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Look at all these guys who are smarter every GM in and scout in the NFL who had Fowler as a top 5 prospect

 

Lol now he isnt very good hahaha

Quote:Look at all these guys who are smarter every GM in and scout in the NFL who had Fowler as a top 5 prospect


Lol now he isnt very good hahaha

He didn't get any sacks this season. Turrible.

Quote:Wow. I'm shocked at all the hate for Fowler.


You guys are ridiculous.

Just finished the thread its really just about 4 guys going on and on, mostly because we didint draft the guy they wanted

The fact that Fowler didnt play this year, now makes it worst since it gives them another offseason to cry about it

Quote:Just finished the thread its really just about 4 guys going on and on, mostly because we didint draft the guy they wanted

The fact that Fowler didnt play this year, now makes it worst since it gives them another offseason to cry about it

Just ridiculous to me, but whatever.

Quote:From NFL Network's Path To The Draft with Mayock following Fowler's pro day...

 

"Fowler is my No. 1 edge rusher," Mayock said on NFL Network's "Path to the Draft." "Why? In today's NFL you have to do three things. One, rush the quarterback. Two, set a physical edge. And, three, drop into coverage. Fowler is the best at all three, in my opinion, in this draft.

"I will be stunned if he gets past pick No. 5. He's a top-five pick all day long."

High praise that is understandable considering Fowler (6-foot-3, 261 pounds) moves better than most linebackers already in the league and was among the most highly regarded pass rushers in the SEC during his college career.

 

Mayock also had Vernon Gholston as his number one pass rusher and Aaron Curry as his number one linebacker.  And Daquan Bowers over JJ Watt.  His opinion is no better than anyone else who watches for themselves.

 

Maybe some here are arguing that he is a bust, but that isn't my argument at all.  My argument has been that he was overdrafted because he offers very little as a hand-in-the-dirty pass rusher when lined up overtop a tackle.  That argument is based on three indisputable facts.

 

1.) He has lower college production

2.) The majority of his college production was produced via scheme.

3.) Forty time not-withstanding, he tested poorly athletically, especially in tests of explosion and strength.

 

Those are the cold, hard facts.  Feel free to try and twist them as much as you want, but they are easily verifiable facts.  I still think he is a good player that is a good fit in any defense, but he's not, in my opinion, a premier pass rusher that has to be schemed against.  He's a guy that can get you 6-10 timely sacks per season and set an edge and string out runs.

Quote:Because combine drills don't mean as much as you think in football.

 

Ya, that is why they spend MILLIONS on it, not to mention the time invested. Don't mean a thing..... :/

I think Fowler Jr. will become somewhat of a Jamie Collins.  He could rush when he has to and fall into coverage.  Isn't the fastest, but he seems to have a knack to make plays.  That is just my prediction, we will see.  As long as he's better than Harvey or AluAlu, I think that is a plus.

Quote:Ya, that is why they spend MILLIONS on it, not to mention the time invested. Don't mean a thing..... :/

Ah yes great point except for the fact that I never said they don't mean a thing..I said they don't mean as much as he thinks I.e He was overrating the importance of the drills.

He's bigger, very disruptive. Every down player.

Quote:I see you left out the other pass rusher who was also widely speculated as a top pick, had much better college production, fantastic measurables, nearly perfect scheme fit, and finished as PFFs (I know LOL PFF rite) highest rated rookie DE with more than double the pass rush grade of the next highest rookie pass rusher.

pff? Lol. Beasley did not have a good year. He was only a rookie and can def. get better but he was not very good this year. Rarely got pressure and gets dominated in the run game

Quote:Look at all these guys who are smarter every GM in and scout in the NFL who had Fowler as a top 5 prospect

 

Lol now he isnt very good hahaha

 

Umm... GMs and scouts didn't have him top 5.

 

The mock drafts had him there because they felt we would take him.

 

HUGE difference between grading players, and mocking drafts.  Since it's clear you don't understand the difference.

Quote:Some of the best athletes in the NFL have torn their ACL. Some of the worst athletes have tore their ACL also.It doesn't matter how athletic you are if you land awkwardly or plant the wrong way you can tear it.


