(01-22-2018, 02:21 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:17 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]How about two blatant missed PI calls on M. Lewis on crucial 3rd downs? How about the blatant hold on Telvin on your game capping 1st down run? That image can be seen in memes across the web
Every team can (and many do throughout the year) send a tape to the league office and complain on calls. The league often will publicly indicate when a mistake was made. All I can say is call up the Jags office and nudge them to send that video to NY. I don't have the desire to break down every call/non-call. You win some, you lose some.
While I tend to think that much of the whining about bad calls and non-calls week in and week out is often much ado about nothing and the majority of it evens out in the wash, you seem to be taking a willfully ignorant approach to the matter.
Firstly - The league does not "often publicly indicate" such mistakes and coaches are strongly urged not to publicly discuss the outcome of such filed grievances.
Second - brushing off blatant hold calls on key plays like the one pointed out to you is the equivalent of burying one's head in the sand on the matter.
I still don't blame this Jags' loss on the refs, because there were ways for the Jags to win this anyway and they didn't do it. But you are turning a blind eye as it suits you.
(01-22-2018, 02:29 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:21 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]Every team can (and many do throughout the year) send a tape to the league office and complain on calls. The league often will publicly indicate when a mistake was made. All I can say is call up the Jags office and nudge them to send that video to NY. I don't have the desire to break down every call/non-call. You win some, you lose some.
This take here is honestly dumb as hell. We all know these "reviews" don't change anything about the officiating and they sure as heck don't come back and say "hey Steelers, guess what, that was a TD against the Pats, we're going to give you the Win."
C'mon man!
Well, you never heard it was a TD against Pats (vs steelers) because by the letter of the rule, it wasn't. James was not a runner, therefore, crossing the plane of the goal was not all he had to do, as if he had he been a runner. He was in the process of making a catch, and thus, has to survive the ground. By the way, I disagree with that, as he did have possession when the ball crossed the plane. But hey, that's the NFLs call, not mine.
(01-22-2018, 02:31 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:21 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]Every team can (and many do throughout the year) send a tape to the league office and complain on calls. The league often will publicly indicate when a mistake was made. All I can say is call up the Jags office and nudge them to send that video to NY. I don't have the desire to break down every call/non-call. You win some, you lose some.
While I tend to think that much of the whining about bad calls and non-calls week in and week out is often much ado about nothing and the majority of it evens out in the wash, you seem to be taking a willfully ignorant approach to the matter.
Firstly - The league does not "often publicly indicate" such mistakes and coaches are strongly urged not to publicly discuss the outcome of such filed grievances.
Second - brushing off blatant hold calls on key plays like the one pointed out to you is the equivalent of burying one's head in the sand on the matter.
I still don't blame this Jags' loss on the refs, because there were ways for the Jags to win this anyway and they didn't do it. But you are turning a blind eye as it suits you.
Google "nfl admits wrong call." You will see a lot of public statements admitting incorrect calls.
(01-22-2018, 02:28 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:24 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Bahahaha, not one pen called in Pats O or D all game. To think they played a perfect game without commiting one penalty is beyond delusional. Especially because here's literally dozens of videos proving they were commiting penalties already posted all over the web. I'm not kidding, pains me to say it, but I think I'm done with the NFL after this. It couldn't be anymore obvious actually...
I never said they didn't do anything that couldn't be considered a penalty. However, they were only called for one. Again, how do you make refs call everything the same way, and make them see everything that happens at once?
I'll tell you how (but it won't happen). It's called leadership...by men with balls! The NFL "leadership," Goodell need to hold officials accountable. They keep creating office after office (in NY to review, blah blah blah) so they can further distance themselves and lose the fans in Dante's levels of hell regarding, rules, intentions of rules, replays, good/bad calls, etc.
So what do you do? You fire the pathetic refs that are terrible (because they are obvious to every red-blooded American who knows football). You keep the good refs (Hochuli for example) and you pay them well and you have them train/make good younger refs just like them with good judgment. This is all leadership 101 that the NFL DOES NOT do.
