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Quote:I saw Sam Bradford last week. Knowing they could have had RG3 but traded down for a 'treasure trove' and yet were still keep us in the game... I'll take Teddy.

Yeah but not all precincts have reported on that deal just yet. Plus look at all the holes on the Redskin defense. You can't tell me that those picks don't hurt to lose.

Quote:Just saying man. Could you really say no to let's say four first rounders and a 2nd?

 

Considering it will likely mean a third year as the laughing stock of the NFL? Yes.  I can say no to that.

 

No to another year of everyone talking about how we are moving and should sign Tebow? Absolutely.

Quote:I dont care if we could get 3 all pros at different positions, Id take Bridgewater over 3 all pros and a dalton level QB any day.

 

This is the ridiculous stuff I can't stand. I want the Jaguars to draft Teddy, too, but come on. 3 all pros at different positions, even without Dalton, is worth the #1 pick. Unless by all pros you are referring to guys like Andre Johnson who will be out of the league within a year or two. This team is more than just a good QB away from being playoff contenders. You don't pass up the opportunity to land 3 all pros for a single draft pick. You just don't.

 

Seahawks

Max Unger © All Pro

Earl Thomas (S) All Pro

Richard Sherman (CB) All Pro

Tavaris Jackson (QB)

 

for

#1 pick.

 

That value isn't even close. Draft two other QBs in 2014 and if they don't pan out, draft one in 2015. By 2016 your team will be elite with one of the best defenses in the league.

 

*edited for the typo of calling Tavaris Jackson an all-pro QB lol*

Quote:I saw Sam Bradford last week. Knowing they could have had RG3 but traded down for a 'treasure trove' and yet were still keep us in the game... I'll take Teddy.

 

The guy up there said he would turn down "3 All-Pros and a QB like Dalton for Teddy". Turning down other question mark draftees, like future 1st/2nd rounders is one thing. Like you said, the Rams didn't come out ahead there. Turning down "3 All-Pros" is a different beast. If the Rams landed 3 All-Pros plus Bradford, they would be more than satisfied about that trade.

Quote:This is the ridiculous stuff I can't stand. I want the Jaguars to draft Teddy, too, but come on. 3 all pros at different positions, even without Dalton, is worth the #1 pick. Unless by all pros you are referring to guys like Andre Johnson who will be out of the league within a year or two. This team is more than just a good QB away from being playoff contenders. You don't pass up the opportunity to land 3 all pros for a single draft pick. You just don't.

 

Seahawks

Max Unger © All Pro

Earl Thomas (S) All Pro

Richard Sherman (CB) All Pro

Tavaris Jackson (QB) All Pro

 

for

#1 pick.

 

That value isn't even close. Draft two other QBs in 2014 and if they don't pan out, draft one in 2015. By 2016 your team will be elite. This

Tavaris Jackson and all-pro ?

Obviously a late night typo.

Quote:Obviously a late night typo.

Who were you meaning to put right there? RW?

Also I'd probably give up a 2nd rounder for Browner or Chancellor and probably a first for Sherman.

Quote:This is the ridiculous stuff I can't stand. I want the Jaguars to draft Teddy, too, but come on. 3 all pros at different positions, even without Dalton, is worth the #1 pick. Unless by all pros you are referring to guys like Andre Johnson who will be out of the league within a year or two. This team is more than just a good QB away from being playoff contenders. You don't pass up the opportunity to land 3 all pros for a single draft pick. You just don't.

 

Seahawks

Max Unger © All Pro

Earl Thomas (S) All Pro

Richard Sherman (CB) All Pro

Tavaris Jackson (QB)

 

for

#1 pick.

 

That value isn't even close. Draft two other QBs in 2014 and if they don't pan out, draft one in 2015. By 2016 your team will be elite with one of the best defenses in the league.

