Quote:There's the FBT I know, couldn't resist an insult. I'm not sure how anyone can objectively look at this screenshot and come to the conclusion of the receiver not being open, it's obvious. Now I'm not a person that cherry picks a couple of would've/could've's from a 60 minute football game, there are a lot of mitigating factors, but this one is pretty obvious.
I don't know. Maybe because I just watched the play again in full, and didn't rely on one snapshot in time? Yeah, that's just crazy to actually put this screen cap in context of the entire play. Clearly, Robinson was so wide open anyone could have hit him. This is all on Henne.
Quote:great post man, but i'm afraid it's falling on deaf ears.
excellent commentary
It's pretty pathetic that others have to make the arguments for you, but not surprising.
Quote:I didn't say the games are played in screen shots, I said it's clear from that screenshot that a good QB that can recognize coverages and has a good arm would have recognized where the throw was to be made and would have made it.
I expect once Bortles is in and seasoned he'll be recognizing the right throws to make and pretty soon teams will be on their heels covering the Jaguars receivers and the pass rush and run defense will suddenly be a lot less effective against the Jaguars.
The reason the Jaguars are bad is because Henne is bad. When teams play against a team with a bad QB they play with confidence and decisiveness. Sure they gave up the long pass to Marcedes, but that's a once a game kind of thing. They'll gladly give up one TD to play aggressively against a guy who almost never realizes where the throw needs to go.
And I suggested you go back and watch the actual play to get some real perspective on what happened. You clearly have chosen to stick with a moment in time over seeing the entire play in context. By the time Robinson was open, the play was moving away from him. Watch the video. It's really not that difficult to see.
Quote:I don't think this is an unreasonable play/throw for good QB to make, and that's the problem, Chad isn't very good. He has slow eyes and is inaccurate.
It is *totally* unreasonable. Watch the play. He's a right handed QB running hard to his left and gets tripped nearly as soon as he's flushed. The reciever on the right is nearly behind him at that point.
Geesh, some of you guys seriously play to much Madden.
Quote:whoa, just noticed FBT is an administrator and he's insulting posters like this.
thats kinda sad
There's nothing that says we can't recognize someone for what they are regardless of our status on the board.
Quote:great post man, but i'm afraid it's falling on deaf ears.
excellent commentary
Anyone that's been watching football for a few decades recognizes what the QB means, and it's been weighted heavier and heavier toward the QB being the driver of every team in the league.
The seahawks were a .500 football team before Russell Wilson. The Saints were perennially bad to mediocre before Brees. The colts were 2-14 without their franchise guys.
It's not the Jaguars as a team, it's Henne as a QB. Put a top 10 QB on this team and it would suddenly be competitive and people would be talking about what a great job Caldwell did rebuilding the offensive line.
Quote:It is *totally* unreasonable. Watch the play. He's a right handed QB running hard to his left and gets tripped nearly as soon as he's flushed. The reciever on the right is nearly behind him at that point.
Geesh, some of you guys seriously play to much Madden.
with all due respect, your post shows a lack of understanding of the game.
Quote:There's nothing that says we can't recognize someone for what they are regardless of our status on the board.
seems to me that there are plenty of posters(even in this thread) who recognize you as THAT type of administrator. that's not good, man.
It's funny seeing people defend Chad Henne.
I mean, really? He's had, what, 7 years in the NFL? He still is the same guy that played at Michigan.
He can't read a defense (he never could)
He can't make a back shoulder throw (he never could consistently)
He can't slide his feet to move in the pocket (he never could)
He can't climb the ladder in the pocket (he never could)
So... this is the guy? The guy who in SEVEN years still can't figure ANY of these things out? Blake Bortles already figured these things out in a few weeks of having a QB coach.
You cannot tell me (and keep a straight face) that Chad "Can't Learn" Henne is better than a guy who in a few weeks already learned what Henne never has.. and Henne had a QB coach in college.
Quote:And I suggested you go back and watch the actual play to get some real perspective on what happened. You clearly have chosen to stick with a moment in time over seeing the entire play in context. By the time Robinson was open, the play was moving away from him. Watch the video. It's really not that difficult to see.
Which has nothing to do with what I said. A good QB recognizes the coverage, looks left at the start of the play to keep the defense moving the direction it's already tilted and throws right at the depth of his drop.
Quote:Which has nothing to do with what I said. A good QB recognizes the coverage, looks left at the start of the play to keep the defense moving the direction it's already tilted and throws right at the depth of his drop.
