(01-22-2018, 02:03 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:00 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]Which part of "41. And yes, I've seen very bad Patriots teams in the early 90s pre-Kraft, and rooted for them" did you not quite get?
I guess I "don't quite get" how u missed my point in asking you to answer the question I asked you literally in the post before. Way to make yourself look "witty" and "clever" though.
Well, you stumped me. I have no idea what you asked.
(01-22-2018, 02:00 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 01:54 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Cool. So answer my question.
Which part of "41. And yes, I've seen very bad Patriots teams in the early 90s pre-Kraft, and rooted for them" did you not quite get?
(01-22-2018, 01:58 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]One of my best friends is a Pat fan, and getting them to admit any wrong doing by their franchise is nearly impossible. You would think someone who went through the pre-Kraft era would have a better understanding for these types of things, but nearly 2 decades of winning changes you as a fan.
Like what??????? LOL
Well, not particularly in this game.... but over the course of the season, and not just with my team, but with calls throughout the league. I try to watch 3-4 games a week during the season, and *every* game I see calls that are non-calls or bad calls.
But YOUR team is the benefactor of the majority of bad calls (or non calls).
(01-22-2018, 02:05 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:03 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I guess I "don't quite get" how u missed my point in asking you to answer the question I asked you literally in the post before. Way to make yourself look "witty" and "clever" though.
Well, you stumped me. I have no idea what you asked.
He asked u about the Jack recover whistle. You got his post mixed up with mine.
They don’t call [BLEEP] on the pats and they call everything on the other team. Everyone knows it. Please take your kudos y’all won. But to sit here and say y’all don’t get calls, game changing calls is preposterous
(01-22-2018, 02:05 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:00 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]Which part of "41. And yes, I've seen very bad Patriots teams in the early 90s pre-Kraft, and rooted for them" did you not quite get?
Well, not particularly in this game.... but over the course of the season, and not just with my team, but with calls throughout the league. I try to watch 3-4 games a week during the season, and *every* game I see calls that are non-calls or bad calls.
But YOUR team is the benefactor of the majority of bad calls (or non calls).
I will admit, Patriots did receive *many* beneficial calls throughout the year. But many of them, upon further review (pun intended), were the right call. Jets and Steelers would beg to differ however. I mean Gronk is mugged on every other play. More often than not, he'll get called for PI and not the defender. I would love to complain and moan about that every time we lose, but I'm over it. I don't celebrate when a call goes my way, nor do I get crazy mad when it doesn't. They all average out of the course of the year.
(01-22-2018, 02:05 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:00 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]Which part of "41. And yes, I've seen very bad Patriots teams in the early 90s pre-Kraft, and rooted for them" did you not quite get?
Well, not particularly in this game.... but over the course of the season, and not just with my team, but with calls throughout the league. I try to watch 3-4 games a week during the season, and *every* game I see calls that are non-calls or bad calls.
But YOUR team is the benefactor of the majority of bad calls (or non calls).
(01-22-2018, 02:05 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]Well, you stumped me. I have no idea what you asked.
He asked u about the Jack recover whistle. You got his post mixed up with mine.
Oh. I replied to that. I said Lewis didn't touch him when he recovered the fumble, and you guys got robbed...
I didn't agree with the personal foul on Gronk. There was no intent to lead or hit with the helmet. That's what happens when grown men run at each other. I think intent should be the indicator of the penalty, and not the "look" of the play. So yeah, that's another call I don't agree with. That's 2 I've given you tonight so far.
(01-22-2018, 02:08 AM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]They don’t call [BLEEP] on the pats and they call everything on the other team. Everyone knows it. Please take your kudos y’all won. But to sit here and say y’all don’t get calls, game changing calls is preposterous
They do and the Jack fumble recovery is a prime example of a game altering mistake by the officials.
Look I know refereeare human and they will make mistakes. That cannot be avoided. But the inconsistencies in the calls is where my gripe is.
(01-22-2018, 02:08 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:05 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]But YOUR team is the benefactor of the majority of bad calls (or non calls).
