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(03-21-2018, 07:17 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-21-2018, 12:17 AM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]One possibility that came to mind is the Cowboys decide to sign Allen Hurns.   Then they release Dez Bryant.   The Jaguars then attempt to sign Dez Bryant with some of the salary cap savings from today.    Like Hurns was,  Bryant would be a good fit in terms of being an extension of the Jaguars running game.  Bryant would be a significant upgrade as a receiver.   Whether Bryant would be a good fit from a chemistry perspective from the viewpoint of Tom Coughlin and Doug Marrone seems like a key question.

A big no thanks on Bryant.

 That would be my response if looking at it from a Jaguars fan perspective.  Much more because of the personality factor than concerns about physical skills declining. 

  I think a major part of why Dez Bryant hasn't been as productive in the last couple of seasons is the football chemistry between him and Dak Prescott isn't remotely close to the level that it was between Dez Bryant and Tony Romo.   While Prescott has far exceeded the expectations of the spot he was drafted in,  the experience Romo provided has been a difficult component to replace in the short term.   

 In essence,  the possibility  that I raised came to mind in trying to figure out what positions/ players the Jaguars are likely looking at with the available salary cap space from the release of the Jaguars two veteran skills players.  WR jumped out immediately,  especially when factoring in the FA loss of Allen Robinson as well.   The Jaguars overall roster is amongst the best in the NFL.  Other than the backup QB situation and another LB,  it's hard to find another position that looks like a glaring need.

Dez is a head case with butter fingers. No thanks

(03-20-2018, 10:32 AM)BklynJag Wrote: [ -> ]So would everyone agree we got worse at the WR position so far this offseason?

I think everyone can agree you're a sad little man always looking for the grey clouds.

But sure... without seeing the actual results of what will be, you could assume our WR corp is worse than it was last year.
No Robinson, no Hurns (neither of which we had much last year). Keep Lee, sign Moncrief, who both have injury histories and a relative lack in production... Banking on Westbrook and Cole to step up is a big ask sure... Mickens and Wynn too.

I don't think it's as big of a deal as you'd like it to be.

(03-21-2018, 11:17 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-21-2018, 10:57 AM)Kcirred Wrote: [ -> ]LMAO yes my post reeks of bias, you mean facts? I'm far from biased compared to others here.  Does Marquis Lee seriously have fans? Explain how Lee has more playmaking ability, there is no truth to it.  Lee has 8 career touchdowns, Hurns has 21.  Hurns has a 1000 yards season, Lee has zero.  Hurns has multiple touchdowns and catches that are 50+ yards, you'd have to dig deep into the internet to find a Marquis Lee catch 50 yards or longer.  I was being generous calling Lee mediocre, he's a bad receiver being force fed the ball on crossing routes.  He can't make plays on any other routes.  I don't even care that Allen Hurns was cut but the only thing that stopped him were injuries, Lee being a naturally better playmaker than him is laughable.

Lee doesn't have better yac ability either, Lee being faster means nothing and he isn't even all that faster.  He ran a 4.52, Hurns ran a 4.55.  There are zero plays of Lee running away from anybody.  You can find one of Hurns in 10 seconds.  



Lee would of ran out of bounds like he always does.

Down by 34 points and he makes a "play" against a defense that was clearly playing soft and letting up with 7:00 minutes left in the game. That was probably his rookie season or the year Luck wasn't playing. Or that actually looks like the game where Henne was pulled for Bortles.

This is why I laugh at you fools that keep circling back to 2014 or 2015 as the "pinnacle" for Hurns and Robinson's "monster" stats those years. That game was garbage time. Just like most of 2015 played out.

Robinson pulled in a 90 yard TD pass later on in NOLA that same year and we were also already beat and had our teeth kicked in for the day. Just eating up more garbage plays against defenses not trying to beat you up anymore to get the game over with by allowing you to run the clock out.

This post is full of excuses.  And If you actually bothered to read my posts,I’m solely talking about PAST Hurns so obviously I’ll bring up 2015 stats.  I’ve stated multiple times that injuries ruined him.  But you lee leg humpers act as if I’m talking about the present.  Hurns is a shell of his former self now.  Lol at the garbage time argument.  99% of jags fans ripped into Lee calling him garbage when he dropped that pass against the Jets, now that the jags resigned him he’s good again.

The truth is all 3 of the core receivers for the jags were mediocre.

Robinson a ho hum 2016 followed by a major injury
Hurns has been very mediocre and injury prone
Lee misses some big catches. I still remember that Jets overtime drop.

Reports of the team asking Hurns to take a pay cut around the Combine and him responding by telling them to just cut him would indicate that the reason the Jags cut him when they did (after the free agent WR market had dried up a bit) was because they were probably trying to trade him but got no takers with teams likely suspecting he’d be cut because of his salary. Will be interesting to see what type of average yearly salary he commands with his injury history.

(03-22-2018, 11:09 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Reports of the team asking Hurns to take a pay cut around the Combine and him responding by telling them to just cut him would indicate that the reason the Jags cut him when they did (after the free agent WR market had dried up a bit) was because they were probably trying to trade him but got no takers with teams likely suspecting he’d be cut because of his salary.  Will be interesting to see what type of average yearly salary he commands with his injury history.

Yeah. They tried to work something out and then tried to trade. I see no foul play or lack of class in the Jags actions.


