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I’d imagine if it were Meyer he could’ve asked them to wait until his prior arrangements, like being in the booth or on the telecast for the Natty tonight, to be completed as to not take away from that event.

What about Byron? How ironic if we hired him to lead us to the promise land?

(01-11-2021, 07:00 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-11-2021, 06:51 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]1.  Schwartz has reportedly said he's sitting out this year.

2.  So what?!?  Why penalize him because his division sucked?!?  He has surpassed the remainder of the league when he won the Super Bowl.

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So a losing season outweighs a Super Bowl?

No it doesn't. And if you told me he'd get us a SB and then bomb, I'd take it all day. I just don't see where he made the team any better. He got the SB and then continually made questionable decisions and his players regressed. Sidney Jones is a prime example, he played much better after leaving. How much influence he had on all of that and everything is admittedly above my football IQ. But I question whether he just "lucked" into that SB by Wentz and Foles having out of body QB experiences or if it's because of how well he coached

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I can't guarantee a Super Bowl with Pederson.  I couldn't guarantee a Super Bowl with anyone.

But I defy you to look at the challenges this team faces and identify an available coach more openly qualified than Pederson.

Pederson has won at the NFL level as a head coach.

Has Meyer?

Has Bienemy?

Has Smith?

Pederson has a proven track record of developing QBs. at the NFL level.

Has  Meyer?

Has Bienemy?

Has Smith?

Are there some squestions about Pederson?  Perhaps.

Are the questions you have for Pederson seriously more daunting or troubling than they are for any of the other candidates?

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(01-11-2021, 08:09 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]What about Byron? How ironic if we hired him to lead us to the promise land?

It would be shocking.

I don't see him wanting to return here, and I wouldn't see him as a popular choice here.

(01-11-2021, 07:33 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-11-2021, 07:24 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Bullseye, I think there' s better than a 50 % chance that one of the other teams looking for a HC will hire Pederson as HC in the coming days or weeks, unless Pederson decides to take a year off from coaching.  Using the reasons and expectations you mentioned as the foundation of the decision. 

I would be very surprised though if it was the Lions or Texans that hired Pederson as HC.  In the Lions case,  because of the locker room problems when Matt Patricia was HC. With the Texans,  because of the current distrust Deshaun Watson has with ownership. 

While I think hiring Pederson would be a mistake by the Jaguars, Jets, Chargers, or Falcons, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if any of those 4 teams hired him as HC.

Now that's another issue entirely.

Of course iti's a good chance the Jaguars won't hire Pederson for whatever reasons.

Perhaps Khan has his heart set on Meyer.

Perhaps Pederson has no interest in coaching here.

Perhaps Pederson will be more persuaded by another team.

Perhaps Pederson has no interested in coaching this year after what transpired in Philly.

But if Khan is interested in winning....if Khan is interested in maximizing the production out of the franchise QB the team has lacked, it behooves him to interview the coaches that have proven able to get the most out of that position.  It behooves Khan to interview those who have won at the NFL level.  That means interviewing Pederson.

If Doug Pederson wants to be an NFL HC this year, I believe he would be very interested coaching the Jaguars if he's comfortable with the Jaguars GM choice.   

The Jets might be at top of Peterson's wish list because of his connection with GM Joe Douglas from their days with the Eagles.  Whether Pederson wants to coach in the NY Metropolitan Area, after being in the frying pan in Philadelphia, could well be the key to whether he would accept a HC offer from the Jets.?

The Falcons could be plenty appealing to Pederson because they have an owner ( Arthur Blank ) who has a good overall track record of winning. The Falcons are run like a first class operation. The one negative is their problematic salary cap situation.

The LA Chargers have plenty of talent and Justin Herbert looks he will be a legit Franchise QB.  The major question mark is the Chargers are the opposite of the Falcons when it comes to ownership. Playing decisions are often made based on contract, not performance.  I strongly disagree with the opinion that many have, that the Chargers are at or near the top of the best NFL HC openings.  I would put them near the bottom.  Dean Spanos fired Marty Schottenheimer after a 14-2 season. A decision that contributed greatly to the eventual end of the San Diego Chargers.  If Pederson becomes Chargers HC,  I think he will regret the decision within a year.

