Quote:That's sensationalism right there. There is no online military weapons Amazon for police departments. JSO can't just fill out a 1 page form and get an F-16 with sidewinder missiles in 14 days.
If you want your police force to be less armed than groups of the populace go take a look at Mexico and tell me how that's going. Welcome to a world of strong arming and corruption.
How much more evidence do you need? I've given you at least half a dozen articles going into detail who has what but at this point you just don't want to believe it. I guess on this subject we will just disagree. In case you want more verification here's some more links.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whi...96948.html
http://time.com/2907307/aclu-swat-local-police/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...apons.html
Fargo ND has a personal delivery vehicle with a mounted rotating turret
There's a county in Texas that has two military pilot less surveillance drones from the 1033 program.
Add to ALL of this the red light cameras, security cameras, air traffic surveillance, check points and damn it you've got a police state. But don't worry just do as the government says and you have nothing to worry about people.
Quote:How much more evidence do you need? I've given you at least half a dozen articles going into detail who has what but at this point you just don't want to believe it. I guess on this subject we will just disagree. In case you want more verification here's some more links.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whi...96948.html
http://time.com/2907307/aclu-swat-local-police/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...apons.html
Fargo ND has a personal delivery vehicle with a mounted rotating turret
There's a county in Texas that has two military pilot less surveillance drones from the 1033 program.
Add to ALL of this the red light cameras, security cameras, air traffic surveillance, check points and damn it you've got a police state. But don't worry just do as the government says and you have nothing to worry about people.
Or you could just neuter your government and you know, not the capabilities of your police.
Like I said, if you want to see what happens when police are less armed than the populace, go visit Chihuahua, Mexico. Go stand in front of a police precinct while its under attack and police officers are gunned down. Then go call the police when your house is broken into and see if they even have anybody left who hasn't been killed or quit to send your way.
Quote:Or you could just neuter your government and you know, not the capabilities of your police.
Like I said, if you want to see what happens when police are less armed than the populace, go visit Chihuahua, Mexico. Go stand in front of a police precinct while its under attack and police officers are gunned down. Then go call the police when your house is broken into and see if they even have anybody left who hasn't been killed or quit to send your way.
Mexico's problem is the gun restrictions on the citizens. They outlawed and confiscated firearms a long time ago leaving the public helpless against Cartels. Add to that the police are completely bought and paid for by the cartels and you could give them tanks and would accomplish nothing.
Quote:Mexico's problem is the gun restrictions on the citizens. They outlawed and confiscated firearms a long time ago leaving the public helpless against Cartels. Add to that the police are completely bought and paid for by the cartels and you could give them tanks and would accomplish nothing.
How does the citizens not having weapons have anything to do with the cartels attacking police stations in broad daylight and taking over cities? You know those police that are bought and paid for? Most of them aren't just offered money and they say, "Ok, lets do this." What actually happens is they are threatened by the cartels and the choice is either get paid to do their bidding or you and your family will be decapitated. You have zero clue about the politics of Mexico.
If the police were better armed than the cartels, there would be no attacks on police stations and hostile occupations of entire cities.
Quote:How does the citizens not having weapons have anything to do with the cartels attacking police stations in broad daylight and taking over cities? You know those police that are bought and paid for? Most of them aren't just offered money and they say, "Ok, lets do this." What actually happens is they are threatened by the cartels and the choice is either get paid to do their bidding or you and your family will be decapitated. You have zero clue about the politics of Mexico.
If the police were better armed than the cartels, there would be no attacks on police stations and hostile occupations of entire cities.
The Cartels are only as powerful as they are because of government bribes, they own half of the country conservatively. In areas where the Farmers didn't disarm the cartel isn't nearly as strong.
A disarmed populace has a direct effect in a stronger criminal organization.
Quote:The Cartels are only as powerful as they are because of government bribes, they own half of the country conservatively. In areas where the Farmers didn't disarm the cartel isn't nearly as strong.
A disarmed populace has a direct effect in a stronger criminal organization.
Like I said, the government bribes aren't a choice of money or no money. It's a choice of money or the brutal murder of you and everyone you love. The government can't do anything about it BECAUSE the cartels are better armed than they are. There's been entire caravans of a dozen AFI agents in full combat gear that have been ambushed and murdered by the cartels. The cartels then had the time to pick up their own dead and wounded and leave at their own discretion because there was nobody that could come and help.
There are dozens of cities where there is no longer a police force because they've all been exterminated. Police chiefs in Mexico that aren't in the pocket of cartels die in short order.
Quote:In areas where the Farmers didn't disarm the cartel isn't nearly as strong.
What are you talking about? Clueless much?
The cartels own whatever they want to own in Mexico. A farmer with a handgun will not stop 20 Zetas with military training from killing him and his family if they so choose.
I'm all for an armed populace, but that isn't going to help Mexico any at this point. Organized crime has become too powerful.
Quote:Like I said, the government bribes aren't a choice of money or no money. It's a choice of money or the brutal murder of you and everyone you love. The government can't do anything about it BECAUSE the cartels are better armed than they are. There's been entire caravans of a dozen AFI agents in full combat gear that have been ambushed and murdered by the cartels. The cartels then had the time to pick up their own dead and wounded and leave at their own discretion because there was nobody that could come and help.
There are dozens of cities where there is no longer a police force because they've all been exterminated. Police chiefs in Mexico that aren't in the pocket of cartels die in short order.