And you change the damn rules so a catch is a catch. When every man in America knows it's a catch in the backyard but we have to get the lawyers involved when watching the NFL it's pathetic.
That's how you fix it! You hold people accountable and you make the rules simple and clear. It is really not that hard!
(01-22-2018, 02:21 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:17 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]How about two blatant missed PI calls on M. Lewis on crucial 3rd downs? How about the blatant hold on Telvin on your game capping 1st down run? That image can be seen in memes across the web
Every team can (and many do throughout the year) send a tape to the league office and complain on calls. The league often will publicly indicate when a mistake was made. All I can say is call up the Jags office and nudge them to send that video to NY. I don't have the desire to break down every call/non-call. You win some, you lose some.
bhahahaahah.. not one time will I ever walk past another pat fan and not scoff at them
(01-22-2018, 02:33 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:29 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ]This take here is honestly dumb as hell. We all know these "reviews" don't change anything about the officiating and they sure as heck don't come back and say "hey Steelers, guess what, that was a TD against the Pats, we're going to give you the Win."
C'mon man!
Well, you never heard it was a TD against Pats (vs steelers) because by the letter of the rule, it wasn't. James was not a runner, therefore, crossing the plane of the goal was not all he had to do, as if he had he been a runner. He was in the process of making a catch, and thus, has to survive the ground. By the way, I disagree with that, as he did have possession when the ball crossed the plane. But hey, that's the NFLs call, not mine.
(01-22-2018, 02:31 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]While I tend to think that much of the whining about bad calls and non-calls week in and week out is often much ado about nothing and the majority of it evens out in the wash, you seem to be taking a willfully ignorant approach to the matter.
Firstly - The league does not "often publicly indicate" such mistakes and coaches are strongly urged not to publicly discuss the outcome of such filed grievances.
Second - brushing off blatant hold calls on key plays like the one pointed out to you is the equivalent of burying one's head in the sand on the matter.
I still don't blame this Jags' loss on the refs, because there were ways for the Jags to win this anyway and they didn't do it. But you are turning a blind eye as it suits you.
Google "nfl admits wrong call." You will see a lot of public statements admitting incorrect calls.
You're denial is sad. The Steelers reversed TD was a catch and a TD and we all know it, period.
and searching for "NFL admits wrong call" DOES NOT change the wins and losses column.
Come back to reality!
(01-22-2018, 02:31 AM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]I like how the officiating is taking the luster away from the win. Then an army of Pats fans have to go to all the social media sites and comments section to defend that win. Some probably had to do the 'ol "forgot my username and password" to the Jags messageboard, to log into an account they created back in 2008, just to get a post in defending the officiating.
In the meantime, Philly won convincingly with their backup QB.
The Patriots defend titles, not their wins. Philly had a great day. In two weeks, Brady gets his sixth. Nobody will remember bad officiating in the AFCCG.
(01-22-2018, 02:36 AM)paksat Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:21 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]Every team can (and many do throughout the year) send a tape to the league office and complain on calls. The league often will publicly indicate when a mistake was made. All I can say is call up the Jags office and nudge them to send that video to NY. I don't have the desire to break down every call/non-call. You win some, you lose some.
bhahahaahah.. not one time will I ever walk past another pat fan and not scoff at them
They are arrogant, pompous pricks. I live in Rhode Island and haven't met a decent one yet.
(01-22-2018, 02:37 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:31 AM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]I like how the officiating is taking the luster away from the win. Then an army of Pats fans have to go to all the social media sites and comments section to defend that win. Some probably had to do the 'ol "forgot my username and password" to the Jags messageboard, to log into an account they created back in 2008, just to get a post in defending the officiating.
In the meantime, Philly won convincingly with their backup QB.
The Patriots defend titles, not their wins. Philly had a great day. In two weeks, Brady gets his sixth. Nobody will remember bad officiating in the AFCCG.
That's the most truthful thing you posted all night!
