Quote:I think the fact Cleveland traded down immediately after the Bortles pick is instructive.
One of the reasons teams trade down is because they want more picks, though Cleveland didn't get any picks this year aside from the 9 they swapped from Buffalo.
But another reason teams trade down is because the guy they want to take is off the board.
Cleveland needed a QB.
Bortles was taken right before their pick.
They traded down.
But, but, but, WE could have made that deal! Right?
Quote:We had a lot of Tom Coughlin's players in key positions still on the team. As they vanished the team's fortunes changed.
In our last playoff season, 2007, we still had about ten TC players and these were the core of our team.
Shack also added Pro Bowler Rashean Mathis, G Vince Manuwai, LB Darryl Smith, S Deon Grant, LB Mike Peterson, etc.
Don't act as though Shack had nothing to do with the team's ascent to the playoffs.
Quote:He's no Garrard or Gabbert. Both were thrown to the wolves in their rookie year. Caldwell has said: ''We can't just throw him out there. We've seen what happens when that happens." Bortles will be what Brunell was when Beurlein fell to the way side. If one remembers, he and Favre we're considered throw aways. Look what happened: Brunell led the team to a hair's breath of making history, and [Brett] Favre led the Packers to at least 4 Super Bowls. Caldwell even said of "Jadeveon Clowney would have fallen to No. 3, ''we still would have made this pick.'"
So be patient. This guy will be what this team needs. I'm more than sure of it. There's a Super Bowl in the near future.
Besides, he's not a Keyshawn or those others saying, "Me. Me. Me. to hell with the team."
WOW!!! This type of logic is why the front office gets away with this crap
Quote:No, Oakland has not. Both those teams have records of epic futility since the turn of the century. The Jaguars only got terrible under Gene Smith. We're on the way back under Caldwell.
Gruden took Tampa to a Super Bowl vs Oakland
Quote:But, but, but, WE could have made that deal! Right?
Well yeah we probably could have made that deal.
But we'd miss out on Bortles.
Quote:This has the potential to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on this board.
No, wait. I was wrong. This one certainly has some potential.
Wow a guy who has supported the worst team in football possibly insulting someone who disagrees witht the decision makers. Your record shows that the way we are/have been doing this does not work
And how do block people again? This dude ozes ignorance
Quote:He's no Garrard or Gabbert. Both were thrown to the wolves in their rookie year. Caldwell has said: ''We can't just throw him out there. We've seen what happens when that happens." Bortles will be what Brunell was when Beurlein fell to the way side. If one remembers, he and Favre we're considered throw aways. Look what happened: Brunell led the team to a hair's breath of making history, and [Brett] Favre led the Packers to at least 4 Super Bowls. Caldwell even said of "Jadeveon Clowney would have fallen to No. 3, ''we still would have made this pick.'"
So be patient. This guy will be what this team needs. I'm more than sure of it. There's a Super Bowl in the near future.
Besides, he's not a Keyshawn or those others saying, "Me. Me. Me. to hell with the team."
This is not correct. Garrard was drafted by Tom Coughlin in 2002. He was the heir to Mark Brunell, and Quinn Gray was the spare. Bryon Leftwich came in 2003 and threw himself to the wolves.
Gabbert was screwed from day one. For one thing, he wasn't Tim Tebow.
Put yourself in Gabbert's place. His first three NFL seasons were nothing short of Groundhog Day.
Year One - New coach. New offense. New offensive coaching. No veteran QB.
Year Two - New coach. New offense. New offensive coaching. Chad Henne.
Year Three - New coach. New offense. New offensive coaching. Chad Henne.
Blaine essentially faced three rookie seasons in a row.
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Plus, a media more than happy to fuel a bunch of angry Gator fans and Tebots. Plus, Gabbert found himself carrying way too much pressure as the Jaguars became a completely unstable franchise when Weaver sold.