I think any team looking for a head coach should definitely consider Pederson. 3 playoffs, 1 Super Bowl in 5 years. And his Super Bowl run was with a back up.

(01-11-2021, 07:41 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-11-2021, 07:04 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Winning was that important to the players on the Eagles.  

I agree that Doug Pederson did plenty of good coaching under far less than ideal circumstances during his time as Eagles HC.  Yet,  unless Pederson has the trust of team leaders, he's highly likely going to fail as an NFL HC moving forward.  

Now that he has been fired, screw whether he continues to have the trust of Eagles' team leaders  Obviously, Wentz, who SHOULD have been a team leader, didn't have Pederson's trust.  If those team leaders were on that 2017 team,  I wonder how betrayed they feel every time they look at or think about that Super Bowl ring.

The thing is, a player disagreeing with a coach's decision is inevitable over the course of a season.  A receiver felt he should have been the first read on a play.  A runner thinks he should get more carries.  A benchwarmer thinks he should get more playing time.  Players think they should have gone for it on 4th and short.  What ISN'T inevitable is coaching a team to a Super Bowl win.  Pederson accomplished that, with some of the same players supposedly complaining about him now.  I think there was some power struggle between Roseman and Pederson over Wentz.  Lurie sided with Roseman.

If contract offers are relatively close, the Eagles team leaders could be the difference in whether UFAs with more than one option decide not to sign with the team that Doug Pederson is the HC. 

 Even with Pederson being a primary reason why many current Eagles team leaders have Super Bowl rings, often, bad experiences people have override good experiences.  That much more when the bad experiences are recent.   If Pederson sits out a year or is an Assistant Coach in 2021, I think he likely will be a much better NFL HC option than he is in the present coaching cycle.

I think the whole situation that just unfolded with the owner of philly and Pederson could be the biggest deterrent for khan. Before this year, with khan being almost an absentee owner, I would have said he’s a perfect fit. But now that it appears khan wants to be more hands on, I don’t see Pederson being the guy.

(01-11-2021, 08:52 PM)JagsorDie Wrote: [ -> ]I think the whole situation that just unfolded with the owner of philly and Pederson could be the biggest deterrent for khan. Before this year, with khan being almost an absentee owner,  I would have said he’s a perfect fit. But now that it appears khan wants to be more hands on, I don’t see Pederson being the guy.

Sadly I could see things unfolding this way.

(01-11-2021, 09:08 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-11-2021, 08:52 PM)JagsorDie Wrote: [ -> ]I think the whole situation that just unfolded with the owner of philly and Pederson could be the biggest deterrent for khan. Before this year, with khan being almost an absentee owner,  I would have said he’s a perfect fit. But now that it appears khan wants to be more hands on, I don’t see Pederson being the guy.

Sadly I could see things unfolding this way.

I’m also under the impression this didn’t come as big of a surprise to Doug as it did us and the media. I wouldn’t be surprised if Doug hadn’t already explored some options off the record in advance. His relationship with NYJ gm being the main example that is surfacing.


If this is the case I don’t know if we were ever really going to be a huge contender to land him.

Just my two cents.

(01-11-2021, 07:34 PM)ColoJag Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently if we hire Meyer he is bringing Ash on as a DC

I think Texas ran a 3-4 under Ash, so at least there’s that.

(01-11-2021, 08:09 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]What about Byron? How ironic if we hired him to lead us to the promise land?

Keenan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Leftwich

Did someone actually recommend Pederson? This guy should be blackballed from coaching again after that stunt he pulled against Washington in week 17.

(01-12-2021, 12:18 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Did someone actually recommend Pederson? This guy should be blackballed from coaching again after that stunt he pulled against Washington in week 17.

Apparently he didn't like Eagles leadership telling him what to do.

(01-11-2021, 06:02 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-11-2021, 03:21 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. 

Any NFL team looking for a HC would be making an enormous mistake if they hired Doug Pederson as HC this winter. The Eagles had to move on.

In a rare instance, I strongly disagree with you, D6.

Pederson checks way too many boxes for him to be anything other than the highest choice at this point.