(01-22-2018, 02:33 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:29 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ]
[quote='NYC4jags' pid='1098584' dateline='1516602704']
While I tend to think that much of the whining about bad calls and non-calls week in and week out is often much ado about nothing and the majority of it evens out in the wash, you seem to be taking a willfully ignorant approach to the matter.
Firstly - The league does not "often publicly indicate" such mistakes and coaches are strongly urged not to publicly discuss the outcome of such filed grievances.
Second - brushing off blatant hold calls on key plays like the one pointed out to you is the equivalent of burying one's head in the sand on the matter.
I still don't blame this Jags' loss on the refs, because there were ways for the Jags to win this anyway and they didn't do it. But you are turning a blind eye as it suits you.
Google "nfl admits wrong call." You will see a lot of public statements admitting incorrect calls.
Google "I don't want to get fined" and you'll find coaches in pressers unwilling to talk about their filed grievances.
(01-22-2018, 02:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:33 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]Google "nfl admits wrong call." You will see a lot of public statements admitting incorrect calls.
Google "I don't want to get fined" and you'll find coaches in pressers unwilling to talk about their filed grievances.
Why did Jalen and other players hold back talking about the calls? Because it costs them money.
Telvin paid $10k for his pointing "taunt" from last week. The same thing that Gronk has done on numerous occasions with no problem.
(01-22-2018, 02:37 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:36 AM)paksat Wrote: [ -> ]bhahahaahah.. not one time will I ever walk past another pat fan and not scoff at them
They are arrogant, pompous pricks. I live in Rhode Island and haven't met a decent one yet.
(01-22-2018, 02:37 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]The Patriots defend titles, not their wins. Philly had a great day. In two weeks, Brady gets his sixth. Nobody will remember bad officiating in the AFCCG.
That's the most truthful thing you posted all night!
it doesn't matter, the only champions they are rest in their own minds. They can stick their noses up in the air all they want towards people with that reaction but fact remains, everyone who is objective ( everyone who isn't a pats fan ) doesn't give them credit for ANYthing
(01-22-2018, 02:36 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:33 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]Well, you never heard it was a TD against Pats (vs steelers) because by the letter of the rule, it wasn't. James was not a runner, therefore, crossing the plane of the goal was not all he had to do, as if he had he been a runner. He was in the process of making a catch, and thus, has to survive the ground. By the way, I disagree with that, as he did have possession when the ball crossed the plane. But hey, that's the NFLs call, not mine.
Google "nfl admits wrong call." You will see a lot of public statements admitting incorrect calls.
You're denial is sad. The Steelers reversed TD was a catch and a TD and we all know it, period.
and searching for "NFL admits wrong call" DOES NOT change the wins and losses column.
Come back to reality!
See section 2, supplemental note #2:
SUPPLEMENTAL NOTES
(1) The ball is automatically dead when it is in legal possession of a player and is on, above, or behind
the opponent’s goal line.
(2) the player is attempting to catch a pass, the ball is not dead,
and a touchdown is not scored, until the
receiver completes the catch. See Rule 3, Section 2, Article 7.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pub...coring.pdf
(01-22-2018, 02:40 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:38 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Google "I don't want to get fined" and you'll find coaches in pressers unwilling to talk about their filed grievances.
Why did Jalen and other players hold back talking about the calls? Because it costs them money.
Telvin paid $10k for his pointing "taunt" from last week. The same thing that Gronk has done on numerous occasions with no problem.
Yes, publicly you can't speak out against the refs. Teams can, and do, submit "evidence" of bad officiating, and the league also uses that to "score" the officials' officiating throughout the year.
(01-22-2018, 02:41 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:36 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ]You're denial is sad. The Steelers reversed TD was a catch and a TD and we all know it, period.
and searching for "NFL admits wrong call" DOES NOT change the wins and losses column.
Come back to reality!
See section 2, supplemental note #2:
SUPPLEMENTAL NOTES
(1) The ball is automatically dead when it is in legal possession of a player and is on, above, or behind
the opponent’s goal line.
