Quote:There's an audio account that indicates he was basically bum rushing the cop when he was shot. The autopsy backs that up despite what the eyewitness, the guy he was with when they strong armed the convenience store owner indicated. The feds are so determined to prove the science wrong that Eric Holder has ordered a third autopsy be performed by a federal forensic specialist. I'm pretty sure they'll find the same thing about the entry wounds.
Not everything is a liberal conspiracy, FBT.
Quote:Not everything is a liberal conspiracy, FBT.
I don't think its a conspiracy, and hadn't heard there was a third autopsy, but three seems like a bit much.
I'm thinking the cops were called when the kid stole stuff. He is a big guy, and probably easy for a cop to pick out walking down the street. What happened from that point on, I'm not sure....but every time something comes out, the information doesn't look good in defense of the kid.
The no shots in the back does support the cops version this looks more like a case of bad public relations after the fact.
I also read somewhere the ferguson police don't have dash cams they're a small force. I don't know if that's true but man a dash cam would clear this up quick.
Bottom line it's not even about Michael brown anymore you've got agitators that are just rioting to riot.
I don't have a link, but there is a statistic out there in which I don't remember the exact number, that states a very large majority amount of accusations of wrongdoing against police are dismissed when there is dash cam footage.
Google the video of cops accused of shooting a Chicago man who was putting down his weapon. To an observer, it looks like they murdered him, but you can't know the whole story unless you were there.
Quote:The no shots in the back does support the cops version this looks more like a case of bad public relations after the fact.
I also read somewhere the ferguson police don't have dash cams they're a small force. I don't know if that's true but man a dash cam would clear this up quick.
Bottom line it's not even about Michael brown anymore you've got agitators that are just rioting to riot.
Bad public relations? There's a 10 minute video out now that before an investigation even started the people were yelling at the cops saying they shot a kid with his back to the cop and his hands up. I understand where they are coming from. If I walked out of my house and someone told me they saw it and the kid had his hands up with his back to him and then got shot, I'd be livid too.
I hope the kid who gave the statement that he shot him in the back is charged with a crime. If nothing else, he is the one who has incited this whole mess.
I feel bad for the kids family and the people who have had their stores looted because of this.
The evidence I've seen today suggests this is another case of a cop always being in the wrong and a rush to judgement by people saying cops are bad people. I even saw a post on facebook of a screenshot....the kid said people need to follow cops home and then kidnap their family members and that was the only way they would get their attention. Really?!
Quote:Bad public relations? There's a 10 minute video out now that before an investigation even started the people were yelling at the cops saying they shot a kid with his back to the cop and his hands up. I understand where they are coming from. If I walked out of my house and someone told me they saw it and the kid had his hands up with his back to him and then got shot, I'd be livid too.
I hope the kid who gave the statement that he shot him in the back is charged with a crime. If nothing else, he is the one who has incited this whole mess.
I feel bad for the kids family and the people who have had their stores looted because of this.
The evidence I've seen today suggests this is another case of a cop always being in the wrong and a rush to judgement by people saying cops are bad people. I even saw a post on facebook of a screenshot....the kid said people need to follow cops home and then kidnap their family members and that was the only way they would get their attention. Really?!
Yea bad response by the department. They waited almost two days before anything about the incident came out, from the first couple of moments after the shooting you could tell this was going to be bad. They needed to be ahead of this not behind it.
All the information coming out now, almost a week after the fact needed to be used to keep us from getting to this point. And yes the "eye witness" that appears to have been lying needs to be charged. (I'm not sure if purgery is the right charge but lying to the cops I'm pretty sure is a criminal act on some level.)
Then you had the governor pretty much tell people that they needed to let the public blow some steam, that's only going to encourage protestors to blow off steam. They waited almost 3 days before getting the state police involved and than another 4 days before getting the national guard involved. It's out of hand now, you've got the New Black Panthers coming in so they'll look to escalate the problem.
The News reporters that tried to report on the situation where arrested, gassed, and shot at with rubber bullets that's not going to present the police in a good light.
So yea pretty much anyway possible to fowl up after the shooting we've seen.
