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Pirkster brings up alualu and fowler stats to use it against fowler.


But what is funny pirkster thinks alualu is a good player. He always has.

Quote:Not trashing him at all, just using your logic against you and it's working (though you can't even tell.)

 

Whatever you thought of him in college (and by all evidence you have a very inflated opinion of him) means absolutely nothing.

 

He's in the NFL now, and has to prove it all over again.  That, with a HUGE injury to hurdle on top of it.

Am I or anyone else denying that? No, I'm trying to say he was a very good player in college. Unfortunately a ton of people here didn't watch him and blindly criticize the guy because he's hurt, he was a Gator, or they're arm-chair GM's and think they know way more than professionals.

Quote:Pirkster brings up alualu and fowler stats to use it against fowler.


But what is funny pirkster thinks alualu is a good player. He always has.

Does he actually? That's disgusting if true. I don't know how you can sit here with a straight face and say Alualu is a good football player.

 

I think pirkster was the one that said Fowler needs to become a HoF player to make up for his injury... Hahaha

I loved Fowler at UF, he was big part of their defense. A lot of posters have said the same thing, he can't "front up" a tackle, and I think they mean bull rush them. I agree and I seen all his games. His high motor was his best attribute, he could use his speed to punch a guard and get by up the middle, or he could try a wide speed rush, that often was too wide and Fowler might get the tackle anyway on the second try after other defenders made the QB move.

 

He basically had a couple of moves, and neither was bull rushing then using arm leverage to go inside. Now with the ACL who knows how quick he will be, and if he can add an inside bull rush beating bigger and better NFL tackles, We will see of course, he is young so hopefully the ACL will heal fast and he learns a few more techniques.

Quote:Might as well go ahead and "literally" put him in the Pride, right?

Why not? Makes as much sense as declaring him a bust when he's not so much as taken the field for any NFL team.

For a guy who tested similar to Mack and is in some ways a better athlete than Mack it perplexes me why a thread thats basically being nice about saying why didn't the GM notice that this kid would be a bust.  Let him play a season or two before you write him off from some combine stats.

Quote:For a guy who tested similar to Mack and is in some ways a better athlete than Mack it perplexes me why a thread thats basically being nice about saying why didn't the GM notice that this kid would be a bust.  Let him play a season or two before you write him off from some combine stats.

Nah, dudes a bust and we need to cut him asap.

Quote:For a guy who tested similar to Mack and is in some ways a better athlete than Mack it perplexes me why a thread thats basically being nice about saying why didn't the GM notice that this kid would be a bust.  Let him play a season or two before you write him off from some combine stats.

 

He in no way, shape, or form is even on the same stratosphere in athleticism when comparing him to Khalil Mack.  The only thing Fowler has going for him as far as testing out is his 40.  He was very below par in every other category.  Khalil Mack was one of the top performers in almost every category.  Unless you meant Alex Mack, and then I may agree with you. 

Quote:He in no way, shape, or form is even on the same stratosphere in athleticism when comparing him to Khalil Mack.  The only thing Fowler has going for him as far as testing out is his 40.  He was very below par in every other category.  Khalil Mack was one of the top performers in almost every category.  Unless you meant Alex Mack, and then I may agree with you. 

they are pretty close, coming out fowler is slightly bigger and slightly faster, Mack is a hair stronger, Fowler has slightly longer arms.  Mack jumps better and is slightly better in cone drills.  They are pretty freaking close


Hell the nfl combine website puts Fowlers nfl comparison as MACK.   

Quote:Its funny how even the posters that arent high on him admit his explosiveness. That is probably his best trait lol. Claims to watch every game lol

Yeah, I'm just lying because I just care oh so much about being right on this forum. I've seen just as much of Fowler as you and without homer glasses on. Fast off the line =/= explosiveness. If  you want to see explosiveness look at Khalil Mack, Justin Houston, Von Miller. They consistently drive tackles backwards because their lower bodies are so powerful. Fowler has only a handful (literally I could probably count on my fingers, maybe on one hand, the number of plays) of plays where he drives a tackle backwards.

Quote:Almost every college tackle is bad. All that matters is he exposed them and showed that he is a level above them. Now if he got stood up and knocked around like windmill Branch, that would be concerning.

But Fowler gets stood up and knocked around regularly, including in every game you posted a gif from.

Quote:But Fowler gets stood up and knocked around regularly, including in every game you posted a gif from.

So does J.J. Watt

 

Do you really expect a player to make amazing plays every single down? You're insane. This message board is filled with a bunch of clowns that barely know anything about football. 

Quote:Yeah, I'm just lying because I just care oh so much about being right on this forum. I've seen just as much of Fowler as you and without homer glasses on. Fast off the line =/= explosiveness. If  you want to see explosiveness look at Khalil Mack, Justin Houston, Von Miller. They consistently drive tackles backwards because their lower bodies are so powerful. Fowler has only a handful (literally I could probably count on my fingers, maybe on one hand, the number of plays) of plays where he drives a tackle backwards.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH at comparing him to Von Miller, Houston, and Mack!!! You're looking at his college film and expecting to see that level of play? You're insane. Why stop at those three? Let's move on up to Lawrence Taylor and figure out why he didn't play like Lawrence Taylor in college! 

Quote:they are pretty close, coming out fowler is slightly bigger and slightly faster, Mack is a hair stronger, Fowler has slightly longer arms.  Mack jumps better and is slightly better in cone drills.  They are pretty freaking close


Hell the nfl combine website puts Fowlers nfl comparison as MACK.   

