Quote:A clean up sack while 'beating' two [BAD WORD REMOVED] blocks from a TE and a RB? A sack where the LT set so deep and gave Fowler so much of a head start that literally all he had to do was touch him extremely weakly and reach out and tackle the QB that was less than a yard away? Give me a break dude you can't be that biased. Neither of those show a single positive trait from Fowler except for a good motor.
Something that the Jags defense has a hard time doing. Can't keep up with QB's or stop their scramble, can't clean up plays that should be cleaned up, and if that was Branch he would've windmilled backwards into the turf. Come on man, it's a combination of plays that adds up to his highlights from his college career. Obviously those two plays aren't "OMG AMAZING GOAT" but they're solid plays nonetheless. Making plays when they need to be made and the little things all add up to a solid defensive player. Are you guys expecting the next Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White hybrid?
Quote:Who are some of those tackles he beat in those gifs? Are they even in the NFL?
I don't know. Fisher and Joeckel were 1st round picks and they're awful, so does it really matter if they're in the NFL?
* Sees Fowler make good plays, "it's because the tackles suck!" *
Quote:I don't know. Fisher and Joeckel were 1st round picks and they're awful, so does it really matter if they're in the NFL?
So if they were first rounders and they're awful then the tackles Fowler beat could be even worse? Should we not be concerned then.
Quote:So if they were first rounders and they're awful then the tackles Fowler beat could be even worse? Should we not be concerned then.
Almost every college tackle is bad. All that matters is he exposed them and showed that he is a level above them. Now if he got stood up and knocked around like windmill Branch, that would be concerning.
Quote:Making plays when they need to be made and the little things all add up to a solid defensive player. Are you guys expecting the next Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White hybrid?
No, I always expected him to be exactly that...a solid defensive player. Just not the guy you should be taking #3 overall.
Quote:No, I always expected him to be exactly that...a solid defensive player. Just not the guy you should be taking #3 overall.
We needed pass rushers and if I remember correctly everyone wanted to draft Randy Gregory and Vic Beasely... I'd still take an unproven/questionable Fowler over those two any day.
Quote:Almost every college tackle is bad. All that matters is he exposed them and showed that he is a level above them. Now if he got stood up and knocked around like windmill Branch, that would be concerning.
If every college tackle is bad then how can you give credit to the ones he beat? There are valid reasons being discussed here but you really haven't dismissed any of them.
Quote:Obviously every player has flaws. He might flat out suck from his ACL injury as well. You on the other hand said he got "stoned" by every tackle in college, but... he didn't. Nice way to change the subject by calling me a homer though, that's funny.
I broke down every play of his that I could find on the internet before the draft. Multiple times. He gets stoned by La'el Collins, he gets stoned against any decent tackle or tight end when lined up over top of them. It is abundantly obvious when you watch his tape that almost all of his production is scheme. Only the blind or unwilling can't see it. He will hold the edge well, but he will certainly not penetrate into the backfield unless you give him a running start.
If you watch every rep Fowler had in the LSU game, Collins not only stoned him the entire time they were matched up, he flat out pancaked him 2 or 3 times. Don't think he won a rep against Cam Robinson either, but I might be wrong on that.
Quote:I don't know. Fisher and Joeckel were 1st round picks and they're awful, so does it really matter if they're in the NFL?
And even as high as they were drafted, didn't tear an ACL in their first day at minicamp.
Imagine how much worse they would've been if they had.
Damn, I never really watched him that much but y'all making me nervous now that he's gonna flop, especially after an ACL.
Quote:If every college tackle is bad then how can you give credit to the ones he beat? There are valid reasons being discussed here but you really haven't dismissed any of them.
As I just said "he's beating those tackles and proving he's a level above them". Can you not read what I'm saying? Now the big question is if that can translate to the NFL, but that goes for every player coming out of college. The talent and ability is there for him to be great. I could go to a Jalen Ramsey, Bosa, or Vernon Hargreaves highlights video and completely trash them because they've never played a down in the NFL, but that's pointless. Obviously all four of these players are a level above their competition in college and that's all we can go by.
Fowler got worked so badly by a scrub named Watts Dantzler that he tore his ACL.
Quote:Damn, I never really watched him that much but y'all making me nervous now that he's gonna flop, especially after an ACL.
He is a good player. He won't bust. He just isn't a hand-in-the-dirt pass rusher. He needs to be moved around to be effective. He wasn't a top 5 player in my opinion, but a nice piece to have on a defense and a potential differencemaker on passing downs when you need to close out a game.
