the group that did take action has every single right to take action. You are either upset about that or upset about the University making a statement about which is also free speech.
In addition more light can be shed on this by looking at the link TJBender's posted on page 6. Great info in all three links.
Quote:Perhaps, but I think Weirum and Richards pretty clearly illustrate that there's a line between saying something for laughs and saying something that can be considered threatening or inciting criminal activity. It is possible for a woman to rape a man, but the frat signs seem to clearly cross the line established by those two cases whereas the sorority's sign does not.
Is it possible that both are meant to be "college humor" and neither one harms anyone?
Quote:The whole thing. You claim people are tramping on free speech. They are not since the group that did take action has every single right to take action. You are either upset about that or upset about the University making a statement about which is also free speech.
In addition more light can be shed on this by looking at the link TJBender's posted on page 6. Great info in all three links.
I'm not upset about anything other than the fact that college campuses are doing their best to shut down any expression that is not "PC". Are you saying that the banner displayed by the sorority is "PC" and the the banner(s) displayed by the fraternity are not?
Quote:Is it possible that both are meant to be "college humor" and neither one harms anyone?
The difference is there is a real, documented problem with men sexually assaulting and harassing women on college campuses, and college administrators are rightfully sensitive to public displays that objectify and degrade women.
Quote:The difference is there is a real, documented problem with men sexually assaulting and harassing women on college campuses, and college administrators are rightfully sensitive to public displays that objectify and degrade women.
Regardless of what offensive signs are put up on a frat house, college campuses can be extremely dangerous places full of rape and theft. Maybe they should just shut down fraternities or sororities and lock down the campus if crime is such a problem? Seems like a much more efficient solution than suspending a group because they wrote a few offensive words.
Quote:The difference is there is a real, documented problem with men sexually assaulting and harassing women on college campuses, and college administrators are rightfully sensitive to public displays that objectify and degrade women.
So where should we draw the line? Why punish the fraternity and not punish the sorority? Was the sorority display not "objectifying and degrading women"?
Quote:Regardless of what offensive signs are put up on a frat house, college campuses can be extremely dangerous places full of rape and theft. Maybe they should just shut down fraternities or sororities and lock down the campus if crime is such a problem? Seems like a much more efficient solution than suspending a group because they wrote a few offensive words.
Efficiency isn't the issue. They address what is reasonable, I doubt suspending one group of students or a fraternity house overtaxes a college administration.
Quote:So where should we draw the line? Why punish the fraternity and not punish the sorority? Was the sorority display not "objectifying and degrading women"?
Did the fraternity members degrade themselves?
Quote:Did the fraternity members degrade themselves?
No, not really. But you did specifically say that the university is "sensitive to public displays that objectify and degrade women". How is that determination made? Did the sorority girls violate that?
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