(03-17-2018, 09:30 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 05:50 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]This fan base just loves to cut, or trade people for no reason.
Like talking about trading a 23 year old Pass Rusher in Fowler, when this league is all about rushing the passer and how you can't have enough of them.
Simply stupid.
It is really not stupid if it lands them the QB they want this draft and when you consider we are already 27M over the cap next season without factoring in rookie class (~6M), Fowler's option (13M), and ASJ deal (5M?)... going to be about 50M above. I'd love for them to keep Fowler, but he is the best tradable piece we have and if they want to get a QB they are in love with Fowler can possibly get them to that pick. By no means is it a "must trade Fowler" thing.
And there will be players let go next season that lowers that cap number. The salary cap will be higher next season, so that'll also lower the number. I also think the professionals who are running this front office have a little more of an idea of what they're doing number wise than any of us.
You trade Fowler and we're one Ngakoue injury away from being back in 2013 as far as our edge rushers go. AKA Nobody. This team hasn't had pass rushers in forever and now you all want to ship away a very promising 23 year pass rusher...
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Ideally I think everyone would want to keep Fowler.
The only issue is his upcoming option/contract. Let's say Fowler has a similar season to this past year. 8 sacks or so as a rotational player. How much would you be willing to pay him per year to keep him?
(03-17-2018, 11:05 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Ideally I think everyone would want to keep Fowler.
The only issue is his upcoming option/contract. Let's say Fowler has a similar season to this past year. 8 sacks or so as a rotational player. How much would you be willing to pay him per year to keep him?
You cross that bridge when you get there.
(03-17-2018, 11:12 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 11:05 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Ideally I think everyone would want to keep Fowler.
The only issue is his upcoming option/contract. Let's say Fowler has a similar season to this past year. 8 sacks or so as a rotational player. How much would you be willing to pay him per year to keep him?
You cross that bridge when you get there.
Not much of an answer. For that role , production and upside I'd probably pay 10 million or so per.
His option is a decent amount more than that and I'm not sure how it fits in with us right now.
(03-17-2018, 10:57 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 09:30 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]It is really not stupid if it lands them the QB they want this draft and when you consider we are already 27M over the cap next season without factoring in rookie class (~6M), Fowler's option (13M), and ASJ deal (5M?)... going to be about 50M above. I'd love for them to keep Fowler, but he is the best tradable piece we have and if they want to get a QB they are in love with Fowler can possibly get them to that pick. By no means is it a "must trade Fowler" thing.
And there will be players let go next season that lowers that cap number. The salary cap will be higher next season, so that'll also lower the number. I also think the professionals who are running this front office have a little more of an idea of what they're doing number wise than any of us.
You trade Fowler and we're one Ngakoue injury away from being back in 2013 as far as our edge rushers go. AKA Nobody. This team hasn't had pass rushers in forever and now you all want to ship away a very promising 23 year pass rusher...
For a franchise QB absolutely yes. QB>pass rusher every time. He is a legit trade piece in a legit QB class.
(03-17-2018, 11:23 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 11:12 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]You cross that bridge when you get there.
Not much of an answer. For that role , production and upside I'd probably pay 10 million or so per.
His option is a decent amount more than that and I'm not sure how it fits in with us right now.
Of course it wasn't much of an answer because there's a lot that can happen in the next year and it's pointless to worry about that stuff right now. Worst case he walks and we get a compensatory pick.
(03-17-2018, 11:27 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 10:57 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]And there will be players let go next season that lowers that cap number. The salary cap will be higher next season, so that'll also lower the number. I also think the professionals who are running this front office have a little more of an idea of what they're doing number wise than any of us.
You trade Fowler and we're one Ngakoue injury away from being back in 2013 as far as our edge rushers go. AKA Nobody. This team hasn't had pass rushers in forever and now you all want to ship away a very promising 23 year pass rusher...
For a franchise QB absolutely yes. QB>pass rusher every time. He is a legit trade piece in a legit QB class.
This team isn't trading up into the top 5-10 for a QB lol.
(03-17-2018, 11:30 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 11:23 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Not much of an answer. For that role , production and upside I'd probably pay 10 million or so per.