Quote:I broke down every play of his that I could find on the internet before the draft. Multiple times. He gets stoned by La'el Collins, he gets stoned against any decent tackle or tight end when lined up over top of them. It is abundantly obvious when you watch his tape that almost all of his production is scheme. Only the blind or unwilling can't see it. He will hold the edge well, but he will certainly not penetrate into the backfield unless you give him a running start.
Mayock has a nice track record and I will take his word over you message board scouting any day.
"I seem to be in the minority with the media people, having Dante Fowler at No. 1," Mayock said via conference call this week. "He reminds me a little bit of a (Chiefs OLB) Justin Houston. I think he’s going to be 255 to 260 (lbs.). I’m interested where Gregory and Shane Ray and Beasley are. They’ve all been kind of quoted anywhere between 225 and 240 (lbs.), so Fowler is going to be 15 or 20 pounds heavier than any of them, and I think just as explosive."
http://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/artic...f3a1725033
Jeremiah: Dante Fowler safest pick of NFL draft's edge rushers
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ge-rushers
"Dante Fowler, we saw it consistently from him his last year," Davis said. "People wondered about his first few years (at Florida), but there isn't that much concern to me. I think he's the real deal."
They see the same as I did. I think ill take Mayocks, Jeremiah, and Charles Davis's thoughts on it over yours. If he can return 100% from his injury I dont have any doubt.
Quote:As I just said "he's beating those tackles and proving he's a level above them". Can you not read what I'm saying? Now the big question is if that can translate to the NFL, but that goes for every player coming out of college. The talent and ability is there for him to be great. I could go to a Jalen Ramsey, Bosa, or Vernon Hargreaves highlights video and completely trash them because they've never played a down in the NFL, but that's pointless. Obviously all four of these players are a level above their competition in college and that's all we can go by.
I don't think much of Bosa or Ramsey either, but that is a whole 'nother discussion. At least we are in agreement about Hargreaves.
Quote:As I just said "he's beating those tackles and proving he's a level above them". Can you not read what I'm saying? Now the big question is if that can translate to the NFL, but that goes for every player coming out of college. The talent and ability is there for him to be great. I could go to a Jalen Ramsey, Bosa, or Vernon Hargreaves highlights video and completely trash them because they've never played a down in the NFL, but that's pointless. Obviously all four of these players are a level above their competition in college and that's all we can go by.
How is he proving he's on a different level if the lineman aren't that good to begin with? If me and Andre Branch do a 1vs1 drill and I'm playing LT he's gonna beat me but does that make him good?
Quote:Mayock has a nice track record and I will take his word over you message board scouting any day.
"I seem to be in the minority with the media people, having Dante Fowler at No. 1," Mayock said via conference call this week. "He reminds me a little bit of a (Chiefs OLB) Justin Houston. I think he’s going to be 255 to 260 (lbs.). I’m interested where Gregory and Shane Ray and Beasley are. They’ve all been kind of quoted anywhere between 225 and 240 (lbs.), so Fowler is going to be 15 or 20 pounds heavier than any of them, and I think just as explosive."
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Jeremiah: Dante Fowler safest pick of NFL draft's edge rushers
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"Dante Fowler, we saw it consistently from him his last year," Davis said. "People wondered about his first few years (at Florida), but there isn't that much concern to me. I think he's the real deal."
They see the same as I did. I think ill take Mayocks, Jeremiah, and Charles Davis's thoughts on it over yours. If he can return 100% from his injury I dont have any doubt.
I'll take my own eyes over what some guys wearing make up tell me to think. They've been wrong as often as right. Let me know if you find a quote from them saying that Fowler's production wasn't scheme based. It's on tape for everyone to see. Just take a good open_minded, honest look for yourself.
Quote:If you watch every rep Fowler had in the LSU game, Collins not only stoned him the entire time they were matched up, he flat out pancaked him 2 or 3 times. Don't think he won a rep against Cam Robinson either, but I might be wrong on that.
Collins was one of the best tackles to come out of the draft in a very long time. He should've been picked in the first round if it wasn't for all that drama. And Cam Robinson didn't shut out Fowler all game, you are wrong about that one.
Quote:I'll take my own eyes over what some guys wearing make up tell me to think. They've been wrong as often as right. Let me know if you find a quote from them saying that Fowler's production wasn't scheme based. It's on tape from everyone to see. Just take a good open_minded, honest look for yourself.
It is on the tape lol. Its obvious you dont know what you are looking at. Dave Caldwell also seen what most did as to why he was the 3rd overall pick, I dont think he is wearing make up. Nothing wrong to go against the grain I guess.