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Quote:And Henne doing his best imitation of Gabbert and staring at the rush waiting for the sack.

 

 

Its funny cause its true.

Quote:And Henne doing his best imitation of Gabbert and staring at the rush waiting for the sack.

 

The only thing I'm not sure about is if he's actually looking at the rush, or just staring down his first read, because he does that every time.  Either way, he isn't finding the open man and getting rid of it.

Quote:Gerhart isn't a bruiser. Its a myth. 

 

So far this season, a lot of things have been a myth.

Quote:Fisch is the main reason.

 

This season again, playcalling is terrible.

Running a power back to the outside is just stupid.

We have a couple of fast WR's (amazing route by Hurns when he drops the ball) but we still throw short passes.

the blocking scheme we're currently trying to use isn't helping Gerhart any either. It's only been two games but it's really looking bad. Even with a good line, Gerhart is too slow to be trying those runs outside. I don't understand why they aren't using DRob more in these situations. I would make Toby be (essentially) a fullback and have DRob as the tailback. Toby is supposed to be a fairly decent blocker, and they can both catch passes. I keep waiting for Jedd to call me for my suggestions but the phone never rings.... sad.

Quote:There is a question that has been nagging at me since this debate about apportionment of blame began. It was kind of touched on earlier, but not directly.


The argument has been made that the offensive line was not responsible for all of the sacks, and that Henne bears responsibility for a lot of them because he had time to get rid of the ball.


I do not challenge that proposition, but I wonder, on those passes where he had time to get rid of the ball to avoid a sack, did he have time to make a successful play?


If you take Lageman's analysis at face value and assign four of the ten sacks to Henne holding onto the ball, had he done so, would he have been getting rid of the ball just to avoid a sack? If all four of those plays turned out to be mere incompletions, would the analysis for Henne be any better? Would it matter that he was pressured into incompletions?


Now if he actually had time and open receivers on each of those plays and took the sacks, then to me that elevates his blameworthiness.


If not, I think it mitigates his blame to a certain degree.

I would think so. To the educated football fan , a good play isn't a 30 yard play down the field every time but just making sure you don't take negative yards. Even if it was 4 and 10 instead of 4 and 20 that's ten extra yards to help flip the field.


My concern isn't so much that he's taking sacks but the fact he isn't doing the simple things he is supposed to do such as make audible correctly, adjust the protection, gunshot reads etc.


I mentioned how different he looks between the preseason and now. He has less bounce in his stance, he's not looking of defenders or anything he was doing in the preseason. How is it possible for his play to regress like that? I understand it's not the preseason and Im not speaking on the production but he's not doing the same things he was right now.

Quote:I would think so. To the educated football fan , a good play isn't a 30 yard play down the field every time but just making sure you don't take negative yards. Even if it was 4 and 10 instead of 4 and 20 that's ten extra yards to help flip the field.


My concern isn't so much that he's taking sacks but the fact he isn't doing the simple things he is supposed to do such as make audible correctly, adjust the protection, gunshot reads etc.



I mentioned how different he looks between the preseason and now. He has less bounce in his stance, he's not looking of defenders or anything he was doing in the preseason. How is it possible for his play to regress like that? I understand it's not the preseason and Im not speaking on the production but he's not doing the same things he was right now.

 

I don't claim to know whether he is or he isn't just by watching on the TV, but the coaches say he's doing just these things very reliably.  His faults are that he is not athletic so he can't always escape pressure very quickly and there are some throws he simply can't make.  Sometimes his accuracy isn't always what it needs to be. But from a metal aspect everything I hear and read from people in a position to know, indicate he has this part of the game down pretty well.

Quote:I don't claim to know whether he is or he isn't just by watching on the TV, but the coaches say he's doing just these things very reliably.  His faults are that he is not athletic so he can't always escape pressure very quickly and there are some throws he simply can't make.  Sometimes his accuracy isn't always what it needs to be. But from a metal aspect everything I hear and read from people in a position to know, indicate he has this part of the game down pretty well.

 

Didn't we hear the same things about BG from these same coaches?

Quote:Didn't we hear the same things about BG from these same coaches?

