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Now reports that urine being thrown at cops. Just a recent " media " report.

I'd never make a good cop. Throw urine at me? I'm breaking out my club ... NK.

There are cop bullies, it's a reason some join the force. I'm hoping it's a minority. But how much restraint can one have?

We talk so often of lack of respect and discipline in society, our schools, etc. Why? Because little Johnny needs to be talked to, the little misunderstood guy.

Fast forward to today....you get Ferguson.

This is serious. If we start mob rule, this country is heading into deep abyss. IF...repeat IF the cop is found innocent, and there is proof the shooting was justified, you don't think there will be riots?


It's embarrassing. Here we try to be examples to the world. Now worldwide media outlets question us. And it's well deserved.

We are showing we can be as uncivilized as any other crap hole.

Quote:People rushed to judgement in this case on both sides.  Nobody still knows what really happened.

 

For me the kicker will be if the cop had the damage to his eye that I've read.  I would need it confirmed by a legit news source, but if thats what comes out, its pretty obvious why this happened.

 

It doesn't make it any easier on the family, or the fact that there are issues with the police in that area.  I think dashboard cameras and cops actually having cameras attached to them will become the norm.  If that were the case, this would be clear cut.  Either the cop would be arrested for murder, or it would be shown that the kid attacked him.

 

I've seen the eye injury reported by more than one outlet.  The chief of police in Ferguson confirmed the officer sustained a facial injury last week, but he did not have details.  It's only been reported in the last day that he had an orbital blowout. 

 

You're right that both sides jumped to conclusions well before the facts came to light, but it's becoming pretty clear that the narrative that was the impetus behind the rioting and looting was not completely accurate.  There are too many eye witness accounts refuting the initial reports. 

 

There are definitely issues involving the Ferguson PD, but I think that when the dust settles on this incident, whether those who are banging the drum for police brutality like it or not, this officer will be exonerated.  They're racing to get a grand jury to press charges right now, but in the end, regardless of what transpires, this is going to turn out to be a clean shooting and an unfortunate incident. 

Quote:I would say telling media to stay out of harms way isn't a bad thing?

 

There are two sides to every story, but there are stories now coming out that there are multiple witnesses that corroborate the cops story and that the cop had an orbital fracture to his eye.  If this is all true, the violence and looting seems pretty unjustified....no?  Eric/JFC, care to chime in on that?

 

Also, if I were a cop and there were people promoting violence, I would put on any type of gear that would protect me and carry the biggest gun possible.

 

In my eyes in this situation, there are 4 sides to the story, the police officer, witnesses, Micheal Brown, and God.

 

Unfortunately, one person is not able to speak for themselves.

 

In regards to what's going on, for the record the looters who are causing all the destruction and chaos deserve to be dealt with in the most humane way possible. They are the ones who are taking advantage of the situation by causing all the turmoil and are unfortunately the minority who have become the focus point of coverage in what has overall been a peaceful protest. Lets not forget, in the midst of covering this situation, networks still battle for ratings, would any of you guys watch a peaceful protest with not violence, or would you all prefer seeing police and protesters under attack? Which one do you think would get more ratings?

 

Regarding the officer, if he was in a physical confrontation with Brown and feared for his life, he had every right to use lethal force. Some people think that only a office can use lethal force if his/her life is met with the same, not true. If a suspect tries to hit the officer with their own vehicle, or attempt to grab their gun, that is grounds to use force.

 

Regarding police overall.

 

To a point, I agree with Eric. The majority of officers I have come into contact with casually in public about 85% are respectful and courteous. The other 15% are the ones who I despise because I have had the pleasant experience of being profiled and treated like a second class citizen during a traffic stop. Ive also witness times where officers abuse their power of authority in situations where it was unnecessary such as a small argument in a subdivision where people outside who are just observing are told to go inside their homes even when the element of danger is non-existent. 

 

 

Quote:I know you'll believe whatever narrative supports your point of view, so your clever little slave ship comment doesn't surprise me. 

 

Water cannons?  It just keeps getting more and more ridiculous with you. 

 

But, the facts are there if you bothered to look.  But, that wouldn't really support your particular point of view, would it?