1.  He has had proven, recent NFL success.  He won the freaking Super Bowl for the 2017 season.  Newsflash:  That is the main thing missing from the Jaguars.

2.  He is an offensive guy.  Everyone says they want an offensive guy here.  He is from the Andy Reid coaching tree.He played QB under Reid.

3.  He has a proven recent history of developing QBs.  He developed Carson Wentz into an MVP candidate in 2017.  He got a Super Bowl title out of Nick Foles.

4.  He knows he needs a strong defensive coordinator.  He hired Jim Schwartz when he was with the Eagles in the first place.  With Schwartz sitting out this year, he knows he will need a strong defensive mind to make the team balanced.
5.  He knows how to utilize the TE in the offense.  Our Jaguars have never really had anything close to a dominant receiving threat at TE in our history.

Even if you blame the Eagles subsequent collapse entirely on him (from what I've read, there is plenty of blame to go around), his tenure with the Eagles exceeds every coach here.  If he were to replicate his tenure here in its entirety, I'd take it because we'd win a Super Bowl.  But if we protect Lawrence, better, we get more from him than the Eagles got from Wentz.  Lurie's own words"  "Pederson did not deserve to be fired."

Pederson's availability changes everything.

Go bring him in, Khan.

I think the biggest argument against is what the team did once Reich left. Wentz, albeit coming back from injury, regressed, and ended up in a very public standoff between he and his coach. Add to that his DC is not an option to follow along.

Whether justified or not, the court of public opinion plays a factor here, too. If players thought he tanked, benched players without merit, or just projected as abrasive, that's going to hinder your ability to draw free agents. He'll be a head coach again, but I think he needs a cooling off period to let some of this dust settle. He'll probably get a job as a coordinator for a while, and if he regains favor with the players he coaches, he'll be in the running then.

TC scarred me, ain't no way in Hades I even have him under consideration.

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(01-11-2021, 06:26 PM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-11-2021, 03:21 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. 

Any NFL team looking for a HC would be making an enormous mistake if they hired Doug Pederson as HC this winter. The Eagles had to move on.

What am I missing here? Pedersen was there 5 seasons, made playoffs 3 of them and won a Superbowl. How much better of results can you really hope for in 5 seasons with a starting QB that has never finished a season since his rookie year when I think even then he played with broken ribs (didn't play that well either) and a WR core nobody has ever heard of. They had long stretches of games where I don't think a single WR they had starting was even drafted? 

And not sure how much influence he had on the decision, but I'm sure he had some say in getting Jalen Hurts - who looks like a possible future league MVP the way he played in his limited time so far. I know that may seem like a stretch, but Hurts was phenomenal in those few starts, with exception of the last game when Pedersen put Sudfield out there, probably to intentionally lose the game and see what he had in a backup for next season. 


I don't get it. Was winning that last game really that important to the Eagles management? 

I don't understand why you guys are going full "no thanks", "I'll pass", etc on Pedersen?

....Are you suggesting that he assumed either Wentz or Hurts was going to be cut or traded?

If that's the case, my first interview question is "If I spot you a C and a T, can you spell CAT?"

(01-11-2021, 08:36 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I think any team looking for a head coach should definitely consider Pederson. 3 playoffs, 1 Super Bowl in 5 years. And his Super Bowl run was with a back up.

Remember when everyone said we couldn't go wrong with Nick Foles because he was a SB winning QB? Got to look at more than one stat, the bigger picture (presently) is that Pederson has more negative than positive, the arrows are trending downward, in spite of that one year.

Brian Billick and Gary Kubiak are offensive minded coaches who have won SBs, maybe we should give them a holler.

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(01-12-2021, 09:08 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I think the biggest argument against is what the team did once Reich left. Wentz, albeit coming back from injury, regressed, and ended up in a very public standoff between he and his coach. Add to that his DC is not an option to follow along.

Whether justified or not, the court of public opinion plays a factor here, too. If players thought he tanked, benched players without merit, or just projected as abrasive, that's going to hinder your ability to draw free agents. He'll be a head coach again, but I think he needs a cooling off period to let some of this dust settle. He'll probably get a job as a coordinator for a while, and if he regains favor with the players he coaches, he'll be in the running then.

