(03-20-2018, 11:23 AM)DangerousBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 11:02 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]"Per NFLPA, #Jaguars had a whopping $5,937,514 in cap space at the start of the day. If, um, the reported transaction happens, that creates an extra $7 million."
Could they be freeing up this money with a player in mind to sign?
Keep in mind we need approximately 10,000,000 for rookies we draft. So we'd need to free up some space for the rookies. I would not be surprised if we sign no one.
This is absolutely not true.
(03-20-2018, 11:23 AM)DangerousBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 11:02 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]"Per NFLPA, #Jaguars had a whopping $5,937,514 in cap space at the start of the day. If, um, the reported transaction happens, that creates an extra $7 million."
Could they be freeing up this money with a player in mind to sign?
Keep in mind we need approximately 10,000,000 for rookies we draft. So we'd need to free up some space for the rookies. I would not be surprised if we sign no one.
The rookie pool is already accounted for. This would be 12 million we would have left over
No hand wringing here. If the defense falls off a cliff in their performance, well then call me a jumper.
(03-20-2018, 11:18 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 11:15 AM)SignMeUpAtQB Wrote: [ -> ]Because a few weeks ago we could use the cap space to get a good FA, at this point there are no big FAs left that would make us better.
So assuming we kept him, where does Hurns fit on the depth chart?
Lee
Moncrief
Cole
Westbrook
Mickens
Rookie
...Hurns.
How are you putting Mickens and a Rookie ahead of Hurns...
We dont have a Nr1 guy so we would have probably used different sets and rotations.
At least keep some depth with guys fighting for the starting Positions and get some competition going to get the most out of guys. Our receiving core is already terrible, our QB is terrible, I just dont think we are in a position to cut WRs and replace them with rookies and special teamers.
Again, I dont consider Hurns to be anything special, but to cut him now after FA and before camp just doesnt really make a lot of sense.
(03-20-2018, 11:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 11:17 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Nope. Robinson didn't play at all last year. Hurns hasn't played a full season since 2015, where he and Robinson essentially racked up garbage time statistics. And the last time I recalled Robinson on the field before the ACL he was dropping passes or tipping them up into the air for INT's. So I don't get where people think we've downgraded at the position this off season.
We won games WITHOUT them. We were in a Championship game with TWO ROOKIES at WR playing on the field. I think I'll trust this front office's judgement and personnel decisions more than what anybody around here thinks. Lee outperformed Hurns in 2016 and Robinson was "slightly" better than him statistically.
This was during Bradley's final year before the offense was to be completely revamped and changed to an old school offense. It's pretty clear what the goal is now on offense. Power run game with heavy TE involvement and the dictation of opposing defenses in hopes of opening up the play action game with our smaller, more quick and faster receivers that can get downfield in a hurry.
And, again. We still have the draft next month. People seem to keep forgetting this. Plenty of tall, physical, "go up and get it" type of receivers in this year's class. We very well may see Caldwell & Coughlin go after one of them on opening night if they don't have a trade in mind to move up to land a premium player at a different position.
I understand what you're saying but how likely is it that we repeat that same outcome?
"We made it to the AFCCG with Blake and no ARob and rookies! We don't need anyone else!"
Well we made it to the AFCCG without Norwell so why did we sign him?
Easy. Defense keeps kicking [BLEEP] and taking names. And those rookies from last year should all be better now going into their 2nd years as a unit. Lee, Cole and Westbrook should be able to handle the load. Especially if we start using the TE position more and keep the ground game going. And again, I can't stress this enough. We still have the draft...
I don't quite get all the clamoring over how "large" our cap space is. This isn't fantasy football.
IIRC, Caldwell has spoken of the desire for carry over to handle the upcoming re-signings that will have to happen.
It won't be cheap tying up Ramsey. Consider we've got others we'd like to keep as well (Mack, etc.)
(03-20-2018, 11:25 AM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 10:43 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Unless the team has supreme confidence either in their own ability to find a stud WR in this draft, or in the abilities of Westbrook and Cole to develop into productive WRs, it's hard to think this team did not take a step back at WR when coupled with the Robinson loss.
I couldn't disagree more. Cole and Lee were our top two producers and they're back. Nothing changes there.
Add Moncrief and Westbrook with a season under his belt, and that's just gravy. That's not even considering any possible additions.
Interesting that folks seem there to be no effect regarding Robinson's major injury. That's yet to be seen. In any case, we came within a game of the Super Bowl without him. That's what leaves me worry-free.
Cole was a pleasant surprise. Once he made the adjustment to the pro game, he was a productive player for us. Last year, I speculated Cole could eventually develop into a #1.
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=22970
But now that teams have tape on him (and Westbrook) and how we use them, I want to see how they progress. My thoughts should not be construed as an indictment against Cole.
Like I said (in a different thread?) I can get the argument that supports Hurns being cut.
I just know what he and Robinson did for us when they were healthy. While there could be some lingering effects from the various injuries they had, I don't think either are particularly debilitating. I think both Hurns and Robinson could still be productive receivers in the right situation.
(03-20-2018, 11:29 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 11:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I understand what you're saying but how likely is it that we repeat that same outcome?
"We made it to the AFCCG with Blake and no ARob and rookies! We don't need anyone else!"
Well we made it to the AFCCG without Norwell so why did we sign him?
Easy. Defense keeps kicking [BLEEP] and taking names. And those rookies from last year should all be better now going into their 2nd years as a unit. Lee, Cole and Westbrook should be able to handle the load. Especially if we start using the TE position more and keep the ground game going. And again, I can't stress this enough. We still have the draft...