 

There was a report just yesterday on CNN that more than 70 people were arrested, and only 3 of them were from Ferguson.  Some came from as far away as OAKLAND CALIFORNIA.  I'm sure they were just vacationing in Ferguson, right? 

 

KSDK reported more than a week ago that most of the people arrested for looting had felony records and came from outside of the St. Louis area.  These weren't locals who were outraged about police brutality in their neighborhood.  They were thugs who saw an opportunity to enjoy a little lawlessness. 

 

Here's a report that backs my point up.This report says these looters had come from as far away as California and New York. 

 

Newsflash.  As more and more media attention was drawn to this situation, those protests went from local to what we're seeing now where you've got people coming from all over the country to cause mayhem. 

 

Dont get mad at me brother for you being called out.

 

You used the term "shipped", so I thought I would try to gain more insight into your thinking.

 

You seemed to focus more on the people from out of town causing the violence then the overall protest as a whole. If that's what gets your attention more, it would be easier to admit it, because then I can understand why your opinions are skewed a certain way.

Quote:In my eyes in this situation, there are 4 sides to the story, the police officer, witnesses, Micheal Brown, and God.

 

Unfortunately, one person is not able to speak for themselves.

 

In regards to what's going on, for the record the looters who are causing all the destruction and chaos deserve to be dealt with in the most humane way possible. They are the ones who are taking advantage of the situation by causing all the turmoil and are unfortunately the minority who have become the focus point of coverage in what has overall been a peaceful protest. Lets not forget, in the midst of covering this situation, networks still battle for ratings, would any of you guys watch a peaceful protest with not violence, or would you all prefer seeing police and protesters under attack? Which one do you think would get more ratings?

 

Regarding the officer, if he was in a physical confrontation with Brown and feared for his life, he had every right to use lethal force. Some people think that only a office can use lethal force if his/her life is met with the same, not true. If a suspect tries to hit the officer with their own vehicle, or attempt to grab their gun, that is grounds to use force.

 

Regarding police overall.

 

To a point, I agree with Eric. The majority of officers I have come into contact with casually in public about 85% are respectful and courteous. The other 15% are the ones who I despise because I have had the pleasant experience of being profiled and treated like a second class citizen during a traffic stop. Ive also witness times where officers abuse their power of authority in situations where it was unnecessary such as a small argument in a subdivision where people outside who are just observing are told to go inside their homes even when the element of danger is non-existent. 

 

 

 

Dont get mad at me brother for you being called out.

 

You used the term "shipped", so I thought I would try to gain more insight into your thinking.

 

You seemed to focus more on the people from out of town causing the violence then the overall protest as a whole. If that's what gets your attention more, it would be easier to admit it, because then I can understand why your opinions are skewed a certain way.

 

My term "shipped" had nothing to do with slavery, nor did it harken to the days of breaking out the fire hoses, but you certainly saw fit to go there.  That certainly provides insight into your thinking, and since assumptions are fine for you, I'm going to make a few of my own.

 

My focus on the out of town protesters is that they wouldn't be there if there wasn't a media circus at play.  And as the media has begun to pay more and more attention to this situation, the number of people who have magically appeared on the scene to join this protest aren't there for the legitimate reasons for concern in Ferguson.  They're there for the opportunity to loot, steal, and cause general havoc. What may have begun organically has morphed into a manufactured crisis stirred up by opportunists.  If you can't see that, you're too ingrained in your own bias. 

Quote:In my eyes in this situation, there are 4 sides to the story, the police officer, witnesses, Micheal Brown, and God.

 

Reports of up to 12 witness corroborate the officers story...so that's 13-0 since two of your "people" cannot speak...

What are the odds..

Lets say, after a full investigation, the officer isnt charged. Indisputable evidence.

Is the percentage of a riot over 50%. Excuse to loot?

 

Also, on a more sensitive subject. The same question, but the victim was white and the officer was black.

Any violent protests? Looting? Urine throwing? 

What if both were white?

 

Unless you've been living under a rock, imo, theres clearly double standards.

 

Before anyone starts with the race card, do you think MLK would approve? His peaceful protests did more and earned respect. These knucklehead excuse makers are taking things back ward.

Quote:Reports of up to 12 witness corroborate the officers story...so that's 13-0 since two of your "people" cannot speak...

