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Fowler goes to OTTO. DE drafted in the first starts at LEO.


Seems like a simple enough solution to me.

Quote:There is no way this regime spends that pick on a LEO. This is true because that means one of your last 2 first rounders will not be a starter. As a GM, you don't pick 1st rounders to be "situational". 

 

FA is a different story.

 

Not only could they potentially play other LB positions, but say you draft another LEO, you effectively have 2 Rookie pass rushers. While they can get a handle on things and take off, you never know which one will and how long it will take. Plus having two allows you to keep both of them fresh and even use both in the Lightning Package.

 

Sure if the BAP defensive player is a Safety or CB you take them, but if not I see nothing wrong with stockpiling pass rushers. The great ones are typically early draft picks and they rarely go to free agency. Plus the hope is that the Jags will soon no longer be drafting near the top of the 1st round. I just do not think there will be many trades in the first round this year. 

Quote:Fowler goes to OTTO. DE drafted in the first starts at LEO.


Seems like a simple enough solution to me.

Except Fowler was drafted to play LEO and rush not passer, not to play OTTO and drop into coverage and play the run.

Quote:Except Fowler was drafted to play LEO and rush not passer, not to play OTTO and drop into coverage and play the run.

Nah , I can see Fowler being moved all around and asked to do different things. He'll get snaps at OTTO as well as LEO.

Fowler is a Leo in the ware/miller type but Skuta is our Otto (for now) Skuta is great depth idk about starting caliber. Fowler can't really cover rbs or TEs soooo if we draft a DE in the first round it would be a Big DE

Quote:Fowler goes to OTTO. DE drafted in the first starts at LEO.


Seems like a simple enough solution to me.

No, Thank, You.

 

You don't draft somebody #3 overall to have their main job be an edge setting, run stopper first and foremost. Which that is the OTTO's main job. Some coverage and pass rush is an added bonus from that position.

He wouldn't be the first guy to find success somewhere other than what he was drafted to be. OTTO/occasional LEO seems to suit his talent more than primary pass-rusher.

I believe that Fowler was clearly drafted to play the Leo position... meaning the Jags need a much better Otto imo than Skuta

I find it a little presumptive and annoying that people are already experts on what fowler can and can't do when he hasn't played a single down in the nfl yet.

Not really any different than any other prospect that gets talked up on here.

How but we punt on the Leo/Elephant nonsense and run a scheme with.....wait for it........TWO pass rushing defensive ends. *GASP*

Quote:How but we punt on the Leo/Elephant nonsense and run a scheme with.....wait for it........TWO pass rushing defensive ends. *GASP*

I think the scheme has proven it can generate a pass rush, even without dominant rushers.  The 1980s/90s 4ers used those concepts to help win 5 Super Bowls.  Seattle and Green Bay have utilized similar concepts more recently and have had success rushing the passer.

 

As it stands now, we're tied for 18th in sacks with 34 which is about middle of the pack.

 

If you go back to 2012-the last time we ran a scheme similar to what you described- we were dead last in sacks with 20.

 

This isn't to say that a more conventional approach wouldn't work.  But I think the concepts of the scheme allow for pressure on the QB.  Like anything, you need talent.

Quote:I think the scheme has proven it can generate a pass rush, even without dominant rushers.  The 1980s/90s 4ers used those concepts to help win 5 Super Bowls.  Seattle and Green Bay have utilized similar concepts more recently and have had success rushing the passer.

 

As it stands now, we're tied for 18th in sacks with 34 which is about middle of the pack.

 

If you go back to 2012-the last time we ran a scheme similar to what you described- we were dead last in sacks with 20.

 

This isn't to say that a more conventional approach wouldn't work.  But I think the concepts of the scheme allow for pressure on the QB.  Like anything, you need talent.

 

My response was in reference to drafting another traditional pass rushing defensive end and getting them (Bosa & Fowler) on the field at the same time rather than try and fit a square peg in a round hole (Fowler / Otto)

Coaches say fowler is now at 260 and refer to him as a d-lineman. I'm with you guys. I prefer him at 250 playing otto and rushing in passing situations the way del Rio used von miller his rookie year

Quote:My response was in reference to drafting another traditional pass rushing defensive end and getting them (Bosa & Fowler) on the field at the same time rather than try and fit a square peg in a round hole (Fowler / Otto)

Gotcha.

 

Within THAT context, your post makes more sense, though Fowler was often utilized like Skuta in Florida's defense at the time, which was the same as ours now.

 

But given the choice, I'd rather utilize him more as a pass rusher and going after the QB than anything else.  I don't want him dropping into coverage.

Quote:Coaches say fowler is now at 260 and refer to him as a d-lineman. I'm with you guys. I prefer him at 250 playing otto and rushing in passing situations the way del Rio used von miller his rookie year

Hmmm......

 

Del Rio didn't use Von Miller in his rookie year.

Miller's first year was Del Rio's final year here.

Quote:How but we punt on the Leo/Elephant nonsense and run a scheme with.....wait for it........TWO pass rushing defensive ends. *GASP*

I was just about to post that same type of comment. 

 

Blob of human being on the left. 1 fast dynamo on the right. Strange scheme. I don't know why you can't have two pass rushers. it's not like they can't stop the run as well. 

In honestly don't have an issue with the scheme. I can't even count how many times the defense had an offense in 3rd and long only to get beat for a first down. Now if they can add pass rushers to the defense to win on those 3rd downs, this team might actually win some games. I don't care where the pass rushers come from, inside or outside, but the team needs to win those 3rd and longs.

I think right now my ideal top of the draft would be Vernon Hargreaves in the 1st and Carl Nassib in the 2nd. I had a lot of downtime at work this week so I have been watching draftbreakdown clips and these two guys really stood out to me.


Hargreaves is an outstanding cover guy (duh) and playmaker. But what I really like about him is how often he strips the ball and how attacks the ball carrier in run support.


Nassib I was iffy on till I really watched him play. He shows excellent leverage with his bullrush. This is his first year producing but it is exciting seeing a guy this raw put up the numbers he did. The coaching staff says he works harder than any guys and approaches every practice the way he does a game. I would draft him and sit him behind Odrik and add like 10-15 lbs to his frame. Also with Marks' injuries, I would rotate Odrik at the 3T and have Nassib handle the 5.


People love Bosa but don't talk about Nassib but I think they will post similar combine numbers (I do expect Bosa to have better agility numbers though). Reportedly Nassib ran a 4.78 last week which is outstanding for a guy his size.


Combine a healthy Fowler/Marks, another FA pass rusher, and developmental pass rusher, and Nassib and the pass rush is much improved.

Nassib moves laterally as well as my refridgerator. Just say no.