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Quote:Okay, let's say the police fail at their job, and it becomes an issue for the National Guard.


What are your average citizens supposed to do while waiting for the response from the Governor?

 

Loot and riot apparently!

Quote:When you or I can own automatic weapons, why wouldnt the police?

 

So a crowd at a Jags game requires National Guard work?

 

You are skewed on what police work is.  Police are not there to network to prevent crime, they are there to police it and stop it.  Hence the word, police.

 

You can't own an automatic weapon without an FFL3 license and it's next to impossible in most states. The police don't fight wars, they are peacekeepers in the community, peacekeepers don't need automatic weapons.

 

The crowd at a Jags game is private security or hired officers paid time off to patrol the event, just like construction companies pay officers over time to sit on the road during night work. How does that justify the need for a militarized police force?

 

Until the War on Drugs that's what police did, they patrolled a specific area. Worked to know the people in that community, the police where apart of a community not rulers over a community.

Quote:Okay, let's say the police fail at their job, and it becomes an issue for the National Guard.


What are your average citizens supposed to do while waiting for the response from the Governor?

 

The Average citizen should be armed. Just like the Tattoo store and Country Gun club, they'd be left untouched.

 

but nope, just militarized the police and let government fix it, that always ends well..........

Quote:The Average citizen should be armed. Just like the Tattoo store and Country Gun club, they'd be left untouched.

 

but nope, just militarized the police and let government fix it, that always ends well..........

Sorry but I don't trust the average American to handle a firearm around me safely or properly.

Quote:Sorry but I don't trust the average American to handle a firearm around me safely or properly.

Because the incidents of irresponsible use by law abiding, properly trained and permitted firearm owners are rampant?

Quote:Sorry but I don't trust the average American to handle a firearm around me safely or properly.

 

Regardless if you want them armed or not people should be armed and this case in MO is the perfect example. The people depending on the police force and all their might and power, shops burned to the ground, everything gone. The one's that are armed and standing guard to protect their party, left alone.

Quote:Because the incidents of irresponsible use by law abiding, properly trained and permitted firearm owners are rampant?

That's not even close to what I said. I said I don't trust the average american to BE properly trained or safe with fire arms. 

Quote:That's not even close to what I said. I said I don't trust the average american to BE properly trained or safe with fire arms. 

If the average American wants to legally own and carry a firearm, they need to be properly trained in order to receive their permit in every state that has concealed or open carry laws. 

 

Again, I rarely hear about incidents involving people who legally own their firearms.  It does happen, but when you consider the number of guns that are out there currently vs. the number of incidents involving those legally owned guns, it's almost non-existent. 

 

More often than not, as has been proven again in Ferguson, those who do own and responsibly manage their firearms can serve as a deterrent.  There's a reason some stores weren't looted during all of this nonsense. 

Quote:Regardless if you want them armed or not people should be armed and this case in MO is the perfect example. The people depending on the police force and all their might and power, shops burned to the ground, everything gone. The one's that are armed and standing guard to protect their party, left alone.

I agree they should have the right to be armed and I don't begrudge anyone who does own guns. I just don't think everyone should be armed. 

Quote:I agree they should have the right to be armed and I don't begrudge anyone who does own guns. I just don't think everyone should be armed. 

You'll be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks EVERYONE should be armed. 

Imported looters.

Quote:Man, you really like to stir the pot.  You somehow insinuated that he said shipped was said in a racist way?  You are the only one who took it that way....and look, you did it again with "two of my people".

 

I sometimes agree with your points, but you really are overly sensitive to words.  You take them the wrong way when nobody else does.

He can't be racist or bigoted.  He's a democrat.  They're never such things.

 

Sincerely,

Senator Robert Byrd

Former US Senator

Exalted Cyclops, KKK

Quote:Man, you really like to stir the pot.  You somehow insinuated that he said shipped was said in a racist way?  You are the only one who took it that way....and look, you did it again with "two of my people".

 

I sometimes agree with your points, but you really are overly sensitive to words.  You take them the wrong way when nobody else does.

He can't be racist or bigoted.  He's a democrat.  They're never capable of such things.

 

Sincerely,

Senator Robert Byrd

Former US Senator

Exalted Cyclops, KKK

Quote:I agree they should have the right to be armed and I don't begrudge anyone who does own guns. I just don't think everyone should be armed. 

 

In Russia it's a apart of their grade school education, learning how to break down, clean and fire the AK-47 (their military rifle of choice). Remove the fear of firearms from the public, and you'd see a more responsible response to firearm ownership.

 

But my comment was in regards to someone asking what the average citizen does while waiting for the national guard. That was my intention to tell them they shouldn't be waiting on government to come save them, arm yourself, become self sufficient.

Quote:In Russia it's a apart of their grade school education, learning how to break down, clean and fire the AK-47 (their military rifle of choice). Remove the fear of firearms from the public, and you'd see a more responsible response to firearm ownership.

 

But my comment was in regards to someone asking what the average citizen does while waiting for the national guard. That was my intention to tell them they shouldn't be waiting on government to come save them, arm yourself, become self sufficient.

 

The average citizen should have no need for a gun.  That's not to say that those who operate within the law shouldn't be allowed to own them.  But personally, I do not want a gun in my house.  Even though I  am trained to use it properly, I have people in my house who are not trained properly (and are too young to be trained properly) to use one. 

 

And even if I were to own a gun -- if it were a situation where the National Guard needed to be called in, I doubt that I by myself would be able to do much.  Especially if my neighbors do not own a gun, and I would rather rely on the police than my neighbors.  

Quote:Sorry,

 

I believe in God and believes he know the truth.

 

Anything else?

 


 

Not really.

 

I was just trying to claify what he was trying to convey.

He wasn't saying anything derogatory about God...he just said that we won't be actually hearing what he says on the matter.

Quote:Sorry but I don't trust the average American to handle a firearm around me safely or properly.

 

Lol, the average citizen should be armed, but the police should have the same exact weapons as them. 

 

We have school shootings, mass murderers, upset fired employees, possibility of terrorists....the police are first responders to every situation, but they should not be armed to match them.

 

Eric, I realize nobody is going to change your mind, but in my opinion, you are wrong.

Quote:You can't own an automatic weapon without an FFL3 license and it's next to impossible in most states. The police don't fight wars, they are peacekeepers in the community, peacekeepers don't need automatic weapons.

No...you can't LEGALLY own one without a FFL3 license...but since when are the people that are going to be up to no good concerned about little things like obtaining a license?

Forgive me if I'm wrong on this...and please correct me if I am, but wasn't some of the National Guard sent overseas at the start of the War on Terror?


If this was the case then it makes sense to have the police trained to take over some of the duties that the NG would take care of if they were unable to do so.

Quote:Forgive me if I'm wrong on this...and please correct me if I am, but wasn't some of the National Guard sent overseas at the start of the War on Terror?


If this was the case then it makes sense to have the police trained to take over some of the duties that the NG would take care of if they were unable to do so.

The National Guard has been deployed in all of the recent military conflicts the US has been involved with.