Now waiting on God's report

 

The way Brown bullied the store owner and used intimidation in the theft process, will make many assume he could quite possibly acted the same way towards the cop.

Walks, talks and acts like a duck..you know the saying

Quote:My term "shipped" had nothing to do with slavery, nor did it harken to the days of breaking out the fire hoses, but you certainly saw fit to go there.  That certainly provides insight into your thinking, and since assumptions are fine for you, I'm going to make a few of my own.

 

My focus on the out of town protesters is that they wouldn't be there if there wasn't a media circus at play.  And as the media has begun to pay more and more attention to this situation, the number of people who have magically appeared on the scene to join this protest aren't there for the legitimate reasons for concern in Ferguson.  They're there for the opportunity to loot, steal, and cause general havoc. What may have begun organically has morphed into a manufactured crisis stirred up by opportunists.  If you can't see that, you're too ingrained in your own bias. 

 

I went there because I was trying to figure out your context for using the word "shipped" when you could have just easily said a word like..um I dont know...maybe travel, or went....just my guess.

 

As for the bolded underlined part, did you not pay attention to what I just posted in regards to what I thought about the violent protest?

 

You got to be kidding me FBT.

 

Quote:Reports of up to 12 witness corroborate the officers story...so that's 13-0 since two of your "people" cannot speak...

 

Who are my "two of my people"?

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Regarding police overall.

 

To a point, I agree with Eric. The majority of officers I have come into contact with casually in public about 85% are respectful and courteous. The other 15% are the ones who I despise because I have had the pleasant experience of being profiled and treated like a second class citizen during a traffic stop. Ive also witness times where officers abuse their power of authority in situations where it was unnecessary such as a small argument in a subdivision where people outside who are just observing are told to go inside their homes even when the element of danger is non-existent. 

 

 

I'd say even more than 15% of people in the real world are jerks.  Life is life - you have to deal with jerks.  If your boss is a jerk, then tough.  If you run into a jerk at McDonalds, tough.  If you run into a jerk cop who is writing you a speeding ticket when you were only going 3 over the speed limit, tough.

 

Cops have the right to stay one level of defense higher than what they are presented.  A fight with a cop is never an even fight, which seems to be what the anti-militarization crowd wants.  Guess what?  If an angry mob that can overtake and injure/kill a group of 50 officers is confrontational, you're darn right the cops should have riot gear, automatic weapons, and tear gas.

 

It seems pretty self-righteous to demand that police officers put themselves at even more risk of not going home to their families at night so you can feel better about someone getting into a fair fight with the police. 

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Who are my "two of my people"?

Brown and God...won't be hearing from either of them on this.

Quote:I went there because I was trying to figure out your context for using the word "shipped" when you could have just easily said a word like..um I dont know...maybe travel, or went....just my guess.

 

As for the bolded underlined part, did you not pay attention to what I just posted in regards to what I thought about the violent protest?

 

You got to be kidding me FBT.

 

 

Who are my "two of my people"?

 

Man, you really like to stir the pot.  You somehow insinuated that he said shipped was said in a racist way?  You are the only one who took it that way....and look, you did it again with "two of my people".

 

I sometimes agree with your points, but you really are overly sensitive to words.  You take them the wrong way when nobody else does.

Quote:I'd say even more than 15% of people in the real world are jerks.  Life is life - you have to deal with jerks.  If your boss is a jerk, then tough.  If you run into a jerk at McDonalds, tough.  If you run into a jerk cop who is writing you a speeding ticket when you were only going 3 over the speed limit, tough.

 

Cops have the right to stay one level of defense higher than what they are presented.  A fight with a cop is never an even fight, which seems to be what the anti-militarization crowd wants.  Guess what?  If an angry mob that can overtake and injure/kill a group of 50 officers is confrontational, you're darn right the cops should have riot gear, automatic weapons, and tear gas.

 

It seems pretty self-righteous to demand that police officers put themselves at even more risk of not going home to their families at night so you can feel better about someone getting into a fair fight with the police. 

 

saying de-militirize sounds much more alarming than saying preparing for worse case scenarios.

 

Some of the stuff that is happening in MO is tame compared to what could happen.  Many countries going through turmoil right now wish they had the equipment our police had.  Unfortunately, they've lost control of their country because of it.

