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Design plays to get the ball out of Henne's hands as quickly as possible and I am not talking about handing it off.

 

Either a right side quick slant or a left side quick slant depending on where the opponent is lining up.

 

Slants covered, throw quick out patterns, either left or right side, whichever is Henne's strength side.

 

Just design a few different plays to get the ball out of Henne's hands in about 2 1/2 seconds.

 

Is this really that hard?? Apparently is has been so far.

 

The defense is ALWAYS giving up something, it's up to the offensive coaches to find out what it is and exploit it.

 

Why is this so hard?

Quote:This is something you *can* see as a fan. Watch his head move as he goes through progressions. Watch him change protection at the line of scrimmage. Don't you guys even bother watching the games???

Really? The sarcasm. I'll give you calling audibles and protection calls but you can't see when he looks off a safety? You mean to tell me that is something you can't see? Gotcha

Quote:Really? The sarcasm. I'll give you calling audibles and protection calls but you can't see when he looks off a safety? You mean to tell me that is something you can't see? Gotcha

 

No, I just said this is something you can see.  Here I'll quote myself.

 

Quote:This is something you *can* see as a fan.

Quote:No, I just said this is something you can see. Here I'll quote myself.

My mistake. I'm not in the camp of playing Blake at all cost but I was under the impression that we started Henne to keep stuff like what happened yesterday from happening. That was just as bad as anything that could possibly happen. Rookie qb or not. If the team looks that bad with a seven year veteran then I just don't understand why the rookie won't just play. Are we just gonna get held to 3 points instead of 10.

Quote:No, I just said this is something you can see.  Here I'll quote myself.

I see Henne lock onto his first read and stay there with alarming frequency. If that guy is open, he'll throw in that direction, and the play is potentially a success (if on target, not dropped, etc). If that guy is not immediately open, we either get a forced throw into ill-advised coverage, or he'll wait until a sack arrives. I just don't see progressions in his game.

Quote:My mistake. I'm not in the camp of playing Blake at all cost but I was under the impression that we started Henne to keep stuff like what happened yesterday from happening. That was just as bad as anything that could possibly happen. Rookie qb or not. If the team looks that bad with a seven year veteran then I just don't understand why the rookie won't just play. Are we just gonna get held to 3 points instead of 10.

 

I'm becoming more convinced than ever that we'll see Bortles sooner rather than later.  When the coaches feel it's time to make that move, I'll be as glad to see Henne return to a backup role as anyone else.  My takes are more along the lines of believing he's actually being reasonably competent (if average) when some folks around here keep insisting he is not even qualified to play in the CFL.

Quote:I see Henne lock onto his first read and stay there with alarming frequency. If that guy is open, he'll throw in that direction, and the play is potentially a success (if on target, not dropped, etc). If that guy is not immediately open, we either get a forced throw into ill-advised coverage, or he'll wait until a sack arrives. I just don't see progressions in his game.

 

Re-watch the WAS game.  Seriously.  I have it DVR'd so I have (although I FF through the parts where WAS has the ball) some parts in slow motion.  You'll see him time and again spinning his head going through his possessions.  He called audibles a few times too although I wasn't specifically looking at those instances.  He changed coverages a number of times.  He did what he was supposed to.  I have never seen a QB get that kind of rush heat in recent memory.

 

EDIT TO ADD: That doesn't mean he didn't make any mistakes.  I think he probably could have avoided at least two of the sacks and he had two very bad throws, one to the feet of an open receiver on a 3rd down play and there is another one I remember that was almost picked and of course the actual pick, but overall I would agree with Bradley that he was probably one of the very few guys on the team that *didn't* stink.

Quote:I'm becoming more convinced than ever that we'll see Bortles sooner rather than later. When the coaches feel it's time to make that move, I'll be as glad to see Henne return to a backup role as anyone else. My takes are more along the lines of believing he's actually being reasonably competent (if average) when some folks around here keep insisting he is not even qualified to play in the CFL.

I don't think he's CFL quatlity but still, this guy is something else. I should have known better to think he would take a step forward. I was one of those fools who thought he could throw for 3800 and 24 tds this year lol. Very average numbers for today's game.

Quote:Re-watch the WAS game.  Seriously.  I have it DVR'd so I have (although I FF through the parts where WAS has the ball) some parts in slow motion.  You'll see him time and again spinning his head going through his possessions.  He called audibles a few times too although I wasn't specifically looking at those instances.  He changed coverages a number of times.  He did what he was supposed to.  I have never seen a QB get that kind of rush heat in recent memory.

