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Nice job with the click-bait thread title.  

Your link says this: 

"Roughly one month from the start of the new league year, Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Amari Cooper is the subject of increasingly torrid trade speculation.

"The latest scenario — a “blockbuster” proposal, submits Bleacher Report’s Kristopher Knox — has Cooper landing with the Jacksonville Jaguars in exchange for a 2022 third-round draft pick and a 2023 third-rounder."

Sounds like the Jags are making an offer, right?  

That article links to an article in Bleacher Report called "Trades We'd Like to See." 

Which means, bottom line, this is a whole bunch of nothing.  "Jaguars linked to Amari Cooper trade"?  No.  Not in the way that thread title implies.

I hope not.

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(02-12-2022, 05:47 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I hope not.

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I’d trade for him for one third rounder, not two. He’s lost a step and disappears. He’s not a #1 receiver.

Sounds like Jerry Jones got a sportswriter to put this together. 2 3rd rounders? No way. There are a lot of wide receivers coming out of college the next few years.

(02-12-2022, 08:57 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-12-2022, 05:47 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I hope not.

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I’d trade for him for one third rounder, not two. He’s lost a step and disappears. He’s not a #1 receiver.

That's why I wouldn't trade for him. He's not a #1 and he disappears even with guys like Lamb, Elliot and Schultz around him as his supporting cast. I liked him coming out of Alabama. Thought he was a great route runner. However, he wasn't as good as Julio Jones was and he wasn't nearly as much as a deep threat as people thought he would be. Even during his last year where he went off for 1700+ yards in receiving. It was a lot of high volume stuff. He wasn't taking the tops off of defenses. 

My problem with that writer's logic is that, they're willing to fork over a pair of 3rd RD picks for essentially a guy that's already proven himself in the NFL that he cannot be a #1. He barely hits the 1,000 yard mark in a pass happy era of football. And that's on a team for the last three years that's greatly benefited from a stout running game that should have been drawing coverage up to the box and away from him. Just seems like he's not living up to his potential. 

I don't see how that would magically change here in Jacksonville for him. Especially if Chark is departing he's left trying to carry Shenault, Jones & Agnew. With the willingness to trade a pair of 3rd RD picks for him? Why not offer that up to another team in RD1 that needs more picks overall? You could then look at younger, potentially, more promising prospects at WR. Guys like Jameson Williams, John Metchie III & Jahan Dotson are worth a shot. Especially Williams if his ACL is healing along nicely by the time the combine rolls around. Any one of those three have the ability to break a game open.

(02-12-2022, 09:06 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds like Jerry Jones got a sportswriter to put this together. 2 3rd rounders? No way.  There are a lot of wide receivers coming out of college the next few years.

Agreed. 2023 will probably have guys like Kayshon Boutte, Zay Flowers, Jadon Haselwood, Parker Washington & Marvin Mims.

(02-12-2022, 08:57 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-12-2022, 05:47 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I hope not.

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I’d trade for him for one third rounder, not two. He’s lost a step and disappears. He’s not a #1 receiver.

Has he lost a step, or is he lost in the glut of targets in Dallas with Gallup, Lamb, Wilson and Schultz?

(02-12-2022, 09:28 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-12-2022, 08:57 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]I’d trade for him for one third rounder, not two. He’s lost a step and disappears. He’s not a #1 receiver.

Has he lost a step, or is he lost in the glut of targets in Dallas with Gallup, Lamb, Wilson and Shultz?

Good point.  He's only 27.

(02-12-2022, 09:42 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-12-2022, 09:28 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Has he lost a step, or is he lost in the glut of targets in Dallas with Gallup, Lamb, Wilson and Shultz?

Good point.  He's only 27.

I think my aproach to Cooper would depend on what Chark does.

If Chark stays, I don't think I make the move for Cooper, though I could go either way with it.

If Chark leaves, I'm more inclined to go for Cooper, as I think he can still separate and we need some experience and ability at WR.

In either event, I'd be mor einclined to go after Amari Cooper than Devante Adams.

Honestly I think he's still solid the Cowboys just have a lot of other options. Despite being 3rd in targets on the team he was second in yards and first in touchdowns.

Even if we keep Chark he could be a good option if the price is right. It would give us more flexibility in the draft.

(02-12-2022, 09:13 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-12-2022, 08:57 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]I’d trade for him for one third rounder, not two. He’s lost a step and disappears. He’s not a #1 receiver.

That's why I wouldn't trade for him. He's not a #1 and he disappears even with guys like Lamb, Elliot and Schultz around him as his supporting cast. I liked him coming out of Alabama. Thought he was a great route runner. However, he wasn't as good as Julio Jones was and he wasn't nearly as much as a deep threat as people thought he would be. Even during his last year where he went off for 1700+ yards in receiving. It was a lot of high volume stuff. He wasn't taking the tops off of defenses. 