I'd guess he gets 2 or 3 years at around 5.5 or 6 million per year with playing time incentives, but who knows with the way WR salaries have inflated? He could get more.

I’m still at a loss over the $4 million guarantee this year. The team said there was no such deadline, but that doesn’t seem to be a sufficient explanation unless I missed something else. His deal was reported to have a $20 million guarantee of which he had received $16 million. Was the total guarantee misreported? Are there perhaps offsets in the deal which put his new team on the hook for the $4 million? Or did he get cut and get handed a $4 million dollar check on his way out of the building?

Well spotrac is no longer showing the $20 million guarantee number and is now showing $16 million so I guess it was misreported.

(03-21-2018, 03:43 PM)Kcirred Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-21-2018, 11:17 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Down by 34 points and he makes a "play" against a defense that was clearly playing soft and letting up with 7:00 minutes left in the game. That was probably his rookie season or the year Luck wasn't playing. Or that actually looks like the game where Henne was pulled for Bortles.

This is why I laugh at you fools that keep circling back to 2014 or 2015 as the "pinnacle" for Hurns and Robinson's "monster" stats those years. That game was garbage time. Just like most of 2015 played out.

Robinson pulled in a 90 yard TD pass later on in NOLA that same year and we were also already beat and had our teeth kicked in for the day. Just eating up more garbage plays against defenses not trying to beat you up anymore to get the game over with by allowing you to run the clock out.

This post is full of excuses.  And If you actually bothered to read my posts,I’m solely talking about PAST Hurns so obviously I’ll bring up 2015 stats.  I’ve stated multiple times that injuries ruined him.  But you lee leg humpers act as if I’m talking about the present.  Hurns is a shell of his former self now.  Lol at the garbage time argument.  99% of jags fans ripped into Lee calling him garbage when he dropped that pass against the Jets, now that the jags resigned him he’s good again.

I am not sold on Lee either. Don't lump me in with that lot. But to act like Hurns and Robinson were that much better is laughable at best. And even if 2015 wasn't mostly garbage time as you've pointed out along with Jags02. I would like to see how many chunk plays they had in the 2nd half of losses then. Like it or not. Robinson was severely overpaid by the Bears and he'll put up 2015 numbers again because he's playing on another garbage team. And Hurns was clearly overpaid and not willing to take the pay cut. 

Because just based on that play you had of Hurns it was a huge chunk play during garbage time. Just like Robinson's 90 yard chunk play in NOLA that same year. You can pad stats here and there. And even if you did break the numbers out on a quarterly basis I am willing to bet that Hurns and Robinson in 2015 probably averaged out to basically that, just average when the game was within reach still but ended up padding away with stats.

His mom made a lot of fans feel special.
She accepted anyone's friend request that she got on Facebook and she would to talk to you, send you pictures....
It was really cool that she didn't close everyone off.
I guess we know where Allen got his class from.
Mrs. Erica Wilson

(03-22-2018, 12:19 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Well spotrac is no longer showing the $20 million guarantee number and is now showing $16 million so I guess it was misreported.

I guess, but I went back and looked at the intial reports and they all were saying $20 mil in guarantees. 

I noticed at BCC that an article broke down the initial $16 mil in guarantees and was speculating about the additional $4 mil probably being guaranteed salary in 2018. I imagine that's where Spotrac got it from.

Rule of thumb... don't trust anything you read at BCC.

BCC is fine just because they don't eat up all the jags moves/decisions like other places.

Hurns to meet with the Cowboys and the Jets

(03-22-2018, 08:22 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Hurns to meet with the Cowboys and the Jets

...and Bears.

(03-22-2018, 06:00 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]BCC is fine just because they don't eat up all the jags moves/decisions like other places.

If were as simple as that it would be pretty cool.  Unfortunately they are more into hating on stuff just to hate on it without actually thinking it through.  

But - you know -  if you want ad dollars you need clicks. If you need clicks you gotta stir the pot. 
 I rarely find any actual stimulating discussion there, but I get it.  I try again every so often, but I usually get turned off pretty quickly by some ill-informed garbage analysis/opinion.

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I'd enjoy watching Hurns play for the Cowboys. 
Hope he gets a good deal somewhere with a decent QB.

(03-22-2018, 08:29 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-22-2018, 08:22 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Hurns to meet with the Cowboys and the Jets

...and Bears.

Nice, I hope he goes to the Bears.  I think the Bears has a shot at the playoffs if they get Hurns.  Trubisky I think will improve the most this year

(03-22-2018, 08:29 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-22-2018, 06:00 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]BCC is fine just because they don't eat up all the jags moves/decisions like other places.

If were as simple as that it would be pretty cool.  Unfortunately they are more into hating on stuff just to hate on it without actually thinking it through.  

But - you know -  if you want ad dollars you need clicks. If you need clicks you gotta stir the pot. 
 I rarely find any actual stimulating discussion there, but I get it.  I try again every so often, but I usually get turned off pretty quickly by some ill-informed garbage analysis/opinion.

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I'd enjoy watching Hurns play for the Cowboys. 
Hope he gets a good deal somewhere with a decent QB.

I will say bcc comment section is garbage 100%.

(03-22-2018, 08:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-22-2018, 08:29 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]...and Bears.

Nice, I hope he goes to the Bears.  I think the Bears has a shot at the playoffs if they get Hurns.  Trubisky I think will improve the most this year

The Allens reunited after injury riddled seasons with a young gun at QB... Watch out for Da Bears.