Quote:Yea bad response by the department. They waited almost two days before anything about the incident came out, from the first couple of moments after the shooting you could tell this was going to be bad. They needed to be ahead of this not behind it.
All the information coming out now, almost a week after the fact needed to be used to keep us from getting to this point. And yes the "eye witness" that appears to have been lying needs to be charged. (I'm not sure if purgery is the right charge but lying to the cops I'm pretty sure is a criminal act on some level.)
Then you had the governor pretty much tell people that they needed to let the public blow some steam, that's only going to encourage protestors to blow off steam. They waited almost 3 days before getting the state police involved and than another 4 days before getting the national guard involved. It's out of hand now, you've got the New Black Panthers coming in so they'll look to escalate the problem.
The News reporters that tried to report on the situation where arrested, gassed, and shot at with rubber bullets that's not going to present the police in a good light.
So yea pretty much anyway possible to fowl up after the shooting we've seen.
If they would have come out earlier with any sort of information that was wrong they would have been blasted. They had to do an investigation. The only thing that would have curbed the reaction was saying they were arresting the cop for murder.
The autopsy takes time. The video with the guy talking about what happened didnt come out until yesterday/today.
What did you want them to come out and say? Do you really think the reporter that was arrested was just for the fun of it? You don't think there was a reason?
This is just showing how pathetic the race relations is between blacks and whites in St. Louis.
Quote:If they would have come out earlier with any sort of information that was wrong they would have been blasted. They had to do an investigation. The only thing that would have curbed the reaction was saying they were arresting the cop for murder.
The autopsy takes time. The video with the guy talking about what happened didnt come out until yesterday/today.
What did you want them to come out and say? Do you really think the reporter that was arrested was just for the fun of it? You don't think there was a reason?
it's semantics at this point but if they would've at least said he this kid was suspect in a robbery it might have calmed some tensions. The governor telling people that blowing off steam is needed didn't help either. it's just a cluster mess at this point, there's legit grievances that are going to be over looked because of the chaos after wards.
Like I said there's no real good options at this point.
As for the reporters they where doing their job, reporting on a situation. The police don't want them there recording whats sure to be very harsh attempts to disburse the crowd, while at this point it's needed it doesn't look good for the police after the fact. I'm not a fan of Al Jezera America or Huffington Post but you don't want police cracking down on media.
Quote:This is just showing how pathetic the race relations is between blacks and whites in St. Louis.
I don't think this is really about race relations between blacks and whites in St. Louis. The looters aren't attacking businesses in white neighborhoods. They're trashing their own businesses.
You've got race hustlers jumping into the fray to amp up the mob mentality, but as accounts continue to come out about this incident, it's becoming clear this isn't about black vs. white. The cop didn't shoot this guy because he was black.
Quote:This is just showing how pathetic the race relations is between blacks and whites in St. Louis.
You could make a case its a relations problem between the black community and police, but how you make it a black and white thing is beyond me?
Quote:it's semantics at this point but if they would've at least said he this kid was suspect in a robbery it might have calmed some tensions. The governor telling people that blowing off steam is needed didn't help either. it's just a cluster mess at this point, there's legit grievances that are going to be over looked because of the chaos after wards.
Like I said there's no real good options at this point.
As for the reporters they where doing their job, reporting on a situation. The police don't want them there recording whats sure to be very harsh attempts to disburse the crowd, while at this point it's needed it doesn't look good for the police after the fact. I'm not a fan of Al Jezera America or Huffington Post but you don't want police cracking down on media.
In fairness, the kid wasn't a suspect at the time he was shot. He and his cohort were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic when the officer pulled up. He was connected to the burglary after the fact.
Quote:In fairness, the kid wasn't a suspect at the time he was shot. He and his cohort were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic when the officer pulled up. He was connected to the burglary after the fact.
Right but they could put 2 and 2 together pretty quick. The fact that the "kid" was just involved in a robbery could've helped quite the talk about an innocent child being shot in the back. That's what had everyone so upset at the start, it was being reported this kid was shot for walking in the middle of the street, add to the context he was leaving a robbery and it changes the public perception of what happened.
Quote:I don't think this is really about race relations between blacks and whites in St. Louis. The looters aren't attacking businesses in white neighborhoods. They're trashing their own businesses.