Even a marginal QB recognizes when the right side of his line is being overrun. Hence the reason you should go back and watch the actual video of this play because the screen cap does not properly represent what happened. But, it's your prerogative to ignore facts, so feel free to stick to the screen cap.
Quote:Anyone that's been watching football for a few decades recognizes what the QB means, and it's been weighted heavier and heavier toward the QB being the driver of every team in the league.
The seahawks were a .500 football team before Russell Wilson. The Saints were perennially bad to mediocre before Brees. The colts were 2-14 without their franchise guys.
It's not the Jaguars as a team, it's Henne as a QB. Put a top 10 QB on this team and it would suddenly be competitive and people would be talking about what a great job Caldwell did rebuilding the offensive line.
guys dont' understand that in this league, you cant expect a QB to have lunch back there in the pocket, but those are the type of comments that people who are unreasonable, and/or just dont understand how the game goes make.
you get a QB who is able to do everything that he needs to do PRE SNAP behind the center, then that Line all of a sudden starts to look better.
these people miss the forest for the trees. they think that the line needs to allow the QB 6 seconds to throw and that the receiver needs to be 10 yards open.
what a lack of understanding they have
Quote:It's funny seeing people defend Chad Henne.
I mean, really? He's had, what, 7 years in the NFL? He still is the same guy that played at Michigan.
He can't read a defense (he never could)
He can't make a back shoulder throw (he never could consistently)
He can't slide his feet to move in the pocket (he never could)
He can't climb the ladder in the pocket (he never could)
So... this is the guy? The guy who in SEVEN years still can't figure ANY of these things out? Blake Bortles already figured these things out in a few weeks of having a QB coach.
You cannot tell me (and keep a straight face) that Chad "Can't Learn" Henne is better than a guy who in a few weeks already learned what Henne never has.. and Henne had a QB coach in college.
Nobody is defending Chad Henne here. That's the funny thing you seem incapable of comprehending.
Quote:Which has nothing to do with what I said. A good QB recognizes the coverage, looks left at the start of the play to keep the defense moving the direction it's already tilted and throws right at the depth of his drop.
BINGORAMMA
it always goes back to the QB, don't care how you spin it
@Oklahomie:
Those teams(seattle,NO, clots) also had a good run game and experienced WRs(
not rookies) to go with the QB.
@STROMSTORM- NO ONE IS DEFENDING HENNE! the whole Team is bad
Quote:Anyone that's been watching football for a few decades recognizes what the QB means, and it's been weighted heavier and heavier toward the QB being the driver of every team in the league.
The seahawks were a .500 football team before Russell Wilson. The Saints were perennially bad to mediocre before Brees. The colts were 2-14 without their franchise guys.
It's not the Jaguars as a team, it's Henne as a QB. Put a top 10 QB on this team and it would suddenly be competitive and people would be talking about what a great job Caldwell did rebuilding the offensive line.
I don't think it's that simple. I think a top 10 QB would definitely help this team but it wouldn't turn them into contenders or even competitive until the defense can get the coverage issues sorted out and the OL can gel and at least play competently. Same for the reciever corps. There are a lot of holes on this team right now.
Quote:Henne isn't a great QB no, not close. Is he good? On a good team, he could perform reasonably. Contrary to what you said, he can read defenses and identify coverages competently which is one of the reasons he's starting over Bortles ra[ight now when Bortles is obviously much more physically gifted.
Come on Man! your saying that through his entire career he has never been on a good enough team to have a winning record! As I posted earlier only three games last year did he score over twenty points, twenty points!
Quote:guys dont' understand that in this league, you cant expect a QB to have lunch back there in the pocket, but those are the type of comments that people who are unreasonable, and/or just dont understand how the game goes make.
you get a QB who is able to do everything that he needs to do PRE SNAP behind the center, then that Line all of a sudden starts to look better.
these people miss the forest for the trees. they think that the line needs to allow the QB 6 seconds to throw and that the receiver needs to be 10 yards open.
what a lack of understanding they have
Yeah, I've been watching NFL football for more than 30 years. I understand the expectations. I also am smart enough to recognize that Chad Henne isn't a top tier QB and that while he is the current starter, he has deficiencies. What you clearly don't grasp is that while Henne is not a top shelf QB, he is the better option right now to be on the field as far as the coaching staff is concerned. Based on how poorly the line has played, I can't say as I blame them.
Quote:Come on Man! your saying that through his entire career he has never been on a good enough team to have a winning record! As I posted earlier only three games last year did he score over twenty points, twenty points!
And that's all on Henne? The rest of the team was poised to dominate and somehow he prevented that from happening? Really?