My problem with that writer's logic is that, they're willing to fork over a pair of 3rd RD picks for essentially a guy that's already proven himself in the NFL that he cannot be a #1. He barely hits the 1,000 yard mark in a pass happy era of football. And that's on a team for the last three years that's greatly benefited from a stout running game that should have been drawing coverage up to the box and away from him. Just seems like he's not living up to his potential. 

I don't see how that would magically change here in Jacksonville for him. Especially if Chark is departing he's left trying to carry Shenault, Jones & Agnew. With the willingness to trade a pair of 3rd RD picks for him? Why not offer that up to another team in RD1 that needs more picks overall? You could then look at younger, potentially, more promising prospects at WR. Guys like Jameson Williams, John Metchie III & Jahan Dotson are worth a shot. Especially Williams if his ACL is healing along nicely by the time the combine rolls around. Any one of those three have the ability to break a game open.

In the future, don’t compare anyone to Julio. You will always be disappointed.

I would easily trade a 3rd for Cooper. It’s not his fault the Cowboys are loaded with offensive talent and Dak spreads the love.

I'm not giving a top 3rd round pick for him. That's pretty much equivalent to the Rams or Bengals 2nd round pick. Some people are vague when they think of 3rd round picks but the 1st pick in the 3rd round is very valuable.

(02-12-2022, 10:25 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not giving a top 3rd round pick for him.  That's pretty much equivalent to the Rams or Bengals 2nd round pick.  Some people are vague when they think of 3rd round picks but the 1st pick in the 3rd round is very valuable.

Agreed. This is my thoughts as well. Also, this year's WR class as well as next year's WR class is pretty deep. There's a lot of talent to be had. Also, again, circling back to my logic from the article. You're willing to fork over a 3rd RD pick in this year's draft as well as a 3rd RD pick in next year's draft for a WR that's, quite honestly, not really lived up to being a former number four overall draft selection. I could also package those picks up if I am that desperate or know for a fact that a WR prospect is worthy of the move up. Dotson and Metchie III for example. Probably worth the moving up for.

You don't take a receiver in the top five unless he's Julio Jones (wink to you Cleatwood), that's why I brought up the Julio Jones comparison. Guys like Calvin Johnson Jr. and recently Jamar Chase. Those are the guys you take that high. Cooper was a well polished route runner coming out of Alabama. I never got "game changing, back breaking" vibes from him. He's good at what he does. He's a solid, steady #2 that will sometimes come up big on 3rd downs here and there. 

I don't want to fork over high end RD3 picks for a guy like that. 

If Amari is as good as people claim him to be. Why would this be his third team in seven seasons already? Hypothetically of course. He's never hit double digit TD's. He's never hit triple digit receptions. He's never hit 1,200 yards receiving in any single season. No thanks.

(02-12-2022, 10:25 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not giving a top 3rd round pick for him.  That's pretty much equivalent to the Rams or Bengals 2nd round pick.  Some people are vague when they think of 3rd round picks but the 1st pick in the 3rd round is very valuable.

What are the odds that the 3rd round pick will be better than Amari Cooper?

The odds are extremely low.

If the Rams have shown anything, it’s that draft picks are overvalued and proven talent is much more valuable.

Not to mention. This specific draft class is extremely weak. I’ll take Cooper and give Trevor an immediate weapon who is still young.

(02-12-2022, 10:57 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-12-2022, 10:25 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not giving a top 3rd round pick for him.  That's pretty much equivalent to the Rams or Bengals 2nd round pick.  Some people are vague when they think of 3rd round picks but the 1st pick in the 3rd round is very valuable.

What are the odds that the 3rd round pick will be better than Amari Cooper?

The odds are extremely low.

If the Rams have shown anything, it’s that draft picks are overvalued and proven talent is much more valuable.

I think the argument to be made, is that, in this particular scenario? Why would you fork over a 70th overall selection + another 3rd RD Pick for a #2 receiver, when, you could probably use that same value and logic to move up to get a potentially better, younger, and possibly cheaper prospect at the same position? That has the speed and talent to potentially be a number one?

I could see it now. They pull some goofy [BLEEP] off like this and end up passing up on somebody like Metchie III, Justyn Ross, Jahan Dotson or Wan'Dale Robinson and we'll be sitting on the couch probably watching one or two of those guys playing in a play-off game in January.

Assuming if you trade for Cooper you're going to have to sit down and talk contract extension at some point. It's just not ideal IMHO. If you want to trade for a receiver? Again, by logic? Why not fork over numero uno right now to Seattle for D.K Metcalf?