His option is a decent amount more than that and I'm not sure how it fits in with us right now.
Of course it wasn't much of an answer because there's a lot that can happen in the next year and it's pointless to worry about that stuff right now. Worst case he walks and we get a compensatory pick.
(03-17-2018, 11:27 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]For a franchise QB absolutely yes. QB>pass rusher every time. He is a legit trade piece in a legit QB class.
This team isn't trading up into the top 5-10 for a QB lol.
The entire time I been saying to use Fowler as a trade chip to move up there, not just for the sake of trading him. He is 23 and showed a lot of potential the last season in very limited snaps. Use him, the #1, and whatever the FO needs to move up there. It's a hypothetical. Nobody wants to trade him for the sake of it. chiefs made it happen last year. It can happen.
(03-17-2018, 11:30 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 11:23 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Not much of an answer. For that role , production and upside I'd probably pay 10 million or so per.
His option is a decent amount more than that and I'm not sure how it fits in with us right now.
Of course it wasn't much of an answer because there's a lot that can happen in the next year and it's pointless to worry about that stuff right now. Worst case he walks and we get a compensatory pick.
(03-17-2018, 11:27 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]For a franchise QB absolutely yes. QB>pass rusher every time. He is a legit trade piece in a legit QB class.
This team isn't trading up into the top 5-10 for a QB lol.
Nobody is worried. Just pondering the future build of the team. Would you be fine for Fowler to play under the option with his current production?
(03-17-2018, 05:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 05:16 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I've been saying it for months now. Hurns is washed up. I don't know if injuries took their toll or what but he is not the same player.
Washed up? He has been hurt and the last game we played he was finall healthy and our best WR
Yup, and people call me clueless.
I like Hurns but $7 million is a lot for a guy who hasn't cracked 500 yards in two straight seasons, and that would make two of those guys at the WR position on the roster
I get the feeling he and Moncrief will battle for a spot in the preseason because Cole and Westbrook need snaps to continue developing.
(03-17-2018, 11:39 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 11:30 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Of course it wasn't much of an answer because there's a lot that can happen in the next year and it's pointless to worry about that stuff right now. Worst case he walks and we get a compensatory pick.
This team isn't trading up into the top 5-10 for a QB lol.
The entire time I been saying to use Fowler as a trade chip to move up there, not just for the sake of trading him. He is 23 and showed a lot of potential the last season in very limited snaps. Use him, the #1, and whatever the FO needs to move up there. It's a hypothetical. Nobody wants to trade him for the sake of it. chiefs made it happen last year. It can happen.
And I just said this team isn't trading up to the top 5-10 lol.
It literally goes against everything they're doing and building. This team is in win now mode. They need help now. The don't need to give up a bunch of assets for a question mark who is going to sit on the bench all season long, unless there's an injury. Late teens, early 20's, maybe.
(03-17-2018, 11:40 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 11:30 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Of course it wasn't much of an answer because there's a lot that can happen in the next year and it's pointless to worry about that stuff right now. Worst case he walks and we get a compensatory pick.
This team isn't trading up into the top 5-10 for a QB lol.
Nobody is worried. Just pondering the future build of the team. Would you be fine for Fowler to play under the option with his current production?
There's still a full season worth of possible production that has yet to be determined that'll factor into that decision.
(03-18-2018, 12:20 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 11:39 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]The entire time I been saying to use Fowler as a trade chip to move up there, not just for the sake of trading him. He is 23 and showed a lot of potential the last season in very limited snaps. Use him, the #1, and whatever the FO needs to move up there. It's a hypothetical. Nobody wants to trade him for the sake of it. chiefs made it happen last year. It can happen.
And I just said this team isn't trading up to the top 5-10 lol.
It literally goes against everything they're doing and building. This team is in win now mode. They need help now. The don't need to give up a bunch of assets for a question mark who is going to sit on the bench all season long, unless there's an injury. Late teens, early 20's, maybe.
(03-17-2018, 11:40 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody is worried. Just pondering the future build of the team. Would you be fine for Fowler to play under the option with his current production?