I'm not denying that, but how did the cartels become so powerful, go back and look at the history of the cartels. Also worth mentioning many of the cartels firepower comes directly from the United States government, aka Fast and Furious and the programs before it.
The problem TODAY in Mexico is the police are out numbered and out gunned. That problem didn't start with the police being out gunned, it started with a criminal organization able to control cities of disarmed citizens. The Cartels where able to make essentially slaves out of cities of disarmed public and drive massive profits selling narcotics in the United States. They then used that money to buy government officials and military grade weapons. The politicians they didn't buy they killed and no you have the modern day Mexico.
Without a disarmed populace you wouldn't have had the capture of countless cities to convert into slave camps and make them money.
Quote:I'm not denying that, but how did the cartels become so powerful, go back and look at the history of the cartels. Also worth mentioning many of the cartels firepower comes directly from the United States government, aka Fast and Furious and the programs before it.
The problem TODAY in Mexico is the police are out numbered and out gunned. That problem didn't start with the police being out gunned, it started with a criminal organization able to control cities of disarmed citizens. The Cartels where able to make essentially slaves out of cities of disarmed public and drive massive profits selling narcotics in the United States. They then used that money to buy government officials and military grade weapons. The politicians they didn't buy they killed and no you have the modern day Mexico.
Without a disarmed populace you wouldn't have had the capture of countless cities to convert into slave camps and make them money.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
"The problem today in Mexico the police are out numbered and out gunned."
Nobody is denying an armed populace would have helped prevent the power rise of the cartels. I'm as pro 2nd amendment as anyone else. However, it wouldn't have stopped the cartels. The cartels rose from small, rural areas where they were the most powerful entities in town.
Quote:Michoacan isn't a plaza, man. Go organize a militia in one of the cartel's plazas and see if they last a week.
They're doing better than anyone else in Mexico. The cartel did have a presence there that's why the militia was formed to push them out, and push them out they did. The Mexican government then went in to demobilize them for using "illegal" weapons. They refused to disarm and are still standing as of today.
Quote:They're doing better than anyone else in Mexico. The cartel did have a presence there that's why the militia was formed to push them out, and push them out they did. The Mexican government then went in to demobilize them for using "illegal" weapons. They refused to disarm and are still standing as of today.
They are in a rural area that the cartels don't give a flip about. If the cartel wanted to exterminate those militias, they could do it in a heartbeat. Let's be real here.
Quote:They are in a rural area that the cartels don't give a flip about. If the cartel wanted to exterminate those militias, they could do it in a heartbeat. Let's be real here.
You just said there was no one resisting the cartels a few post ago? Let's be real, it's not a militarized police force that prevents organizations from becoming as powerful as the cartels, it's an armed populace.
Quote:You just said there was no one resisting the cartels a few post ago? Let's be real, it's not a militarized police force that prevents organizations from becoming as powerful as the cartels, it's an armed populace.
Where did I say that?
There are lots of people resisting the cartels, but nobody is winning because they are outgunned and outnumbered.
It's not possible for civilians to win a war against the cartels. First of all, they don't have anywhere near the money the cartels do. Secondly, they aren't nearly as well armed. Thirdly, they aren't nearly as well organized. The cartels are #2 in Mexico's gdp. They are better funded than the United States' federal law enforcement.
If they want to beat the cartels all they have to do is ask us. But they don't because all that's left of their government is owned by the cartels already.
Autopsy shows Brown was shot at least 6 times including twice in the head...seems legit.
I have no clue if it's legit or not, but it only takes about a second to squeeze off 6 shots.
Quote:Autopsy shows Brown was shot at least 6 times including twice in the head...seems legit.
The eyewitness said he was shot in the back while his hands were up. No shots were in his back.
I also listened to a video this morning of an eyewitness (not on the film) talking about what actually happened and how he got shot. It had nothing to do with the kid walking away with his hands in the air.
I understand the underlying issue for why people are mad and this is the tip of the iceberg for people, but a video I watched was a large group of people watching him lie there. They all jumped to a conclusion that he was walking away and was just shot for no reason. Almost everything everyone said was, "I heard...." I couldn't imagine being in that situation or being one of those people. I would want answers too, but if that cop gets off, it's only going to get worse because people think he's guilty already.
If he did do what they said, the guy deserves to be in jail for life. I'm just not so sure it happened that way.
Quote:The eyewitness said he was shot in the back while his hands were up. No shots were in his back.
I also listened to a video this morning of an eyewitness (not on the film) talking about what actually happened and how he got shot. It had nothing to do with the kid walking away with his hands in the air.
I understand the underlying issue for why people are mad and this is the tip of the iceberg for people, but a video I watched was a large group of people watching him lie there. They all jumped to a conclusion that he was walking away and was just shot for no reason. Almost everything everyone said was, "I heard...." I couldn't imagine being in that situation or being one of those people. I would want answers too, but if that cop gets off, it's only going to get worse because people think he's guilty already.
If he did do what they said, the guy deserves to be in jail for life. I'm just not so sure it happened that way.
There's an audio account that indicates he was basically bum rushing the cop when he was shot. The autopsy backs that up despite what the eyewitness, the guy he was with when they strong armed the convenience store owner indicated. The feds are so determined to prove the science wrong that Eric Holder has ordered a third autopsy be performed by a federal forensic specialist. I'm pretty sure they'll find the same thing about the entry wounds.