The media has really screwed us all. They are the ones that keep foiling anything and everything. If it weren't for Frenette and his clan of dipsticks, we'd still have Coach Coughlin and who knows how many Super Bowl titles?
Quote:I rarely come to the board for the same reason. The blind homers think that this 4-12 team is so great. We didnt sign one difference maker in free agency. Beadles is overpaid to be avg at best
This is ridiculous. Nobody is saying this team is "so great." If you honestly think that, you're really supporting the view that the smarts are not strong in you.
You're one of those fans who needs big names to be wowed in order to think the team is doing enough to turn the corner. That's fine. You're going to be eternally disappointed, as Caldwell comes out of a philosophy that is more focused on building through the draft, and not through free agency.
You're whining the team didn't make any significant moves in free agency, and targeting Beadles as being overpaid. His contract was in line with what you'd expect to pay a guy of his caliber, and he came from the best offensive line in the entire league. Yeah, what a stupid move THAT was, right?
You conveniently ignore the good moves the team made to improve the defensive line, and you also ignore the fact that the contracts weren't exactly blockbusters there.
Quote:I can agree and respect fans like you. Its the guys who thinks that anyone who disagrees with one of the worst franchises in the league is a idiot. I am still a Jags fan. I just would like to compete and be nationally relevant
No, it's not about competing and being "nationally relevant" for you. It's about signing big names you recognize.
Quote:All of them will be better than the clown we picked
Ok, you need to share the crystal ball you have. I have some lotteries that need winning.
Quote:Maybe the m stands for mother as in you figure the rest out
You and your mother? Ok. No shocker. You're a negative whiner. Some here are just being optimistic this turns out. No one knows if the pick was bad or good. It'll take time. To just keep harping on how this is the worst team, worst pick demonstrates that you and your mother may be an item. No one else could bear being around a whiny naysayer.
You say you're a Jag fan? Might want to leave fan out and replace it with troll.
Lesser men that get demolished in arguments always resort to getting mad. Mtownjag is very upset.
Quote:This is not correct. Garrard was drafted by Tom Coughlin in 2002. He was the heir to Mark Brunell, and Quinn Gray was the spare. Bryon Leftwich came in 2003 and threw himself to the wolves.
Gabbert was screwed from day one. For one thing, he wasn't Tim Tebow.
Put yourself in Gabbert's place. His first three NFL seasons were nothing short of Groundhog Day.
Year One - New coach. New offense. New offensive coaching. No veteran QB.
Year Two - New coach. New offense. New offensive coaching. Chad Henne.
Year Three - New coach. New offense. New offensive coaching. Chad Henne.
Blaine essentially faced three rookie seasons in a row. Plus, a media more than happy to fuel a bunch of angry Gator fans and Tebots. Plus, Gabbert found himself carrying way too much pressure as the Jaguars became a completely unstable franchise when Weaver sold.
The media has really screwed us all. They are the ones that keep foiling anything and everything. If it weren't for Frenette and his clan of dipsticks, we'd still have Coach Coughlin and who knows how many Super Bowl titles?
Well, all of this is ancient history.
We're now in the 2nd year with the same GM, coach, and coordinators. It's the first time we've shown any level of stability since before Gabbert was drafted.
I don't disagree that Gabbert was thrown under the bus. But again, that's in the past. He's gone. So are the guys who broke him.
As far as the media is concerned, if they influenced anything, it was the sheep fans. They stoked the flames when Coughlin was here, but they weren't the idiots who came to games at the end of his tenure booing him and the team every chance they could, calling into shows and writing letters to the editor demanding Coughlin be fired. That was the fans who were spoon fed that negativity, and they took it and ran with it. You're more than welcome to blame the media, but there are fans out there who allowed those reports to dictate the way they dealt with the team.