There's still a full season worth of possible production that has yet to be determined that'll factor into that decision.
You sound like a politician. We're just spitballing here it's okay to say what you think.
(03-18-2018, 12:23 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 12:20 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]And I just said this team isn't trading up to the top 5-10 lol.
It literally goes against everything they're doing and building. This team is in win now mode. They need help now. The don't need to give up a bunch of assets for a question mark who is going to sit on the bench all season long, unless there's an injury. Late teens, early 20's, maybe.
There's still a full season worth of possible production that has yet to be determined that'll factor into that decision.
You sound like a politician. We're just spitballing here it's okay to say what you think.
I did tell you what I thought from the very start lol.. I said that it was stupid to even think about shipping off a 23 year old pass rusher.
As far as resigning him goes, like I said, you cross that bridge next off season when it comes. But, I think he'd be very willing to work with this team and sign a team friendly deal. He's a home town Florida kid. Went to HS in Florida, College in Florida and now the NFL in Florida.
(03-17-2018, 06:45 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think they are in any rush to trade Hurns. Moncrief will have to prove himself in camp and the preseason to earn his deal.
If Hurns plays well in the preseason and Moncrief doesn't, they can cut Moncrief and not be on the hook for anything.
If Moncrief performs like they hope and Hurns doesn't play well enough for a roster spot, then Hurns could go on the trading block late in the preseason. There are always teams at that time of year dealing with injuries that would be interested in a trade.
They could even trade him mid-season up until the trade deadline. Say for instance he plays 5 games with the Jaguars and then gets traded... well, the Jaguars would have to pay his base salary for those five weeks, but then his new team would take over and pay his base salaries for the final 12 weeks.
As for the deadline, Oesher was right as it was worded into his contract. It says it right there on his spotrac page...
Quote:$4M of 2018 salary guarantees 3/16/2018
If nothing is imminent I wonder why Hurns scrubbed any Jags info from his social media.
(03-18-2018, 01:57 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]If nothing is imminent I wonder why Hurns scrubbed any Jags info from his social media.
Lee doesn't have any Jags info on his twitter either, does that mean he's being traded also?....
(03-18-2018, 02:03 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 01:57 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]If nothing is imminent I wonder why Hurns scrubbed any Jags info from his social media.
Lee doesn't have any Jags info on his twitter either, does that mean he's being traded also?....
Did he previously have Jags info everywhere and then remove it right around the time that he made an odd cryptic tweet that also corresponded with some kind of contract guarantee deadline?
(03-18-2018, 12:20 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 11:39 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]The entire time I been saying to use Fowler as a trade chip to move up there, not just for the sake of trading him. He is 23 and showed a lot of potential the last season in very limited snaps. Use him, the #1, and whatever the FO needs to move up there. It's a hypothetical. Nobody wants to trade him for the sake of it. chiefs made it happen last year. It can happen.
And I just said this team isn't trading up to the top 5-10 lol.
It literally goes against everything they're doing and building. This team is in win now mode. They need help now. The don't need to give up a bunch of assets for a question mark who is going to sit on the bench all season long, unless there's an injury. Late teens, early 20's, maybe.
(03-17-2018, 11:40 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody is worried. Just pondering the future build of the team. Would you be fine for Fowler to play under the option with his current production?
There's still a full season worth of possible production that has yet to be determined that'll factor into that decision.
Team is all in for 2018. Add fowlers option we are close to 50M over. LOTS of cuts will be made... so many holes on defense will happen because of it. What better than to have a franchise QB who got a year to learn ready to take over?
(03-18-2018, 02:26 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 02:03 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Lee doesn't have any Jags info on his twitter either, does that mean he's being traded also?....
Did he previously have Jags info everywhere and then remove it right around the time that he made an odd cryptic tweet that also corresponded with some kind of contract guarantee deadline?
I don't stalk their social medias so I don't know. And honestly I don't really care.
Hurns saying "blessed" is a sign that he's being traded? You do realize these guys live lives that go beyond just football right? Everything they tweet isn't just about football.
Hurns has not come close to living up to this contract.