 

*edited for the typo of calling Tavaris Jackson an all-pro QB lol*

 

Yes, you do pass on the <i>Opportunity</i> for 3 all pro's because... things don't always work out like they should.  Now if Caldwell has a crystal ball that will tell him how to hit on every pick, then by all means.  But in that case it doesn't even matter if we trade down or not, because he'll not only know who will be available, but how good they will or won't be.  Meaning he'd be able to do the equal to drafting Tom Brady in the 6th instead of the 5th (or as early as the 4th) and trade down to the point where he takes him just before the Patriots do.

Quote:Who were you meaning to put right there? RW?

 

No. I meant Tavaris Jackson because he is a backup QB. Three all-pros and a veteran backup QB is worth the #1 pick.

 

I get it, you need a QB to win. Think about it though, we could use our 2nd (pick #33) 3rd, and 4th to trade back up to get another QB that Caldwell likes. come round 5 the trade would look like:

 

I think a group of Tajh Boyd / Richard Sherman / Earl Thomas / Max Unger makes the team a lot better than Teddy Bridgewater / 2nd rd pick / 3rd rd pick / 4th rd pick.

 

Not only would we solve our center problem, we solve it with an All Pro.

We immediately become the best defensive backfield in the NFL.

We still land a pretty darn good QB prospect.

Quote:Yes, you do pass on the <i>Opportunity</i> for 3 all pro's because... things don't always work out like they should.  Now if Caldwell has a crystal ball that will tell him how to hit on every pick, then by all means.  But in that case it doesn't even matter if we trade down or not, because he'll not only know who will be available, but how good they will or won't be.  Meaning he'd be able to do the equal to drafting Tom Brady in the 6th instead of the 5th (or as early as the 4th) and trade down to the point where he takes him just before the Patriots do.

 

Do you even read my posts, man? Once again, I said I agree that trading for picks can be too risky. My reply was to Jingo who stated "I would rather have Teddy Bridgewater than 3 All-Pros at other positions and Andy Dalton."

 

His statement was referring to three guys that are already NFL all pros, not draft picks.

Yes, I read your posts.  I can't however read the posts you haven't posted yet while I'm typing up my response.

Quote:No. I meant Tavaris Jackson because he is a backup QB. Three all-pros and a veteran backup QB is worth the #1 pick.


I get it, you need a QB to win. Think about it though, we could use our 2nd (pick #33) 3rd, and 4th to trade back up to get another QB that Caldwell likes. come round 5 the trade would look like:


I think a group of Tajh Boyd / Richard Sherman / Earl Thomas / Max Unger makes the team a lot better than Teddy Bridgewater / 2nd rd pick / 3rd rd pick / 4th rd pick.


Not only would we solve our center problem, we solve it with an All Pro.

We immediately become the best defensive backfield in the NFL.

We still land a pretty darn good QB prospect.

Yeah there is no way you can say no to that trade from our perspective, but I can guarantee you the Seahawks aren't calling Dave to offer that anytime soon.

Quote:Yes, I read your posts.  I can't however read the posts you haven't posted yet while I'm typing up my response.

 

The post you replied to had me quoting Jingo's comment of "Id take Bridgewater over 3 all pros and a dalton level QB any day." That comment is what my response was to. Now if he had said "I'd take Bridgewater over 3 1st round picks and a dalton level QB any day." then I would have seen his point.

Quote:Yeah there is no way you can say no to that trade from our perspective, but I can guarantee you the Seahawks aren't calling Dave to offer that anytime soon.

 

Absolutely not lol. I just wanted to show how silly it would be to pass up 3 young, established, all-pros for any single draft pick, especially when your team is full of scrubs.

Honestly I'd be concerned if Seattle said "Hey, want these pro-level players and this backup QB for the first pick?"  Because... why are they trading those players?  It's the kind of scenario you're very unlikely to see.  Maybe if Clark Kent was available for drafting, but I'd take Clark Kent over 3 All pro's and Andy Dalton.  And Clowney.  

 

But again, you presented it as the opportunity.  Draft picks are an opportunity for all-pro players.  I'd have expected the wording to be 'you don't pass up on 3 all-pros for the #1 pick'.

http://www.ajc.com/feed/sports/college/t...ted/fWJgT/

 

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Teddy Bridgewater is featured prominently in this week's edition of <i>Sports Illustrated </i>as the center of a piece by writer Pete Thamel.