Our Offense at this point is absolutely terrible for a team trying to make it to the AFCCG again. We have the worst QB in our division/below average NFL QB, our receiving core are 2 Sophmores and an average guy in Lee that has had difficulties holding on to the ball last year. ASJ is one DUI away from being out of the league and he hasnt been able to reach his potential anywhere else. I mean come on, I understand our defense is good but we also lost Colvin and Poz and the other Teams in our division greatly improved their Defense as well as already having better offensive players in key positions.
I think "Run the ball and good D" just wont cut it in the NFL if you want to make it to a Superbowl imo. There are too many IFs (Cole and Westbrook need to get better, ASJ needs to have an immediate impact, Lee has to stop dropping the ball etc...). Thats not the healthiest way to build a contender...
(03-20-2018, 11:29 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 11:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I understand what you're saying but how likely is it that we repeat that same outcome?
"We made it to the AFCCG with Blake and no ARob and rookies! We don't need anyone else!"
Well we made it to the AFCCG without Norwell so why did we sign him?
Easy. Defense keeps kicking [BLEEP] and taking names. And those rookies from last year should all be better now going into their 2nd years as a unit. Lee, Cole and Westbrook should be able to handle the load. Especially if we start using the TE position more and keep the ground game going. And again, I can't stress this enough. We still have the draft...
Lol it won't be easy.
The argument that we did it without them so we can do it again is a pretty bad one.
(03-20-2018, 11:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]"We made it to the AFCCG with Blake and no ARob and rookies! We don't need anyone else!"
Well we made it to the AFCCG without Norwell so why did we sign him?
This is simply poor optics.
Without ARob, we didn't skip a beat. No drop off. That's not to say we don't "need" anyone else... yes, we certainly did need a guard, and we got the best on the market.
We didn't "need" ARob. Would it have been nice to keep him. Certainly.
But he simply was not a "need."
That being said. You're smart enough to realize that there's no correlation even though that's what you're reaching for here with the misuse of the term "need" in your "We don't need anyone else!" strawman, which no one said ever.
(03-20-2018, 11:32 AM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]I don't quite get all the clamoring over how "large" our cap space is. This isn't fantasy football.
IIRC, Caldwell has spoken of the desire for carry over to handle the upcoming re-signings that will have to happen.
It won't be cheap tying up Ramsey. Consider we've got others we'd like to keep as well (Mack, etc.)
Don't worry about the money for Ramsey, Yannick and Jack.
The cap will continue to increase by about 10 million per year. Other big ticket guys will be off the books considering they will be old (Campbell and Dareus) so no need to worry.
(03-20-2018, 11:40 AM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 11:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]"We made it to the AFCCG with Blake and no ARob and rookies! We don't need anyone else!"
Well we made it to the AFCCG without Norwell so why did we sign him?
This is simply poor optics.
Without ARob, we didn't skip a beat. No drop off. That's not to say we don't "need" anyone else... yes, we certainly did need a guard, and we got the best on the market.
We didn't "need" ARob. Would it have been nice to keep him. Certainly.
But he simply was not a "need."
That being said. You're smart enough to realize that there's no correlation even though that's what you're reaching for here with the misuse of the term "need" in your "We don't need anyone else!" strawman, which no one said ever.
So nitpicking on the word "need" I see. Great to have you back lol
(03-20-2018, 11:40 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 11:32 AM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]I don't quite get all the clamoring over how "large" our cap space is. This isn't fantasy football.
IIRC, Caldwell has spoken of the desire for carry over to handle the upcoming re-signings that will have to happen.
It won't be cheap tying up Ramsey. Consider we've got others we'd like to keep as well (Mack, etc.)
Don't worry about the money for Ramsey, Yannick and Jack.
The cap will continue to increase by about 10 million per year. Other big ticket guys will be off the books considering they will be old (Campbell and Dareus) so no need to worry.
I don't "worry" about it either way.
Just explaining why having cap space isn't a panic trigger to feel the need to spend it all, or worry if we don't.
(03-20-2018, 11:36 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 11:29 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Easy. Defense keeps kicking [BLEEP] and taking names. And those rookies from last year should all be better now going into their 2nd years as a unit. Lee, Cole and Westbrook should be able to handle the load. Especially if we start using the TE position more and keep the ground game going. And again, I can't stress this enough. We still have the draft...
Lol it won't be easy.
The argument that we did it without them so we can do it again is a pretty bad one.
No, it's not a bad argument at all. It's actually factual. If you can do it without them. Why can it not be repeated? They literally played ZERO [BLEEP] role in us getting there last year. And, again. If the defense stays intact and they continue to run the football while emphasizing the TE's involvement more through the air and with blocking. It'll even and level itself out on offense.
And I am going to trust this staff and the front office after what they managed to pull off last year. There's no reason for anybody around here to be so damned down and out this off season. And, once again, there's still a draft to add more playmakers....
(03-20-2018, 11:27 AM)SignMeUpAtQB Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 11:18 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]So assuming we kept him, where does Hurns fit on the depth chart?
Lee
Moncrief
Cole
Westbrook
Mickens
Rookie
...Hurns.
How are you putting Mickens and a Rookie ahead of Hurns...
We dont have a Nr1 guy so we would have probably used different sets and rotations.
At least keep some depth with guys fighting for the starting Positions and get some competition going to get the most out of guys. receiving core is already terrible, our QB is terrible, I just dont think we are in a position to cut WRs and replace them with rookies and special teamers.
Again, I dont consider Hurns to be anything special, but to cut him now after FA and before camp just doesnt really make a lot of sense.
You can order the depth chart all you like but it is what it is. At BEST Hurns is the 3rd best WR on the team. In reality is he's more likely the 4th or 5th WR on the team. That's hard justify paying 7 mil for, especially "just to keep depth".