 

While I agree with this - he definitely could have called a quick pass or screen a few more times when they were stacking 8 in the box with a run play called.  They tried to run in too many of those situations. 

 

He rarely had time to look off a safety,  and he made some progressions but he did also stare his first guy down a few times. That's what I took away from rewatching it anyway.  There was plenty he could have done better -  but the line made it really, really difficult.  The receivers didn't help either based on Bradley saying he counted 20 mental errors on their part and the drops we all saw. 

Quote:I don't think he's CFL quatlity but still, this guy is something else. I should have known better to think he would take a step forward. I was one of those fools who thought he could throw for 3800 and 24 tds this year lol. Very average numbers for today's game.

 

Well don't get to upset, although I know there's guys on here who HATE when you extrapolate, he's actually pretty close to being on track for those numbers. 

Quote:Design plays to get the ball out of Henne's hands as quickly as possible and I am not talking about handing it off.

 

Just design a few different plays to get the ball out of Henne's hands in about 2 1/2 seconds.

 

 

 

The problem is that Henne just isn't very good at getting rid of the ball quickly.  He hesitates and by then it's too late.  He seriously reminded me of Gabbert last week.

 

This article has some good information in it.  It's clearly not all on Henne but a QB that could get the ball out quicker would help a lot.

 

http://firststopfantasy.com/nfl-teams/ja...from-here/

 

A brief part of the article:

 

A large portion of the OL issue comes with the quarterback play from Chad Henne. Henne’s average time to sack is 3.22 (close to average in the NFL). When he gets the ball out under 2.55 seconds, he’s completed 52% of his passes (Last in the NFL) while being sacked 3 times while throwing the 3rd most passes (53 dropbacks). After 2.55 seconds, Henne has completed 57.1%, while being sacked 10 times in 33 dropbacks.

 

Again it's not all Chad's fault but being the starting QB he faces a lot of criticism and he's struggled with getting the ball out quickly.  I don't know if he can't make the read or what but it's been bad.  Another reason why I think Blake would fare better, he showed the ability to do these things every time that he's stepped on the field thus far.

Quote:The problem is that Henne just isn't very good at getting rid of the ball quickly.  He hesitates and by then it's too late.  He seriously reminded me of Gabbert last week.

 

This article has some good information in it.  It's clearly not all on Henne but a QB that could get the ball out quicker would help a lot.

 

http://firststopfantasy.com/nfl-teams/ja...from-here/

 

A brief part of the article:

 

A large portion of the OL issue comes with the quarterback play from Chad Henne. Henne’s average time to sack is 3.22 (close to average in the NFL). When he gets the ball out under 2.55 seconds, he’s completed 52% of his passes (Last in the NFL) while being sacked 3 times while throwing the 3rd most passes (53 dropbacks). After 2.55 seconds, Henne has completed 57.1%, while being sacked 10 times in 33 dropbacks.

 

Again it's not all Chad's fault but being the starting QB he faces a lot of criticism and he's struggled with getting the ball out quickly.  I don't know if he can't make the read or what but it's been bad.  Another reason why I think Blake would fare better, he showed the ability to do these things every time that he's stepped on the field thus far.

 

If Henne isn't very good at getting rid of the ball quicker then we have a bigger problem then we should have.

 

Henne getting rid of the ball quicker should be a big focus point of practices going forward. It really should have already been focused on really.

 

Design plays to make that happen and practice them over and over and over and over, until Henne and the rookie WRs have them down.

 

Of course you need to have several of them so the defense doesn't know what's coming.

 

Then run them as much as you can in the game, at least until the defense backs off some.

 

Of course you will need to mix in deep and intermediate passes along the way, just don't try it when a blitz is coming.

 

Make sure Henne knows that he CANNOT hesitate and that he must make the quick throw, and make sure the WR understands that it's coming to him and quickly.

 

If Henne is incapable of making those quick positive yards throws, then look down your bench and see if there might be a QB there who might be able to make those quick throws.

Quote:If Henne isn't very good at getting rid of the ball quicker then we have a bigger problem then we should have.

 

Henne getting rid of the ball quicker should be a big focus point of practices going forward. It really should have already been focused on really.

