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The more I hear and read, the more it looks like this shooting was justified. Let's hope the courts and police can keep politics out of the investigation. Namely Governor Nixon. He's an idiot.

And Eric Holder...

Quote:Where have I suggested that? In the cases of aurora and newton police didn't need tanks mrap grenade launchers and such.


I'd also argue both of those tragedies where avoidable they happened in gun free zones and states with heavy restrictions on private citizens carrying. One again a militarized police force was helpless to do anything to save those lives.

 

You seem to be under the impression that these police are armed with military munitions.  Those "grenade launchers" launch smoke grenades.  These armored vehicles are just armored vehicles... There are no 50 caliber machine guns mounted and they aren't carrying ordinances.  They are for the protection of officers.

 

In previous posts, you seem to have a problem with police wearing riot gear during riots.  Makes sense...

Quote:And Eric Holder...

Yeah...why is he there meeting with the family of the felon?? What kind of message is that sending?

Quote:You seem to be under the impression that these police are armed with military munitions. Those "grenade launchers" launch smoke grenades. These armored vehicles are just armored vehicles... There are no 50 caliber machine guns mounted and they aren't carrying ordinances. They are for the protection of officers.


In previous posts, you seem to have a problem with police wearing riot gear during riots. Makes sense...

Police officers in fact do carry ordinances, or enforce them rather. Now ordnance...


Yeah, yeah, I know. I couldn't let the irony pass.

Quote:Yeah...why is he there meeting with the family of the felon?? What kind of message is that sending?

The same one that Jay I'll-say-anything-to-pander-for-votes Nixon is sending.

Quote:The same one that Jay I'll-say-anything-to-pander-for-votes Nixon is sending.

Very true.



Seems like everyone involved in the situation has an agenda...and it ain't about finding the truth.

Quote:You seem to be under the impression that these police are armed with military munitions.  Those "grenade launchers" launch smoke grenades.  These armored vehicles are just armored vehicles... There are no 50 caliber machine guns mounted and they aren't carrying ordinances.  They are for the protection of officers.

 

In previous posts, you seem to have a problem with police wearing riot gear during riots.  Makes sense...

 

They have Fully Automatic M16 that's military munitions. Cobb county Georgia has a fully functional Amphibious tank that's military munitions. Fargo North Dakota's APC is mounted with a rotating turret that's military munitions. I can go on and on the MRAP anyway you put it is military munitions. That's assuming this military grade gear will always be used the way it's intended, but I'd ask you to point at any time in history where a militarized police force WASN'T used to impose a form of martial law on the public.

 

Rule of thumb, if ANY government institution has the ability to abuse power, it eventually will.

Quote:Yeah...why is he there meeting with the family of the felon?? What kind of message is that sending?

 

Holder is just make sure no crisis goes to waste. Riots and unrest in urban communities justifies the establishments 1033 program and militarization program.

Quote:Very true.



Seems like everyone involved in the situation has an agenda...and it ain't about finding the truth.

 

You've just hit the nail squarely on the head.  It's not about the truth, and it's not about justice. 

Quote:Yeah...why is he there meeting with the family of the felon?? What kind of message is that sending?

 

To those of us outside of Ferguson?  Race before justice. 

 

Holder is no better than Sharpton or Jackson showing up there.  He just carries a bigger stick with which to force the system to do as he wishes.  There's a rumor out last night that there's a strong possibility the grand jury won't indict the cop.  His presence there is meant to assure that doesn't happen.  Indicting him is the top priority right now to pander to a certain segment of society.  The ultimate outcome of any trial may still wind up finding the officer not guilty, at which point it won't matter because they've done their job.  They've stirred up more unrest. 

Eric Holder is a race baiter.  He wants these riots, and he's happy to see them.  

Quote:Police officers in fact do carry ordinances, or enforce them rather. Now ordnance...


Yeah, yeah, I know. I couldn't let the irony pass.

 

Knuck knuck knuck.

Quote:Eric Holder is a race baiter.  He wants these riots, and he's happy to see them.  

 

They are happy to see the riots in Ferguson as a welcome distraction from the other failures of this administration.  It's like manna from heaven. 