Regardless of where you stand on the Bortles pick, this pitchfork and torch mentality of immediately blasting the team without allowing ANYTHING to play out on the field is nothing more than the same kind of mindset that got Coughlin fired and put Gabbert behind the 8 ball. You're referencing those items, but you're doing the exact same thing here. Is it that difficult to practice a little restraint and wait to see what actually happens where Bortles is concerned? Or, is it better to go with the knee jerk reaction the way the anti-Coughlin/Gabbert crowd did from the start?
Quote:Gruden took Tampa to a Super Bowl vs Oakland
After checking, you're right on that one. On the other hand, my overall point about the Raiders is correct. Other than that 3 years stretch, the Raiders were Lion-esque for the last 30 years with 3-4 good seasons sprinkled in since 85.
Quote:Well yeah we probably could have made that deal.
But we'd miss out on Bortles.
I get that.
The difference here between fans like you and I vs. the folks who are ready to impale themselves over drafting Bortles is that some of us are willing to let this thing play itself out. We're going to be labeled apologists or whatever tag these whiners come up with because we're not joining them in burning down the house over the pick. We're open to seeing if what Caldwell, Bradley, and their entire scouting/coaching staff saw in Bortles actually pans out on the field.
Bortles was regularly in the discussion as a top QB pick i this draft, and was even projected to go to Houston in a few venues with the first pick. So, all of this anger over this selection is silly. The team had a need at QB for the long term. Every fan of this team knew this. The front office grabbed one of the top prospects. Without playing a single snap, or participating in one practice, some here have already deemed the guy a bust.
What happens if he's not? I'm fairly certain those who are whining today are going to dig their heels in and if he starts to show he's worthy of the selection, they will continue to nitpick and harp on minor things he doesn't do the way they would prefer. One thing we can be certain of is that the malcontents are always going to find something to complain about.
In the end, we've gotten one of the top QB prospects in the draft. Not a single poster on this board knows what the future holds for him. He may succeed, or he could fail miserably. We won't know this until he's actually allowed to get on the field and prove himself one way or the other. Some of us get this. Others prefer to go with the knee jerk reaction. Those of us preaching patience are lambasted, while the knee jerk crowd somehow thinks they hold the high ground.
Man Gabbert broke a lot of your hearts
Quote:And how do block people again? This dude ozes ignorance
You have to go up under your preferences in the top right. Click on your login name and find ignore preferences in the drop down.
Though seriously, there should be an ignore button right next to a posters name on every post. Given how frequently you need that feature, it could use a little more prominence.
Quote:Stupidity runneth over.
This is why I rarely visit the board, because you are correct in what you said. It's maroons (Bugs Bunny) like these infantile couch potatoes that have already had a negative impact on the euphoria some of the folks down in Central Florida had for this pick. My kids have friends who graduated from UCF and I was able to see several links on Facebook where many initially said they would now be Jags fans and later, after seeing so much vitriol, said same old Jax, a bunch of buffoons. I was livid when the Jags took Reggie Williams in 2004 and let Ben Roethlisberger go 2 picks later to the Steelers. Bortles can learn for a year without having a baptism by fire like Gabbert. I wonder how Gabbert would have panned out if he had been able to mature behind a qb like Brett Favre. Aaron Rogers turned out pretty good too.
Quote:Man Gabbert broke a lot of your hearts
Leftwich
Garrard
McCown
Gabbert
That's a lot of pain to endure over the course of a decade.
It's a new day, and it remains to be seen what we've got in Bortles. Hopefully this front office does a better job of evaluating QB talent, and the coaching staff does a solid job of helping this pick to achieve his maximum potential.
Quote:Leftwich
Garrard
McCown
Gabbert
That's a lot of pain to endure over the course of a decade.
It's a new day, and it remains to be seen what we've got in Bortles. Hopefully this front office does a better job of evaluating QB talent, and the coaching staff does a solid job of helping this pick to achieve his maximum potential.
This is not the correct way to go about this.
The sky is falling and everything is bad. You are supposed to be negative until proven otherwise, thats the best way to live life.