(02-12-2022, 09:28 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-12-2022, 08:57 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]I’d trade for him for one third rounder, not two. He’s lost a step and disappears. He’s not a #1 receiver.

Has he lost a step, or is he lost in the glut of targets in Dallas with Gallup, Lamb, Wilson and Schultz?

Agreed. Personally, I love Cooper and would easily give up a pair of third rounders for him. Cooper is an excellent route runner with great hands. That is two areas we lack now. He missed two games last season against the Raiders and Kansas City. The Cowboys lost both games. IMO, he just gets lost in the shuffle of the Cowboys potent passing game. Lamb is the #1 option with his vertical ability and Schultz is starting to become a redzone factor, but Cooper is still the guy they go to when they want to move the chains and pickup key first downs.

(02-12-2022, 09:51 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-12-2022, 09:42 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Good point.  He's only 27.

I think my aproach to Cooper would depend on what Chark does.

If Chark stays, I don't think I make the move for Cooper, though I could go either way with it.

If Chark leaves, I'm more inclined to go for Cooper, as I think he can still separate and we need some experience and ability at WR.

In either event, I'd be mor einclined to go after Amari Cooper than Devante Adams.

Whether Chark leaves or not, I still pursue Cooper. They are two different kinds of receivers. Chark is a big play, speed guy and Cooper is a possession receiver with great hands. Even keeping Chark and getting Cooper does not change my draft plans though. I'm still drafting at least 2 WR's. I'm cleaning house at WR. I don't wanna see Marvin Jones or Laviska Shenault anywhere near the field next season, even in backup roles. I move them if I can, but if I can't, they are on the roster bubble going into the next preseason and they are gonna have to improve massively, in order to make the team.

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(02-12-2022, 11:01 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-12-2022, 10:57 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]What are the odds that the 3rd round pick will be better than Amari Cooper?

The odds are extremely low.

If the Rams have shown anything, it’s that draft picks are overvalued and proven talent is much more valuable.

I think the argument to be made, is that, in this particular scenario? Why would you fork over a 70th overall selection + another 3rd RD Pick for a #2 receiver, when, you could probably use that same value and logic to move up to get a potentially better, younger, and possibly cheaper prospect at the same position? That has the speed and talent to potentially be a number one?

I could see it now. They pull some goofy [BLEEP] off like this and end up passing up on somebody like Metchie III, Justyn Ross, Jahan Dotson or Wan'Dale Robinson and we'll be sitting on the couch probably watching one or two of those guys playing in a play-off game in January.

Assuming if you trade for Cooper you're going to have to sit down and talk contract extension at some point. It's just not ideal IMHO. If you want to trade for a receiver? Again, by logic? Why not fork over numero uno right now to Seattle for D.K Metcalf?

If we draft Justyn Ross with his injury history, we might as well flush that pick down the toilet.

(02-12-2022, 11:01 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-12-2022, 10:57 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]What are the odds that the 3rd round pick will be better than Amari Cooper?

The odds are extremely low.

If the Rams have shown anything, it’s that draft picks are overvalued and proven talent is much more valuable.

I think the argument to be made, is that, in this particular scenario? Why would you fork over a 70th overall selection + another 3rd RD Pick for a #2 receiver, when, you could probably use that same value and logic to move up to get a potentially better, younger, and possibly cheaper prospect at the same position? That has the speed and talent to potentially be a number one?

I could see it now. They pull some goofy [BLEEP] off like this and end up passing up on somebody like Metchie III, Justyn Ross, Jahan Dotson or Wan'Dale Robinson and we'll be sitting on the couch probably watching one or two of those guys playing in a play-off game in January.

Assuming if you trade for Cooper you're going to have to sit down and talk contract extension at some point. It's just not ideal IMHO. If you want to trade for a receiver? Again, by logic? Why not fork over numero uno right now to Seattle for D.K Metcalf?

I would easily give up #1 for Metcalf.

Heck. You could talk me into giving up #1 for DJ Moore. I’ve been saying all off season that a blockbuster trade for a true #1 WR is something the Jags need to highly consider. Buffalo with Diggs. Arizona with Hopkins. Browns with OBJ (even though it didn’t work).

Cooper is extremely talented and is consistently open. His main issue in Dallas is that lots of people are open because they are loaded on offense. Some games it was Schultz. Some games it was Lamb. Some games it was the running game and some games it was Cooper. In Jacksonville, it would always be Cooper Time.

The likelyhood that those WRs you talked about being there in the 3rd is low and then your banking on them being as good as Cooper. Again. Also low odds.

I’m just playing the odds game here.

If Cooper tears his ACL I bet Baalke would up the ante to 2 2nd's.