Adrian Peterson,Jamaal Charles,Gronk,Von Miller,Honey badger,Thomas Davis, RG3...few examples of guys who would be considered elite athletes at their position and have torn their ACL.

"Less of a chance" Man people don't read. And I also said non contact injuries, which ACL tears are a lot of both. Obviously no amount of it matters when a DB missiles through your knee like what happened to Gronk or plenty of other guys.

 

All I'm saying is that some studies are showing that If you made a plot of SPARQ scores and charted the soft tissue and non contact injuries you will find a fewer ratio of dots as you get farther up the list. 

Quote:pff? Lol. Beasley did not have a good year. He was only a rookie and can def. get better but he was not very good this year. Rarely got pressure and gets dominated in the run game

He was a little bit of a negative in the run game (which he wouldn't have to do at LEO so who cares), and he actually got a lot of pressures/hurries. He needs to turn some of those pressure in sacks yes, but disruption is still production. He also got better as the year went on. His final month was most impressive, we all remember him completely dominating the Panthers in that big upset week 16. 

 

I have absolutely zero doubt he is going to have a better pass rushing career than Fowler. 

Quote:"Less of a chance" Man people don't read. And I also said non contact injuries, which ACL tears are a lot of both. Obviously no amount of it matters when a DB missiles through your knee like what happened to Gronk or plenty of other guys.


All I'm saying is that some studies are showing that If you made a plot of SPARQ scores and charted the soft tissue and non contact injuries you will find a fewer ratio of dots as you get farther up the list.

Yeah and I'm saying elite NFL players tear their ACLs at the same rate as lesser athletes in the NFL.


I'd be interested in seeing those studies on SPARQ athletes though.

Quote:Mayock also had Vernon Gholston as his number one pass rusher and Aaron Curry as his number one linebacker.  And Daquan Bowers over JJ Watt.  His opinion is no better than anyone else who watches for themselves.

 

Maybe some here are arguing that he is a bust, but that isn't my argument at all.  My argument has been that he was overdrafted because he offers very little as a hand-in-the-dirty pass rusher when lined up overtop a tackle.  That argument is based on three indisputable facts.

 

1.) He has lower college production

2.) The majority of his college production was produced via scheme.

3.) Forty time not-withstanding, he tested poorly athletically, especially in tests of explosion and strength.

 

Those are the cold, hard facts.  Feel free to try and twist them as much as you want, but they are easily verifiable facts.  I still think he is a good player that is a good fit in any defense, but he's not, in my opinion, a premier pass rusher that has to be schemed against.  He's a guy that can get you 6-10 timely sacks per season and set an edge and string out runs.

This is my opinion also, good player but overdrafted. He is more a top 15-20 type of guy than top 3. I don't really get why he vaulted up so much. Not saying he's going to be a bust, he's too versatile and his motor is too high to be a bust. But in terms of doing what everyone thinks he is going to do I think people will be disappointed.

Fowler hasn't played a down in the NFL and we're comparing him to one of the worst pass rushers in the league

Quote:Just finished the thread its really just about 4 guys going on and on, mostly because we didint draft the guy they wanted

The fact that Fowler didnt play this year, now makes it worst since it gives them another offseason to cry about it

 

You can't admit he was a bad pick?  Not upset they passed on anyone else.  Upset they reached so far for a risky tweener and on top of it he got hurt right off the bat.  Yup, knockout pick.

 

Well, at least you have an injury excuse for if he doesn't work out that you wouldn't have if he didn't get hurt.

 

Gator fans were just voted worst in college football.  It's threads like these where they prove it also spills over into the NFL.

Quote:Fowler hasn't played a down in the NFL and we're comparing him to one of the worst pass rushers in the league

This x 1000000000.

Quote:Fowler hasn't played a down in the NFL and we're comparing him to one of the worst pass rushers in the league

 

We can compare his college production.

 

His college production was very similar to Tyson Alualu's college production.

 

Similarly, this club fell in love with both and overdrafted them.

Despite the legitimate concerns I do hope he improves his weaknesses and comes out swinging. We need a pass rush bad.