I will admit, Patriots did receive *many* beneficial calls throughout the year. But many of them, upon further review (pun intended), were the right call. Jets and Steelers would beg to differ however. I mean Gronk is mugged on every other play. More often than not, he'll get called for PI and not the defender. I would love to complain and moan about that every time we lose, but I'm over it. I don't celebrate when a call goes my way, nor do I get crazy mad when it doesn't. They all average out of the course of the year.
(01-22-2018, 02:05 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]But YOUR team is the benefactor of the majority of bad calls (or non calls).
He asked u about the Jack recover whistle. You got his post mixed up with mine.
Oh. I replied to that. I said Lewis didn't touch him when he recovered the fumble, and you guys got robbed...
I didn't agree with the personal foul on Gronk. There was no intent to lead or hit with the helmet. That's what happens when grown men run at each other. I think intent should be the indicator of the penalty, and not the "look" of the play. So yeah, that's another call I don't agree with. That's 2 I've given you tonight so far.
How about two blatant missed PI calls on M. Lewis on crucial 3rd downs? How about the blatant hold on Telvin on your game capping 1st down run? That image can be seen in memes across the web
(01-22-2018, 02:13 AM)Scarecrow Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:08 AM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]They don’t call [BLEEP] on the pats and they call everything on the other team. Everyone knows it. Please take your kudos y’all won. But to sit here and say y’all don’t get calls, game changing calls is preposterous
They do and the Jack fumble recovery is a prime example of a game altering mistake by the officials.
Look I know refereeare human and they will make mistakes. That cannot be avoided. But the inconsistencies in the calls is where my gripe is.
A mistake is a mistake. An early whistle is an early whistle. But for some to make the stretch that the refs make a conscious effort to aide the Patriots... well that's just crazy. And, all I heard this week was how this crew (as individuals), historically, called more penalties against the Patriots than most. So they made up for that by not calling any against them? Once you go that route, you never come back home.
(01-22-2018, 02:17 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:08 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]I will admit, Patriots did receive *many* beneficial calls throughout the year. But many of them, upon further review (pun intended), were the right call. Jets and Steelers would beg to differ however. I mean Gronk is mugged on every other play. More often than not, he'll get called for PI and not the defender. I would love to complain and moan about that every time we lose, but I'm over it. I don't celebrate when a call goes my way, nor do I get crazy mad when it doesn't. They all average out of the course of the year.
Oh. I replied to that. I said Lewis didn't touch him when he recovered the fumble, and you guys got robbed...
I didn't agree with the personal foul on Gronk. There was no intent to lead or hit with the helmet. That's what happens when grown men run at each other. I think intent should be the indicator of the penalty, and not the "look" of the play. So yeah, that's another call I don't agree with. That's 2 I've given you tonight so far.
How about two blatant missed PI calls on M. Lewis on crucial 3rd downs? How about the blatant hold on Telvin on your game capping 1st down run? That image can be seen in memes across the web
Every team can (and many do throughout the year) send a tape to the league office and complain on calls. The league often will publicly indicate when a mistake was made. All I can say is call up the Jags office and nudge them to send that video to NY. I don't have the desire to break down every call/non-call. You win some, you lose some.
(01-22-2018, 02:21 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:17 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]How about two blatant missed PI calls on M. Lewis on crucial 3rd downs? How about the blatant hold on Telvin on your game capping 1st down run? That image can be seen in memes across the web
Every team can (and many do throughout the year) send a tape to the league office and complain on calls. The league often will publicly indicate when a mistake was made. All I can say is call up the Jags office and nudge them to send that video to NY. I don't have the desire to break down every call/non-call. You win some, you lose some.
The Reffing needs to be fixed. An apology after the fact solves nothing.
(01-22-2018, 02:17 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:13 AM)Scarecrow Wrote: [ -> ]They do and the Jack fumble recovery is a prime example of a game altering mistake by the officials.
Look I know refereeare human and they will make mistakes. That cannot be avoided. But the inconsistencies in the calls is where my gripe is.
A mistake is a mistake. An early whistle is an early whistle. But for some to make the stretch that the refs make a conscious effort to aide the Patriots... well that's just crazy. And, all I heard this week was how this crew (as individuals), historically, called more penalties against the Patriots than most. So they made up for that by not calling any against them? Once you go that route, you never come back home.