(2) the player is attempting to catch a pass, the ball is not dead, and a touchdown is not scored, until the
receiver completes the catch. See Rule 3, Section 2, Article 7.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pub...coring.pdf
LMBO
"Primary game balls for each team will be numbered one through 12, and any game ball
within the allowable range of 12.5 PSI to 13.5 PSI will be approved, and the PSI level will not be altered. Any game ball that is determined to be over 13.5 PSI or under 12.5 PSI will either be deflated or inflated to 13.0 PSI. The same procedure will be followed with respect to the back-up set of game balls for each team."
(01-22-2018, 02:41 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:36 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ]You're denial is sad. The Steelers reversed TD was a catch and a TD and we all know it, period.
and searching for "NFL admits wrong call" DOES NOT change the wins and losses column.
Come back to reality!
See section 2, supplemental note #2:
SUPPLEMENTAL NOTES
(1) The ball is automatically dead when it is in legal possession of a player and is on, above, or behind
the opponent’s goal line.
(2) the player is attempting to catch a pass, the ball is not dead, and a touchdown is not scored, until the
receiver completes the catch. See Rule 3, Section 2, Article 7.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pub...coring.pdf
(01-22-2018, 02:40 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ]Why did Jalen and other players hold back talking about the calls? Because it costs them money.
Telvin paid $10k for his pointing "taunt" from last week. The same thing that Gronk has done on numerous occasions with no problem.
Yes, publicly you can't speak out against the refs. Teams can, and do, submit "evidence" of bad officiating, and the league also uses that to "score" the officials' officiating throughout the year.
Go to Merriam-Webster.com...search for publicly...coaches/players are fined for publicly questioning officiating.
(01-22-2018, 02:44 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:41 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]See section 2, supplemental note #2:
SUPPLEMENTAL NOTES
(1) The ball is automatically dead when it is in legal possession of a player and is on, above, or behind
the opponent’s goal line.
(2) the player is attempting to catch a pass, the ball is not dead, and a touchdown is not scored, until the
receiver completes the catch. See Rule 3, Section 2, Article 7.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pub...coring.pdf
LMBO
"Primary game balls for each team will be numbered one through 12, and any game ball within the allowable range of 12.5 PSI to 13.5 PSI will be approved, and the PSI level will not be altered. Any game ball that is determined to be over 13.5 PSI or under 12.5 PSI will either be deflated or inflated to 13.0 PSI. The same procedure will be followed with respect to the back-up set of game balls for each team."
And it sucked for the league that Brady played better the 2nd half of Colts game with "legally" inflated footballs. Also, ask Seattle and Falcons if PSI was an issue.. Also, the Colts had footballs that were below the legal PSI in that game. But really? Deflate-gate? In a few weeks, Pats will have won 3 titles since that, all with legally inflated footballs. So I guess we can move on now?
(01-22-2018, 02:44 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:41 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]See section 2, supplemental note #2:
SUPPLEMENTAL NOTES
(1) The ball is automatically dead when it is in legal possession of a player and is on, above, or behind
the opponent’s goal line.
(2) the player is attempting to catch a pass, the ball is not dead, and a touchdown is not scored, until the
receiver completes the catch. See Rule 3, Section 2, Article 7.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pub...coring.pdf
LMBO
"Primary game balls for each team will be numbered one through 12, and any game ball within the allowable range of 12.5 PSI to 13.5 PSI will be approved, and the PSI level will not be altered. Any game ball that is determined to be over 13.5 PSI or under 12.5 PSI will either be deflated or inflated to 13.0 PSI. The same procedure will be followed with respect to the back-up set of game balls for each team."
(01-22-2018, 02:41 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]See section 2, supplemental note #2:
SUPPLEMENTAL NOTES
(1) The ball is automatically dead when it is in legal possession of a player and is on, above, or behind
the opponent’s goal line.
(2) the player is attempting to catch a pass, the ball is not dead, and a touchdown is not scored, until the
receiver completes the catch. See Rule 3, Section 2, Article 7.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pub...coring.pdf
Yes, publicly you can't speak out against the refs. Teams can, and do, submit "evidence" of bad officiating, and the league also uses that to "score" the officials' officiating throughout the year.