It's far more than "jumping better". Those jump drills are a measure of explosion and lower body strength, things that are extremely important when it comes to rushing the passer. Mack's vert was 8 inches better and his broad was a whole foot and an inch better. Mack has far more lower body strength than Fowler. Mack didn't do "slightly" better in the cone drills. Mack had a 7.08 in the 3 cone and a 5.18 in the 20 yrd shuttle. Fowler 7.40 and 5.32 respectively. You may not realize how big of a difference that is but it is a big difference. Fowler simply is not anywhere near in the same class of athlete as Mack. Mack is an elite athlete, Fowler is average at best by NFL standards.

 

Quote:So does J.J. Watt

 

Do you really expect a player to make amazing plays every single down? You're insane. This message board is filled with a bunch of clowns that barely know anything about football. 

Says the guy who cherry picks plays against scrub tackles to prove a point. It's not about him doing it every down, it's the fact he never actually showed the ability to against decent competition in the first place.

 

Quote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH at comparing him to Von Miller, Houston, and Mack!!! You're looking at his college film and expecting to see that level of play? You're insane. Why stop at those three? Let's move on up to Lawrence Taylor and figure out why he didn't play like Lawrence Taylor in college! 

I can go back to their college tape and they are still far more explosive and powerful than Fowler. Fowler is just not in the class of athlete as those guys. The best we can hope for is that Fowler ends up developing into a Tamba Hali or Terrell Suggs type, guys who overcame their athletic limitations. But those guys have short arms which ends up helping them get their hands up quickly against tackles, while Fowler has long arms.

No wonder why you guys don't like him... You're watching his college film and expecting to find a kid play like an NFL Pro-bowler. Let's actually give him a chance to play a full season in the NFL before we expect Lawrence Taylor 2.0. I'd be terrified if I had crazy fans expecting me to walk out there as a rookie and put up 22 sacks in my first year. Temper your expectations and hope for 6-8 sacks at the most. Khalil Mack only had 4 in 2014 and just broke out this season, plus it'd be way better to compare him to the 2015 draft class and see how he is against Randy Gregory and Vic Beasley.

Quote:I can go back to their college tape and they are still far more explosive and powerful than Fowler. Fowler is just not in the class of athlete as those guys. The best we can hope for is that Fowler ends up developing into a Tamba Hali or Terrell Suggs type, guys who overcame their athletic limitations. But those guys have short arms which ends up helping them get their hands up quickly against tackles, while Fowler has long arms.

I guess you're right, dude. Caldwell should be fired immediately, as well as all the other professional scouts that watched him play for three straight years. What were they thinking? Doing their filthy jobs and seeing things that us plebs can't see. How dare they draft a disruptive defensive player that we desperately needed! Shame on the entire Jaguars front office and all the other teams that wanted to draft him as well. We should be embarrassed that we didn't pick Amari Cooper, oh wait he wouldn't get to shine because of Hurns and ARob - I mean we should've drafted Leonard Williams, oh wait we don't need a run stuffing DT... Hmm, maybe it was the right pick!

Quote:It's far more than "jumping better". Those jump drills are a measure of explosion and lower body strength, things that are extremely important when it comes to rushing the passer. Mack's vert was 8 inches better and his broad was a whole foot and an inch better. Mack has far more lower body strength than Fowler. Mack didn't do "slightly" better in the cone drills. Mack had a 7.08 in the 3 cone and a 5.18 in the 20 yrd shuttle. Fowler 7.40 and 5.32 respectively. You may not realize how big of a difference that is but it is a big difference. Fowler simply is not anywhere near in the same class of athlete as Mack. Mack is an elite athlete, Fowler is average at best by NFL standards

I tried very hard during draft season to get people to understand how bad of an athlete Fowler is. Unfortunately people still didn't get it. Fowler is an undersized DE with above average dashes (not very useful for DE) and poor position specific drills (3 cone, broad, and veritcal jumps), or he is a very big OLB with horrible position specific drills. In reality, a LEO is probably best considered a hybrid if you are trying to compare positional numbers so Fowler is an average sized wide 9 pass rusher with very poor position specific drills. Using his SPARQ score, which doesn't take position into account, Dante is merely a 30th percentile athlete period while Khalil Mack was 90th percentile. 

 

Coincidentally there was some interesting reading this summer about how high SPARQ athletes have been healthier as far as soft tissue and non contact injuries than non high SPARQ athletes in their careers. Digging deeper than that is for a different day and probably some more conclusive evidence before it's really worth blaming Fowler's lack of athleticism on his ACL tear (but there's a solid chance it was a factor). 

Quote:Does he actually? That's disgusting if true. I don't know how you can sit here with a straight face and say Alualu is a good football player.


I think pirkster was the one that said Fowler needs to become a HoF player to make up for his injury... Hahaha

Lol that dude, along with many others used, to wet their pants if anyone said anything bad about Alualu.


What did you expect? The dude just tried to say Dante Fowler got "worked" in a non padded practice.

It's hard to be optimistic. So many terrible draft picks. I just hope this guy isnt a liability on the field

Quote:I guess you're right, dude. Caldwell should be fired immediately, as well as all the other professional scouts that watched him play for three straight years. What were they thinking? Doing their filthy jobs and seeing things that us plebs can't see. How dare they draft a disruptive defensive player that we desperately needed! Shame on the entire Jaguars front office and all the other teams that wanted to draft him as well. We should be embarrassed that we didn't pick Amari Cooper, oh wait he wouldn't get to shine because of Hurns and ARob - I mean we should've drafted Leonard Williams, oh wait we don't need a run stuffing DT... Hmm, maybe it was the right pick!

I see you left out the other pass rusher who was also widely speculated as a top pick, had much better college production, fantastic measurables, nearly perfect scheme fit, and finished as PFFs (I know LOL PFF rite) highest rated rookie DE with more than double the pass rush grade of the next highest rookie pass rusher.