You've got race hustlers jumping into the fray to amp up the mob mentality, but as accounts continue to come out about this incident, it's becoming clear this isn't about black vs. white. The cop didn't shoot this guy because he was black.
CNN mentioned something recently in regards to the plight of African Americans in St. Louis since the end of segregation in the 1960's.
http://news.msn.com/videos?videoid=bf962...a43cc5164d
Quote:You could make a case its a relations problem between the black community and police, but how you make it a black and white thing is beyond me?
There is a seprate issue between Blacks and and the police, which most of whom are white.
Quote:Right but they could put 2 and 2 together pretty quick. The fact that the "kid" was just involved in a robbery could've helped quite the talk about an innocent child being shot in the back. That's what had everyone so upset at the start, it was being reported this kid was shot for walking in the middle of the street, add to the context he was leaving a robbery and it changes the public perception of what happened.
It was a white cop shooting a black suspect. No matter what they did, they were going to deal with at least some of what has transpired. The police have methodically gone about building their case and showing that this kid wasn't as innocent as he was initially portrayed. He was a bully who used his size to intimidate a store owner, and he allegedly bum rushed this cop after attempting to get his gun from him when he was shot.
It takes time to pull all the pieces together. By the time the truth started to come out, the rioting and looting had already begun, as had the myth that this was just a poor innocent teen gunned down for no reason. We saw the same kind of process with the Trayvon case where Zimmerman's side of the story was completely dismissed until the forensic photos showed his head had indeed been hammered into the concrete.
It's unfortunate, but police work does not happen instantaneously. Especially when you've got two different crimes taking place involving the same suspect, but you don't connect the dots until there's been further investigation. By then, the hucksters had gotten their hooks in the crowds and they were encouraging lawlessness.
Was it handled perfectly by the Ferguson PD? Nope. They've dropped the ball repeatedly, as has everyone else involved in this case. Now it's suddenly being investigated by the feds, and they're no doubt looking for a way to make this a hate crime. Something they only investigate if the victim is a minority, and the alleged perpetrator happens to be white. You don't see the Justice Department scrambling to investigate shootings in Chicago that are black on black. We don't have them here in Jacksonville investigating the drive by shooting that injured a 6 year old girl.
Quote:Not everything is a liberal conspiracy, FBT.
Where this Justice Department gets involved, there's an agenda at play, and it's got nothing to do with justice. It's not a liberal conspiracy. It's an agenda driven from the top with this group.
So, basically Eric hates cops. You don't want to get shot, don't do something stupid when engaged by a cop.
I've been put in back of a cop car for "doing nothing". I must have been profiled! Looking for a house party...me and a buddy (both white) were pulled over in the neighborhood. He made me get out (not friendly at all) and sit in the back of the car (maybe because I lift a little and he felt like his safety was threatened?) and he cuffed my buddy. We weren't drinking or driving erratically. I/He didn't scream and yell or resist. Just did what we were told. More cops came (why, not sure) and then about 30 minutes later we left. One of the cops was cool and apologized and said stay safe.
Simple.
Quote:CNN mentioned something recently in regards to the plight of African Americans in St. Louis since the end of segregation in the 1960's.
http://news.msn.com/videos?videoid=bf962...a43cc5164d
There is a seprate issue between Blacks and and the police, which most of whom are white.
50 seconds into your video, what the reverend says confirms that THIS incident isn't about race. It's about provocateurs who are there to instigate unrest, and has nothing to do with racial relations. He says it himself.
He does go on to talk about the need to address racial relations, but he made it pretty clear this incident was more about pot stirrers stoking the crowds than race.
Quote:50 seconds into your video, what the reverend says confirms that THIS incident isn't about race. It's about provocateurs who are there to instigate unrest, and has nothing to do with racial relations. He says it himself.
He does go on to talk about the need to address racial relations, but he made it pretty clear this incident was more about pot stirrers stoking the crowds than race.
That was the whole point of the video, and my response back on post #188 which was the need to address racial tension.
Quote:Autopsy shows Brown was shot at least 6 times including twice in the head...seems legit.
That just an Alabama suicide ritual right there now