Go to Merriam-Webster.com...search for publicly...coaches/players are fined for publicly questioning officiating.
LOL glad you agree with me. You will get fined for publicly speaking out. However, speaking directly with the leauge is perfectly fine.
(01-22-2018, 02:47 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:44 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ]LMBO
"Primary game balls for each team will be numbered one through 12, and any game ball within the allowable range of 12.5 PSI to 13.5 PSI will be approved, and the PSI level will not be altered. Any game ball that is determined to be over 13.5 PSI or under 12.5 PSI will either be deflated or inflated to 13.0 PSI. The same procedure will be followed with respect to the back-up set of game balls for each team."
And it sucked for the league that Brady played better the 2nd half of Colts game with "legally" inflated footballs. Also, ask Seattle and Falcons if PSI was an issue.. Also, the Colts had footballs that were below the legal PSI in that game. But really? Deflate-gate? In a few weeks, Pats will have won 3 titles since that, all with legally inflated footballs. So I guess we can move on now?
Are you done patting yourself on the back? Go enjoy your rigged victory. Cheers.
Well, I think we are done here. I think you guys had a good season, and I think you have much to look forward to. Maybe I'll be back here next year and we can do it again!
(01-22-2018, 02:50 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I think we are done here. I think you guys had a good season, and I think you have much to look forward to. Maybe I'll be back here next year and we can do it again!
Don't come back, not interested in biased discussions.
(01-22-2018, 02:50 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I think we are done here. I think you guys had a good season, and I think you have much to look forward to. Maybe I'll be back here next year and we can do it again!
buy the refs a beer for me
(01-22-2018, 02:31 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:21 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ]Every team can (and many do throughout the year) send a tape to the league office and complain on calls. The league often will publicly indicate when a mistake was made. All I can say is call up the Jags office and nudge them to send that video to NY. I don't have the desire to break down every call/non-call. You win some, you lose some.
I still don't blame this Jags' loss on the refs, because there were ways for the Jags to win this anyway and they didn't do it. But you are turning a blind eye as it suits you.
I understand your point of view, but they did enough to win. The Jack fumble return would have put us in a great position to win.
(01-22-2018, 02:37 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:31 AM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]I like how the officiating is taking the luster away from the win. Then an army of Pats fans have to go to all the social media sites and comments section to defend that win. Some probably had to do the 'ol "forgot my username and password" to the Jags messageboard, to log into an account they created back in 2008, just to get a post in defending the officiating.
In the meantime, Philly won convincingly with their backup QB.
The Patriots defend titles, not their wins. Philly had a great day. In two weeks, Brady gets his sixth. Nobody will remember bad officiating in the AFCCG.
I still remember the Oakland v. New England championship game. They'll remember this one too.
(01-22-2018, 02:41 AM)furi0usbee Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2018, 02:36 AM)Jest101 Wrote: [ -> ]You're denial is sad. The Steelers reversed TD was a catch and a TD and we all know it, period.
and searching for "NFL admits wrong call" DOES NOT change the wins and losses column.
Come back to reality!
See section 2, supplemental note #2:
SUPPLEMENTAL NOTES
(1) The ball is automatically dead when it is in legal possession of a player and is on, above, or behind
the opponent’s goal line.
(2) the player is attempting to catch a pass, the ball is not dead, and a touchdown is not scored, until the
receiver completes the catch. See Rule 3, Section 2, Article 7.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/pub...coring.pdf
He completed the catch before going into the endzone. The ball was firmly within grasp and then moved toward the goaline where he scored a TD. Worst case scenario: he fumbled as he hits the ground... but he still maintain exclusive possession.
Almost everyone agrees that the Jaguars were robbed last night. Do you think it's a coincidence that every team thinks New England cheats? There's a reason that they're always surrounded in controversy. It seems they can't just go out and dominate (consistently) without having something iffy work out in their favor.
We lost. If it was because of the calls in the first half or the non calls in the second half. Pissed but at the same time Jags knew they had to win this game convincingly to avoid what happenend,. But still feel alot robbed