I can't determine if it is better or worse if the officials weren't intending to be that one sided.
There were too many obvious mistakes in calls.
(01-22-2018, 02:17 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:13 AM)Scarecrow Wrote: [ -> ]They do and the Jack fumble recovery is a prime example of a game altering mistake by the officials.
Look I know refereeare human and they will make mistakes. That cannot be avoided. But the inconsistencies in the calls is where my gripe is.
A mistake is a mistake. An early whistle is an early whistle. But for some to make the stretch that the refs make a conscious effort to aide the Patriots... well that's just crazy. And, all I heard this week was how this crew (as individuals), historically, called more penalties against the Patriots than most. So they made up for that by not calling any against them? Once you go that route, you never come back home.
Bahahaha, not one pen called in Pats O or D all game. To think they played a perfect game without commiting one penalty is beyond delusional. Especially because here's literally dozens of videos proving they were commiting penalties already posted all over the web. I'm not kidding, pains me to say it, but I think I'm done with the NFL after this. It couldn't be anymore obvious actually...
(01-22-2018, 02:17 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:13 AM)Scarecrow Wrote: [ -> ]They do and the Jack fumble recovery is a prime example of a game altering mistake by the officials.
Look I know refereeare human and they will make mistakes. That cannot be avoided. But the inconsistencies in the calls is where my gripe is.
A mistake is a mistake. An early whistle is an early whistle. But for some to make the stretch that the refs make a conscious effort to aide the Patriots... well that's just crazy. And, all I heard this week was how this crew (as individuals), historically, called more penalties against the Patriots than most. So they made up for that by not calling any against them? Once you go that route, you never come back home.
You're ignorant.
Jack scores and Jags win 27-24...so you know, its big deal. The refs impact on the game changed who is playing in the Super Bowl, period.
I understand why you're trying to defend it though. As a man, I want to reach accomplishments by earning them. I don't want to be handed something and I certainly don't want gain due to unfair favoritism. This week I was disappointed about Brady's hand. The Jags wanted to beat the best to be the best. They didn't want a cheap victory. That is noble whereas advancing due to "mistakes" as you call them is pretty darn sad.
Enjoy your hollow win (which I know you guys will because you lack any rational objectivity or reason).
(01-22-2018, 02:19 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/Tanner_Rennie/status...8069327872
Pretty sure that is a textbook hold. Result would have given Jags ball back with chance to win the game.
But, we probably would have taken a knee.
If they wanted to, you could call holding on just about every play, on both sides of the ball. There are levels to everything. Obvious and blatant holds, quick hold/release, etc. If they called everything, we would all complain the game is 4 hours long and too slow. Also, refs can't see everything. You hope they do get the big ones. An alternative is to make every play challengeable, including penalties. Then each team could challenge the most egregious calls-- the ones that determine the outcome of a game. Other than that, we are stuck with the system we have. The teams that win will be quiet, and the teams that lose will be most vocal. I see no end to that.
(01-22-2018, 02:23 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:21 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]Every team can (and many do throughout the year) send a tape to the league office and complain on calls. The league often will publicly indicate when a mistake was made. All I can say is call up the Jags office and nudge them to send that video to NY. I don't have the desire to break down every call/non-call. You win some, you lose some.
The Reffing needs to be fixed. An apology after the fact solves nothing.
I agree, but how?
(01-22-2018, 02:24 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:17 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]A mistake is a mistake. An early whistle is an early whistle. But for some to make the stretch that the refs make a conscious effort to aide the Patriots... well that's just crazy. And, all I heard this week was how this crew (as individuals), historically, called more penalties against the Patriots than most. So they made up for that by not calling any against them? Once you go that route, you never come back home.
Bahahaha, not one pen called in Pats O or D all game. To think they played a perfect game without commiting one penalty is beyond delusional. Especially because here's literally dozens of videos proving they were commiting penalties already posted all over the web. I'm not kidding, pains me to say it, but I think I'm done with the NFL after this. It couldn't be anymore obvious actually...