Quote:They have Fully Automatic M16 that's military munitions. Cobb county Georgia has a fully functional Amphibious tank that's military munitions. Fargo North Dakota's APC is mounted with a rotating turret that's military munitions. I can go on and on the MRAP anyway you put it is military munitions. That's assuming this military grade gear will always be used the way it's intended, but I'd ask you to point at any time in history where a militarized police force WASN'T used to impose a form of martial law on the public.

 

Rule of thumb, if ANY government institution has the ability to abuse power, it eventually will.

 

M4, not M16.  

 

That you think automatic weapon fire is military munitions is funny.  Basically, you are against police having armor and automatic weapons?  Again, how are police supposed to suppress an active shooter situation without tactically superior weapons? 

 

Reports are that molotav cocktails are being made and thrown in Ferguson.  Granted, it hasn't become a huge problem yet, but what happens when it does become a problem?  What happens if rioters start launching homemade cocktails regularly and using homemade bombs?  Police are supposed to let the rioters occupy an entire city and wait for the National Guard to come in and militarize the city as a battlefield?  That you feel that police shouldn't meet force with force, is a little shocking.  Make no mistake, a mob of 300 plus people is a significant show of force.

Quote:M4, not M16.  

 

That you think automatic weapon fire is military munitions is funny.  Basically, you are against police having armor and automatic weapons?  Again, how are police supposed to suppress an active shooter situation without tactically superior weapons? 

 

Reports are that molotav cocktails are being made and thrown in Ferguson.  Granted, it hasn't become a huge problem yet, but what happens when it does become a problem?  What happens if rioters start launching homemade cocktails regularly and using homemade bombs?  Police are supposed to let the rioters occupy an entire city and wait for the National Guard to come in and militarize the city as a battlefield?  That you feel that police shouldn't meet force with force, is a little shocking.  Make no mistake, a mob of 300 plus people is a significant show of force.

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A mob of 300 people is not the local police responsibility that's what the national guard is for. If and when there was civil unrest with police being targeted with bombs and cocktails, then you could address that specific area of concern. Maybe the solution would be to bring in the National Guard for a time like in Fergesun, but to assume police across America need MRAP's, APC, M4's, Grenade Launchers, Body Armor and so on is ludicrous. It enforces the viewpoint that's being drilled into them from the federal level America is a War Zone. It's the same justification that's been used to pass legislation such as the NDAA where the President (any president) has the power to detain and or assassinate American Citizens deemed a threat to the state! 

Quote:The more I hear and read, the more it looks like this shooting was justified. Let's hope the courts and police can keep politics out of the investigation. Namely Governor Nixon. He's an idiot.

 

They won't convict him. It's all part of a big picture manufactured crisis. They'll with hold evidence that proves he's innocent from the public to incite riots from the race hustlers. Put him on trial where he'll be found not guilty when all the evidence that's not made public is disclosed, then the riots begin and roll in the justification for a militarized police force.

Quote:They won't convict him. It's all part of a big picture manufactured crisis. They'll with hold evidence that proves he's innocent from the public to incite riots from the race hustlers. Put him on trial where he'll be found not guilty when all the evidence that's not made public is disclosed, then the riots begin and roll in the justification for a militarized police force.

They shouldn't even indict him if the reports are correct, but they're going to be pressured into doing so because of Holder et al. 

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A mob of 300 people is not the local police responsibility that's what the national guard is for. If and when there was civil unrest with police being targeted with bombs and cocktails, then you could address that specific area of concern. Maybe the solution would be to bring in the National Guard for a time like in Fergesun, but to assume police across America need MRAP's, APC, M4's, Grenade Launchers, Body Armor and so on is ludicrous. It enforces the viewpoint that's being drilled into them from the federal level America is a War Zone. It's the same justification that's been used to pass legislation such as the NDAA where the President (any president) has the power to detain and or assassinate American Citizens deemed a threat to the state! 

If the governor drags his feet on bringing in the National Guard, who is responsible? 

 

Local law enforcement doesn't step aside and not lend assistance in maintaining the peace because the National Guard is on the ground.  They coordinate their efforts. 

Quote:They shouldn't even indict him if the reports are correct, but they're going to be pressured into doing so because of Holder et al. 

 

Holder has to indict him to let him off, other wise this would all go away, and that's the last thing Holder wants. Holder want's to be able to say, we indicted him and the jury let him off because America is unjust and unfair.