Quote:Brown and God...won't be hearing from either of them on this.

 

Sorry,

 

I believe in God and believes he know the truth.

 

Anything else?

 

Quote:Man, you really like to stir the pot.  You somehow insinuated that he said shipped was said in a racist way?  You are the only one who took it that way....and look, you did it again with "two of my people".

 

I sometimes agree with your points, but you really are overly sensitive to words.  You take them the wrong way when nobody else does.

 

Not really.

 

I was just trying to claify what he was trying to convey. 

Quote:I'd say even more than 15% of people in the real world are jerks.  Life is life - you have to deal with jerks.  If your boss is a jerk, then tough.  If you run into a jerk at McDonalds, tough.  If you run into a jerk cop who is writing you a speeding ticket when you were only going 3 over the speed limit, tough.

 

Cops have the right to stay one level of defense higher than what they are presented.  A fight with a cop is never an even fight, which seems to be what the anti-militarization crowd wants.  Guess what?  If an angry mob that can overtake and injure/kill a group of 50 officers is confrontational, you're darn right the cops should have riot gear, automatic weapons, and tear gas.

 

It seems pretty self-righteous to demand that police officers put themselves at even more risk of not going home to their families at night so you can feel better about someone getting into a fair fight with the police. 

 

I think you missed my point.

 

Being questioned by a cop why im driving a certain car or driving in a certain neighborhood is more than just life being life, and jerks being jerks.

Quote:Sorry,

 

I believe in God and believes he know the truth.

 

Yes, but we won't be hearing from him on this.  

Quote:saying de-militirize sounds much more alarming than saying preparing for worse case scenarios.

 

Some of the stuff that is happening in MO is tame compared to what could happen.  Many countries going through turmoil right now wish they had the equipment our police had.  Unfortunately, they've lost control of their country because of it.

Therein lies the rub.

 

The police and or government shouldn't have control of the people, it should be the other way around.

Quote:I'd say even more than 15% of people in the real world are jerks.  Life is life - you have to deal with jerks.  If your boss is a jerk, then tough.  If you run into a jerk at McDonalds, tough.  If you run into a jerk cop who is writing you a speeding ticket when you were only going 3 over the speed limit, tough.

 

Cops have the right to stay one level of defense higher than what they are presented.  A fight with a cop is never an even fight, which seems to be what the anti-militarization crowd wants.  Guess what?  If an angry mob that can overtake and injure/kill a group of 50 officers is confrontational, you're darn right the cops should have riot gear, automatic weapons, and tear gas.

 

It seems pretty self-righteous to demand that police officers put themselves at even more risk of not going home to their families at night so you can feel better about someone getting into a fair fight with the police. 

 

once it gets to the point automatic weapons are needed the police have already failed, it becomes an issue for the national guard. That's the point, taking a town and disbursing the crowd IS NOT police work, that's the guards duty, so militarizing the police shifts focus away from real police work. REAL police work is networking with a community to PREVENT boil overs like what's happening right now.

Quote:Therein lies the rub.

 

The police and or government shouldn't have control of the people, it should be the other way around.

 

The cops don't control me.  I know to stay within the law and stay out of trouble.  If you are doing something that causes them to intervene, you most likely deserve it.

Quote:once it gets to the point automatic weapons are needed the police have already failed, it becomes an issue for the national guard. That's the point, taking a town and disbursing the crowd IS NOT police work, that's the guards duty, so militarizing the police shifts focus away from real police work. REAL police work is networking with a community to PREVENT boil overs like what's happening right now.

 

When you or I can own automatic weapons, why wouldnt the police?

 

So a crowd at a Jags game requires National Guard work?

 

You are skewed on what police work is.  Police are not there to network to prevent crime, they are there to police it and stop it.  Hence the word, police.

Quote:once it gets to the point automatic weapons are needed the police have already failed, it becomes an issue for the national guard. That's the point, taking a town and disbursing the crowd IS NOT police work, that's the guards duty, so militarizing the police shifts focus away from real police work. REAL police work is networking with a community to PREVENT boil overs like what's happening right now.

 

Okay, let's say the police fail at their job, and it becomes an issue for the National Guard.


What are your average citizens supposed to do while waiting for the response from the Governor?