Yep...lots of people I know who aren't even Jags fans pointed it out as well and are done with this "sport." There is nothing noble in a "sport" that lacks integrity and fairness.
(01-22-2018, 02:25 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:19 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/Tanner_Rennie/status...8069327872
Pretty sure that is a textbook hold. Result would have given Jags ball back with chance to win the game.
But, we probably would have taken a knee.
If they wanted to, you could call holding on just about every play, on both sides of the ball. There are levels to everything. Obvious and blatant holds, quick hold/release, etc. If they called everything, we would all complain the game is 4 hours long and too slow. Also, refs can't see everything. You hope they do get the big ones. An alternative is to make every play challengeable, including penalties. Then each team could challenge the most egregious calls-- the ones that determine the outcome of a game. Other than that, we are stuck with the system we have. The teams that win will be quiet, and the teams that lose will be most vocal. I see no end to that.
(01-22-2018, 02:23 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]The Reffing needs to be fixed. An apology after the fact solves nothing.
I agree, but how?
Most officiating crews at least call holding if it springs a score or a huge run. They obviously didn't do that.
(01-22-2018, 02:24 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:17 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]A mistake is a mistake. An early whistle is an early whistle. But for some to make the stretch that the refs make a conscious effort to aide the Patriots... well that's just crazy. And, all I heard this week was how this crew (as individuals), historically, called more penalties against the Patriots than most. So they made up for that by not calling any against them? Once you go that route, you never come back home.
Bahahaha, not one pen called in Pats O or D all game. To think they played a perfect game without commiting one penalty is beyond delusional. Especially because here's literally dozens of videos proving they were commiting penalties already posted all over the web. I'm not kidding, pains me to say it, but I think I'm done with the NFL after this. It couldn't be anymore obvious actually...
I never said they didn't do anything that couldn't be considered a penalty. However, they were only called for one. Again, how do you make refs call everything the same way, and make them see everything that happens at once?
(01-22-2018, 02:21 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:17 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]How about two blatant missed PI calls on M. Lewis on crucial 3rd downs? How about the blatant hold on Telvin on your game capping 1st down run? That image can be seen in memes across the web
Every team can (and many do throughout the year) send a tape to the league office and complain on calls. The league often will publicly indicate when a mistake was made. All I can say is call up the Jags office and nudge them to send that video to NY. I don't have the desire to break down every call/non-call. You win some, you lose some.
This take here is honestly dumb as hell. We all know these "reviews" don't change anything about the officiating and they sure as heck don't come back and say "hey Steelers, guess what, that was a TD against the Pats, we're going to give you the Win."
C'mon man!
My blood pressure has risen enough for one day. Stroud Crowd out. Fly eagles Fly!!!
(01-22-2018, 02:24 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:17 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]A mistake is a mistake. An early whistle is an early whistle. But for some to make the stretch that the refs make a conscious effort to aide the Patriots... well that's just crazy. And, all I heard this week was how this crew (as individuals), historically, called more penalties against the Patriots than most. So they made up for that by not calling any against them? Once you go that route, you never come back home.
You're ignorant.
Jack scores and Jags win 27-24...so you know, its big deal. The refs impact on the game changed who is playing in the Super Bowl, period.
I understand why you're trying to defend it though. As a man, I want to reach accomplishments by earning them. I don't want to be handed something and I certainly don't want gain due to unfair favoritism. This week I was disappointed about Brady's hand. The Jags wanted to beat the best to be the best. They didn't want a cheap victory. That is noble whereas advancing due to "mistakes" as you call them is pretty darn sad.
Enjoy your hollow win (which I know you guys will because you lack any rational objectivity or reason).
I will NEVER apologize for a win. If you know you are playing the Patriots *and* the refs, score more points!
I like how the officiating is taking the luster away from the win. Then an army of Pats fans have to go to all the social media sites and comments section to defend that win. Some probably had to do the 'ol "forgot my username and password" to the Jags messageboard, to log into an account they created back in 2008, just to get a post in defending the officiating.
In the meantime, Philly won convincingly with their backup QB.