Yet his knee buckled when he faced his first "NFL" competition.
Quote:How is he proving he's on a different level if the lineman aren't that good to begin with? If me and Andre Branch do a 1vs1 drill and I'm playing LT he's gonna beat me but does that make him good?
Never mind dude, you obviously don't have a brain.
Quote:And even as high as they were drafted, didn't tear an ACL in their first day at minicamp.
Imagine how much worse they would've been if they had.
Instead he had a season ending injury after four games. Sucked before the injury and still sucks after. What's the difference?
Quote:Never mind dude, you obviously don't have a brain.
You're the one posting gifs of Fowler "beating" some random scrub tackles squealing how it proves he's on another level then turning around saying tackles aren't good in college...essentially defeating whatever you're trying to prove. So yeah, someone doesn't have the brain here.
Quote:Yet his knee buckled when he faced his first "NFL" competition.
You act like this is a result of bad play and proves he's a bust, lol...
Quote:Instead he had a season ending injury after four games. Sucked before the injury and still sucks after. What's the difference?
So since Fowler's only NFL experience was to be defeated by the great Watts Dantzler, what will be the difference between his before and after?
Quote:It is on the tape lol. Its obvious you dont know what you are looking at. Dave Caldwell also seen what most did as to why he was the 3rd overall pick, I dont think he is wearing make up. Nothing wrong to go against the grain I guess.
I don't know what else to tell you besides point to the evidence. I can only give you the murder weapon, motive, and confession, if you want to acquit then its out of my hands.
Its like as if you are telling me that we run a 3-4 and when I tell you to just look at the tape, you entrench yourself even further into a 3-4 argument.
Quote:You act like this is a result of bad play and proves he's a bust, lol...
Unlike you, I'm referencing his entire NFL experience. While you cherry pick only what's convenient from his college experience.
Riddle me this... why was it only just before the draft were draftnicks talking about Fowler, instead of during his entire career like Clowney?
It was because we telegraphed the pick and everyone was expecting us to take the local kid. Certainly not because he was seen as the best pick. In fact, his college productivity wasn't really there until he lost about 15 pounds his final year in school.
Quote:You're the one posting gifs of Fowler "beating" some random scrub tackles squealing how it proves he's on another level then turning around saying tackles aren't good in college...essentially defeating whatever you're trying to prove. So yeah, someone doesn't have the brain here.
I'll make this very simple for you.
Fowler plays college football
Opponent plays college football
Fowler makes them look like fools and proves he's on another level than they are. They aren't pro bowl tackles and probably went undrafted, but the important part is that he was able to beat them. He shined against them. He stood out and looked like an elite player against them. That's what you try to find in college players, you know, the ones that stand out from the rest!
Posters here try to say he looked good because those tackles sucked. Yeah they probably sucked (almost every tackle in college does), but if that's the case every pass rusher in college football should be labeled a top prospect if they're going against such easy competition. But wow, what's that? They don't?! Hmm... I wonder why? Could it be that they just aren't good enough and don't stand out like Fowler does? Is it because Fowler is a level ABOVE those other players and that's the reason why he made them look stupid? Wow! It's starting to all make sense now!!!
Quote:I'll make this very simple for you.
Fowler plays NFL football
Opponent plays NFL football
Opponent makes Fowler look like a sack of meat and proves he's on another level than they are.
Careful to not look at the other side of what you're saying.
Quote:Collins was one of the best tackles to come out of the draft in a very long time. He should've been picked in the first round if it wasn't for all that drama. And Cam Robinson didn't shut out Fowler all game, you are wrong about that one.
Actually, Cam did shut him out. Even got a pancake block to boot. Just went over to DraftBreakdown and watched the video again to refresh my memory. Only time he gets upfield are when he's on the opposite side or it's a screen.
Fowler's college sack stats were 2.5, 3.5, and 8.5.
Tyson Alualu's college sack stats were 0, 2.5, 6, and 7.5.
Hmm.
Quote:Unlike you, I'm referencing his entire NFL experience. While you cherry pick only what's convenient from his college experience.
Riddle me this... why was it only just before the draft were draftnicks talking about Fowler, instead of during his entire career like Clowney?
It was because we telegraphed the pick and everyone was expecting us to take the local kid. Certainly not because he was seen as the best pick. In fact, his college productivity wasn't really there until he lost about 15 pounds his final year in school.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to judge Fowler based off of his rookie camp injury and trash him like you are. I'm going to judge him based off of his college years until I see him play a real down in the NFL.
As for what you asked, I don't know what you're talking about. He was being talked about in his Sophomore year and was a key part of Florida's defense in his final two years. Did anyone get as much hype as Clowney? I'm pretty sure a ton of other pass rushers were ranked below him and went unnoticed. I'm glad all the buzz and hype worked out for Clowney in the end, it's making a big difference!
Quote:I'm sorry, I'm not going to judge Fowler based off of his rookie camp injury and trash him like you are. I'm going to judge him based off of his college years until I see him play a real down in the NFL.
As for what you asked, I don't know what you're talking about. He was being talked about in his Sophomore year and was a key part of Florida's defense in his final two years. Did anyone get as much hype as Clowney? I'm pretty sure a ton of other pass rushers were ranked below him and went unnoticed. I'm glad all the buzz and hype worked out for Clowney in the end, it's making a big difference!
Ahh, so players who actually do dominate and stand out like Clowney might struggle in the NFL?
Is that what I'm hearing?
Quote:Careful to not look at the other side of what you're saying.
Oh, you mean
Fowler plays rookie mini camp
Opponent plays rookie mini camp
Fowler plants his foot awkwardly.
Turf: 1
Fowler: 0
Fowler was certainly NOT seen as a dominant college football player around the country during his career.
Quote:Ahh, so players who actually do dominate and stand out like Clowney might struggle in the NFL?
Is that what I'm hearing?
And players that didn't stand out and ended up UDFA's could possibly be pro bowlers? What's that Allen Hurns? Every players story can be different and have the chance to be something special? Wow, I didn't know that!
Quote:I'm sorry, I'm not going to judge Fowler based off of his rookie camp injury and trash him like you are.
Not trashing him at all, just using your logic against you and it's working (though you can't even tell.)
Whatever you thought of him in college (and by all evidence you have a very inflated opinion of him) means absolutely nothing.
He's in the NFL now, and has to prove it all over again. That, with a HUGE injury to hurdle on top of it.
Quote:So your definition of "level above" is just incredibly lenient. He sure stood out with those whopping sack numbers.
Sack numbers? Is this how we're going to judge him now? How about just pure pressure ability, stuffing the run, helping cover the flats, shutting down screens and just being a good defensive player. No? Okay whatever.