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Curtis Ennis... ugh.

(12-06-2019, 04:24 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Curtis Ennis... ugh.

yeah just illustrates the stubbornness of Coughlin the GM.  He is one hell of a coach but doesn't do well with salary cap or draft options.  Perfect for a head office job.

(12-06-2019, 02:26 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone catch the most recent Bold Take podcast?

Dilla - a known jags Twitter insider dropped some nuggets on the last episode. Apparently the shouting match between Doug and Coughlin after the game was indeed about benching Foles over Minshew.

To paraphrase:

Tom said to Doug “I told you if Nick is healthy then he plays no matter what.”

And Doug responded by saying “for however long I’m here I’m just trying to win a game”

They then proceeded to drop f bombs to each other.

He also mentioned that Tom was the the one who was all in on drafting Fournette. Dave wanted to either trade back and take CMC or Mahomes.

Link below. Podcast is probably NSFW:

https://twitter.com/boldtakepod/status/1...66752?s=21

Who would have thought?

If Caldwell wanted CMC and Mahommes, and Coughlin is trying to grab Fournette, that may be enough for Caldwell to hold onto his job. This can only happen so many times before Shad notices that Coughlin is a problem.

If true I will admit I am wrong about caldwell

I'm still highly skeptical about the Mahomes part for the simple reason that Caldwell was still tied to Blake at that point and made zero efforts to give him competition. Also all the reports stated Coughlin had to be sold on Blake.

The CMC part I can believe

(12-06-2019, 02:26 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone catch the most recent Bold Take podcast?

Dilla - a known jags Twitter insider dropped some nuggets on the last episode. Apparently the shouting match between Doug and Coughlin after the game was indeed about benching Foles over Minshew.

To paraphrase:

Tom said to Doug “I told you if Nick is healthy then he plays no matter what.”

And Doug responded by saying “for however long I’m here I’m just trying to win a game”

They then proceeded to drop f bombs to each other.

He also mentioned that Tom was the the one who was all in on drafting Fournette. Dave wanted to either trade back and take CMC or Mahomes.

Link below. Podcast is probably NSFW:

https://twitter.com/boldtakepod/status/1...66752?s=21

There it is, yeah this is where I heard it was all Coughlin with Foles.. And yeah he needs to go asap.

So what if the problem the entire time has been coughlin and Marrone has had his hands tied? What if he isn’t a bad coach?

(12-06-2019, 11:08 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still highly skeptical about the Mahomes part for the simple reason that Caldwell was still tied to Blake at that point and made zero efforts to give him competition. Also all the reports stated Coughlin had to be sold on Blake.

I'm not a Coughlin guy at this point, and am finding myself on the fence about Caldwell with everything that's been coming out... But this whole Caldwell "would have traded back to try to get one of 2 of the best players drafted" reeks of the months of "If Gene Smith had full authority, he wouldn't have made any of the bad picks Shack made and would have drafted HOF players every single year" hype we were fed after Shack was pushed out. I can believe CMC, but like you, I'm a little skeptical of taking Mahomes with Blake still where he was. Though Blake was coming off a not-great season, so maybe Caldwell saw the writing on the wall?

Ultimately though, who really knows what's going on inside that building? I'm not even sure I trust this Dilla guy entirely; hasn't his only real big break been the Ramsey stuff? If so, he might be more "Ramsey's camp" than "Jaguars insider," which would make this whole take of his come off as basically spilled milk, or at least to me.

(12-06-2019, 04:23 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2019, 04:14 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be surprised one bit that any if not all of it is true.  This team has screwed up at every turn.  Honestly what would have happened if we had Mahomes?  Do we really think we would make him a star

Mahomes is a natural with the football. He has certainly showcased abilities that you honestly can't teach or coach. Would he have been as successful here as he is now in Kansas City? Probably not. But it's the principle of it. We all kept bashing Caldwell for the Bortles selection, and rightfully so. But if Coughlin overruled the possibility of moving back in the draft to secure a franchise QB + gaining additional draft picks he needs to be shown the door. 

It's pretty clear the old man has already over stepped. We got a sense of that during the post-Ramsey trade conference with Marrone out on the podium fielding questions that needed to be directed at Coughlin more than likely. Fournette over McCaffrey and/or Mahomes with a trade down? Bortles' extension? Foles contract and recent blow-up with Marrone? 

He needs to go. . .

I'm pretty sure the Mahomes rumor was totally made up.

(12-06-2019, 04:21 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2019, 02:26 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone catch the most recent Bold Take podcast?

Dilla - a known jags Twitter insider dropped some nuggets on the last episode. Apparently the shouting match between Doug and Coughlin after the game was indeed about benching Foles over Minshew.

To paraphrase:

Tom said to Doug “I told you if Nick is healthy then he plays no matter what.”

And Doug responded by saying “for however long I’m here I’m just trying to win a game”

They then proceeded to drop f bombs to each other.