TC scarred me, ain't no way in Hades I even have him under consideration.

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D6, I promise I hadn't read your post (866) when I wrote this. Great minds think alike!

(01-11-2021, 05:08 PM)Brett Wrote: [ -> ]Article put out by John Reid of the Florida Times-Union today said the following:

"If the Jaguars don't announce their new head coach hire by Friday, it's possible they could wait until late next week after this Monday's Martin Luther King Day holiday and Wednesday's Inauguration, according to a person close to the situation."

Not sure if anyone saw this when I posted it yesterday so reposting just in case.

(01-12-2021, 10:30 AM)Brett Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-11-2021, 05:08 PM)Brett Wrote: [ -> ]Article put out by John Reid of the Florida Times-Union today said the following:

"If the Jaguars don't announce their new head coach hire by Friday, it's possible they could wait until late next week after this Monday's Martin Luther King Day holiday and Wednesday's Inauguration, according to a person close to the situation."

Not sure if anyone saw this when I posted it yesterday so reposting just in case.

I have a feeling if we don't hear it today, then it's not Meyer.

(01-12-2021, 09:08 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-11-2021, 06:02 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]In a rare instance, I strongly disagree with you, D6.

Pederson checks way too many boxes for him to be anything other than the highest choice at this point.

1.  He has had proven, recent NFL success.  He won the freaking Super Bowl for the 2017 season.  Newsflash:  That is the main thing missing from the Jaguars.

2.  He is an offensive guy.  Everyone says they want an offensive guy here.  He is from the Andy Reid coaching tree.He played QB under Reid.

3.  He has a proven recent history of developing QBs.  He developed Carson Wentz into an MVP candidate in 2017.  He got a Super Bowl title out of Nick Foles.

4.  He knows he needs a strong defensive coordinator.  He hired Jim Schwartz when he was with the Eagles in the first place.  With Schwartz sitting out this year, he knows he will need a strong defensive mind to make the team balanced.
5.  He knows how to utilize the TE in the offense.  Our Jaguars have never really had anything close to a dominant receiving threat at TE in our history.

Even if you blame the Eagles subsequent collapse entirely on him (from what I've read, there is plenty of blame to go around), his tenure with the Eagles exceeds every coach here.  If he were to replicate his tenure here in its entirety, I'd take it because we'd win a Super Bowl.  But if we protect Lawrence, better, we get more from him than the Eagles got from Wentz.  Lurie's own words"  "Pederson did not deserve to be fired."

Pederson's availability changes everything.

Go bring him in, Khan.

I think the biggest argument against is what the team did once Reich left. Wentz, albeit coming back from injury, regressed, and ended up in a very public standoff between he and his coach. Add to that his DC is not an option to follow along.

Whether justified or not, the court of public opinion plays a factor here, too. If players thought he tanked, benched players without merit, or just projected as abrasive, that's going to hinder your ability to draw free agents. He'll be a head coach again, but I think he needs a cooling off period to let some of this dust settle. He'll probably get a job as a coordinator for a while, and if he regains favor with the players he coaches, he'll be in the running then.

TC scarred me, ain't no way in Hades I even have him under consideration.

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....Are you suggesting that he assumed either Wentz or Hurts was going to be cut or traded?

If that's the case, my first interview question is "If I spot you a C and a T, can you spell CAT?"

So why does the player not get the blame for this dispute with a coach like he would EVERY OTHER TIME?!?  I readily admit I don't follow the particulars of the Eagles like I do the Jaguars, but it's odd that Wentz gets a pass here when the player is ALMOST ALWAYS seen as the "bad guy" in these cases.

Seriously.  What happened in this standoff between player and coach?

(01-12-2021, 10:43 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2021, 10:30 AM)Brett Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if anyone saw this when I posted it yesterday so reposting just in case.

I have a feeling if we don't hear it today, then it's not Meyer.

Please, God.

(01-12-2021, 11:43 AM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2021, 10:43 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I have a feeling if we don't hear it today, then it's not Meyer.

Please, God.

I'm with you. Meyer is not high on my list.

If he is, I'll get behind him with blind optimism like I do every hire, but not my ideal choice.