 

Design plays to make that happen and practice them over and over and over and over, until Henne and the rookie WRs have them down.

 

Of course you need to have several of them so the defense doesn't know what's coming.

 

Then run them as much as you can in the game, at least until the defense backs off some.

 

Of course you will need to mix in deep and intermediate passes along the way, just don't try it when a blitz is coming.

 

Make sure Henne knows that he CANNOT hesitate and that he must make the quick throw, and make sure the WR understands that it's coming to him and quickly.

 

If Henne is incapable of making those quick positive yards throws, then look down your bench and see if there might be a QB there who might be able to make those quick throws.

You do understand the danger of the approach of getting all his passes off quickly in slants/quick outs, etc...don't you?


Defenses will play tight and not respect anything long or intermediate... And you will have situations like this past Sunday when even a quick screen/hitch can get picked and taken to the house (I know that did not actually happen, but it nearly did).


Shorter drops and quicker passes help only a little.

Quote:You do understand the danger of the approach of getting all his passes off quickly in slants/quick outs, etc...don't you?


Defenses will play tight and not respect anything long or intermediate... And you will have situations like this past Sunday when even a quick screen/hitch can get picked and taken to the house (I know that did not actually happen, but it nearly did).


Shorter drops and quicker passes help only a little.

I agree and we've already seen it these first two weeks and have not been able to exploit it other than a handful of times. Not nearly enough times to make the defense back off and open things up for us by any means. That should change the is week with the Colts D but I'm not getting my hopes up uh n less we see a QB change.

Quote:You do understand the danger of the approach of getting all his passes off quickly in slants/quick outs, etc...don't you?


Defenses will play tight and not respect anything long or intermediate... And you will have situations like this past Sunday when even a quick screen/hitch can get picked and taken to the house (I know that did not actually happen, but it nearly did).


Shorter drops and quicker passes help only a little.

 

Yes I do, that's why I said you have to mix in some intermediate and long passes and toss in some screens too.

 

You can't just have all quick slant passes or short passes.

 

I did notice in the preseason they had Henne getting the ball out of his hands on quick passes and several of them actually worked.

 

Now that it's the regular season, they are either not trying them or they are not working.

 

I know that the defense is giving something up and it's up to the coaches to find out what it is.

 

There is just no way an NFL team should look as inept as the Jaguars have for the past 6 1/2 quarters, NO WAY, esp with a 7 yr vet, even if his name is Henne, I don't care how young they are.

 

One of the biggest problems facing the Jags is that Henne appears  limited in the throws he can actually make and that's a big problem.

 

Every NFL QB can complete a pass to a WR wide open, but to be a successful QB he needs to be able to throw a timing patten and an out pattern, esp one that can get the team a first down.

 

The QB needs to be able to throw the ball before the WR breaks or even gets to the spot where the ball should be. In other words, throw the ball to a spot BEFORE the WR is open.

 

Henne is just incapable of throwing a timing pattern, he's just too inaccurate, even though it would get the ball out of his hands quicker.

 

Not being able to make those types of throws just limits what the Jags can do with Henne in as QB.

 

Maybe some of it is the receivers being young, but as a 7yr vet, Henne should at least be able to do some of these things.

Quote:Henne is just incapable of throwing a timing pattern

 

 

 

 

On Hurns' first TD in Philly, Henne threw the ball before Hurns made his cut.  

Quote:On Hurns' first TD in Philly, Henne threw the ball before Hurns made his cut.  

which was behind Hurns

Quote:On Hurns' first TD in Philly, Henne threw the ball before Hurns made his cut.  

 

That was more a deep pattern (and he had 2 to Hurns), but I'll give Henne that one, but I am more talking about a timing pattern to the sideline to give the team a big first down and move the chains.

 

A good timing pattern is indefensible. I see other QBs throw them all the time.

 

Can Henne throw a sideline timing pattern? Throw the ball BEFORE the WR gets to the sideline spot. I can't really recall seeing one. I not talking about screens either.

Quote:which was behind Hurns

 

Yeah, Hurns had to adjust to both of those long TD passes, but long (or short for that matter) passes aren't always going to perfect.

 

If it's close enough, the WR has to make sure he either catches it or fights for it.

 

As inaccurate as Henne can be at times, it was a great pass for Henne.

 

I want to see a lot more like that.

Quote:which was behind Hurns

Not the point.  It was a touchdown -- on a timing route.