Though you can't read the story until the magazine hits newsstands tomorrow, we can give you some of the highlights you have to look forward to:

 

--Playing in the pros will allow Bridgewater to fulfill a promise he made to his mom, Rose Murphy, when he was in the third grade. "When I make it to the pros," Teddy Bridgewater said, "I'm going to buy you a pink Escalade with pink rims." (PAGE 39)

 

--From the age of eight, Bridgewater was tabbed as a can't-miss quarterback. He excelled in the vaunted Optimist youth leagues in Miami and later at Northwestern High. It was there that he became a top college prospect and did so while his mother was battling breast cancer. Now a junior at Louisville, he's the nation's third-most efficient passer on the No. 8 team, a Heisman Trophy candidate and the potential No. 1 pick in the 2014 NFL draft. "His mother's situation made him a grown man," says Northwestern coach Billy Rolle, "and I think that helped him out more than any coach could." (PAGE 40)

 

--Bridgewater worked hard to avoid the stigma that South Florida produces any athlete but quarterback. He wound up a Cardinal after committing to and decommitting from Miami. "He wanted to be a quarterback," says Louisville coach Charlie Strong, "not an athlete who's a quarterback." (PAGE 40)

 

--After working extremely hard with Louisville offensive coordinator Shawn Watson between his freshman and sophomore seasons, Bridgewater led the Cardinals to an 11-2 season and was named Big East Player of the Year last season. He earned a reputation for not only being very accurate but also tough. He played through injuries, and shook off a nasty hit early in Louisville's Sugar Bowl win over Florida last year. He has become a more willing leader. "This is his football team," Strong says. "He knows this, his team will only go as far as he takes them." (PAGE 42)

 

--While Bridgewater has a season of eligibility remaining, he'll graduate this year. His descision to enter the draft seems like a foregone conclusion. "The reality is that we're hoping and believing that he has a great season," says Rose, "and after that he'll do what he needs to do to prepare to go to the draft." (PAGE 42)

 

--Thamel finds that Bridgewater is very humble on and off the field. For instance, he asked Louisville not to run a Heisman campaign for him because he doesn't want special treatment and he still dates his high school sweetheart. "He's one of those players who wants no credit," says Strong. "He'd rather sit back and let his work speak for him." (PAGE 43)

 

--Bridgewater may not get as many Heisman and Twitter mentions as Texas A&M;'s Johnny Manziel, the two are "not in the same universe" as NFL prospects, says former Eagles scout John Middlekauff, who adds, "You build a franchise around high-level people as much as high-level players." (PAGE 50)

Quote:Honestly I'd be concerned if Seattle said "Hey, want these pro-level players and this backup QB for the first pick?"  Because... why are they trading those players?  It's the kind of scenario you're very unlikely to see.  Maybe if Clark Kent was available for drafting, but I'd take Clark Kent over 3 All pro's and Andy Dalton.  And Clowney.  

 

But again, you presented it as the opportunity.  Draft picks are an opportunity for all-pro players.  I'd have expected the wording to be 'you don't pass up on 3 all-pros for the #1 pick'.

 

Regardless of how unrealistic it is (because it is very unrealistic), that doesn't negate the fact that saying "Id take Bridgewater over 3 all pros and a dalton level QB any day." is annoying and foolish.

Quote:Regardless of how unrealistic it is (because it is very unrealistic), that doesn't negate the fact that saying "Id take Bridgewater over 3 all pros and a dalton level QB any day." is annoying and foolish.

 

Not if you hate Dalton, like I do.

 

Bengals will never win anything significant with him as QB.

Quote:Not if you hate Dalton, like I do.

 

Bengals will never win anything significant with him as QB.

 

Even without Dalton, if the Bengals offered: A.J. Green + (Insert established all-pro) + (Insert established all-pro), you make the trade. Three guys that have proven to be among the best at their respective positions, are still young, and can fill holes on this team are worth a single pick. The Bengals don't really have much else to offer, but we are speaking hypothetically.