Not really.  Those same coaches were willing to give Gabbert a chance to prove himself as being an NFL QB.  They recognized that wasn't going to happen, he was benched, and now he's backing up in SF. 

Quote:Didn't we hear the same things about BG from these same coaches?

 

Not that I recall, no.

Quote:Not really.  Those same coaches were willing to give Gabbert a chance to prove himself as being an NFL QB.  They recognized that wasn't going to happen, he was benched, and now he's backing up in SF. 

 

I don't know about that.  It seems pretty similar to me. 

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/974947...g-progress

 

Gus was fully supportive, until he wasn't.  I think that's just Gus.  I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that; I don't expect him to come out and rip the guy.  But I do see similarities in the responses to what are obviously poor showings.

Quote:I don't know about that.  It seems pretty similar to me. 

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/974947...g-progress

 

Gus was fully supportive, until he wasn't.  I think that's just Gus.  I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that; I don't expect him to come out and rip the guy.  But I do see similarities in the responses to what are obviously poor showings.

 

He was supportive sure and I think they really liked Gabbert's athleticism but it was the mental aspect of the game and the physical toughness areas he struggled with and if you really hear what Gus is saying, he's saying that Gabbert was improving but wasn't there yet.

 

"Bradley said he saw progress from Gabbert in the areas the coaches had stressed with him last week. He played looser, he took a few shots down the field and he scrambled out of the pocket to try to make plays. Those things didn't always work, but Bradley was encouraged by what he saw."

Actually I always thought, if you could combine Gabbert's athleticism with Henne's toughness and general understanding of the game, you'd have a pretty good QB. 

Quote:Actually I always thought, if you could combine Gabbert's athleticism with Henne's toughness and general understanding of the game, you'd have a pretty good QB. 

 

No, no, just NO

Quote:I don't know about that.  It seems pretty similar to me. 

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/974947...g-progress

 

Gus was fully supportive, until he wasn't.  I think that's just Gus.  I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that; I don't expect him to come out and rip the guy.  But I do see similarities in the responses to what are obviously poor showings.

 

Yeah, that's how I remember it too.

 

Wow, the clots killed us 37-3 last year, at home no less.

 

Surely Henne can have a better showing than that one.

 

Gabs was 17 of 32 for 179 yds and 3 INTs.

 

Come on Henne, you can do much better than that.

Quote:Actually I always thought, if you could combine Gabbert's athleticism with Henne's toughness and general understanding of the game, you'd have a pretty good QB.

But Henne hasnt shown that he understands the game. At all.

Quote:I don't claim to know whether he is or he isn't just by watching on the TV, but the coaches say he's doing just these things very reliably. His faults are that he is not athletic so he can't always escape pressure very quickly and there are some throws he simply can't make. Sometimes his accuracy isn't always what it needs to be. But from a metal aspect everything I hear and read from people in a position to know, indicate he has this part of the game down pretty well.

Okay but don't just highlight that one portion. What about his standing in the pocket and movement. It was there in the preseason and now it isn't. That is something that is not deniable. He looks like a different guy out there compared to the preseason.


Like I said not comparing stats but just the way he looks. No safety look offs or nothing. These are things we as a fan can see.

Quote:But Henne hasnt shown that he understands the game. At all.

Wrong.

Quote:Okay but don't just highlight that one portion. What about his standing in the pocket and movement. It was there in the preseason and now it isn't. That is something that is not deniable. He looks like a different guy out there compared to the preseason.


Like I said not comparing stats but just the way he looks. No safety look offs or nothing. These are things we as a fan can see.

This is something you *can* see as a fan. Watch his head move as he goes through progressions. Watch him change protection at the line of scrimmage. Don't you guys even bother watching the games???

Quote:how long do you people expect Henne to be back there?? lol

 



 

You aren't even comparing the same things. Those numbers are time to sack, which would be the column to the right of the one you highlighted, the one with all the 3s and 4s.

Quote:You aren't even comparing the same things. Those numbers are time to sack, which would be the column to the right of the one you highlighted, the one with all the 3s and 4s.

the quicker you get rid of the ball and the more often you throw a ball away in a bad play, the much higher that "to sack" time is going to be.