He also mentioned that Tom was the the one who was all in on drafting Fournette. Dave wanted to either trade back and take CMC or Mahomes.

Link below. Podcast is probably NSFW:

https://twitter.com/boldtakepod/status/1...66752?s=21

I've had too many debates on this MB for this t be all true.  How will the keyboard warriors continue to stay relevant if so?  I'm still open for the 1 million a year GM job offer.  IJS

If Caldwell wanted to do that, i'd let him.  Hell those are the picks i wanted as well.  Only an idiot would debate.  Actually i wanted CMC or Dalvin Cook out of FSU as a gator fan at that.  Get this cancer out of DUVAL immediately.

(12-07-2019, 01:28 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2019, 04:23 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Mahomes is a natural with the football. He has certainly showcased abilities that you honestly can't teach or coach. Would he have been as successful here as he is now in Kansas City? Probably not. But it's the principle of it. We all kept bashing Caldwell for the Bortles selection, and rightfully so. But if Coughlin overruled the possibility of moving back in the draft to secure a franchise QB + gaining additional draft picks he needs to be shown the door. 

It's pretty clear the old man has already over stepped. We got a sense of that during the post-Ramsey trade conference with Marrone out on the podium fielding questions that needed to be directed at Coughlin more than likely. Fournette over McCaffrey and/or Mahomes with a trade down? Bortles' extension? Foles contract and recent blow-up with Marrone? 

He needs to go. . .

I'm pretty sure the Mahomes rumor was totally made up.

Probably. How you been Fred?

(12-06-2019, 02:26 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone catch the most recent Bold Take podcast?

Dilla - a known jags Twitter insider dropped some nuggets on the last episode. Apparently the shouting match between Doug and Coughlin after the game was indeed about benching Foles over Minshew.

To paraphrase:

Tom said to Doug “I told you if Nick is healthy then he plays no matter what.”

And Doug responded by saying “for however long I’m here I’m just trying to win a game”

They then proceeded to drop f bombs to each other.

He also mentioned that Tom was the the one who was all in on drafting Fournette. Dave wanted to either trade back and take CMC or Mahomes.

Link below. Podcast is probably NSFW:

https://twitter.com/boldtakepod/status/1...66752?s=21

I remember feeling frustrated that we didn't trade back in the 2017 draft. I was all for trading down and selecting OT Ryan Ramcyk. He's been a consistent starter for the Saints ever since he was selected. Taking a RB in the top 10, even top 15 is stupid to begin with, but add to that fact that the O-Line was a mess and that made it doubly stupid. If true, Marrone was right to question Tom. If he wanted McCaffrey though, that was equally stupid. McCaffrey would have had the same results Fournette has shown. RB's are only as good as the O-Line. They need running lanes to be successful and we can't open any at a consistent level.

(12-07-2019, 12:22 AM)LMD Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-06-2019, 11:08 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still highly skeptical about the Mahomes part for the simple reason that Caldwell was still tied to Blake at that point and made zero efforts to give him competition. Also all the reports stated Coughlin had to be sold on Blake.

I'm not a Coughlin guy at this point, and am finding myself on the fence about Caldwell with everything that's been coming out... But this whole Caldwell "would have traded back to try to get one of 2 of the best players drafted" reeks of the months of "If Gene Smith had full authority, he wouldn't have made any of the bad picks Shack made and would have drafted HOF players every single year" hype we were fed after Shack was pushed out. I can believe CMC, but like you, I'm a little skeptical of taking Mahomes with Blake still where he was. Though Blake was coming off a not-great season, so maybe Caldwell saw the writing on the wall?

Ultimately though, who really knows what's going on inside that building? I'm not even sure I trust this Dilla guy entirely; hasn't his only real big break been the Ramsey stuff? If so, he might be more "Ramsey's camp" than "Jaguars insider," which would make this whole take of his come off as basically spilled milk, or at least to me.

Nah he's very trustworthy.  I just tend not to believe the Mahomes part based on stuff we've heard over the last few years about Caldwell, Tom and Bortles

Lol, now the people hypnotized by Caldwell are going to start putting fake Mahomes and CMCs on his ledger.

(12-06-2019, 04:14 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be surprised one bit that any if not all of it is true.  This team has screwed up at every turn.  Honestly what would have happened if we had Mahomes?  Do we really think we would make him a star

That would have put us going into 2017 with Bortles and Mahomes on the roster.
Part of why Mahomes was so good in 2018 was that he took 2017 off, to learn and get stronger.
Would the Jaguars have rushed him on to the field?
Would they have hampered him in a run first offense?
Would they have given him good pass blocking?
Our pass blocking was decent in 2017, but not good in 2018.

(12-06-2019, 11:37 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]So what if the problem the entire time has been coughlin and Marrone has had his hands tied? What if he isn’t a bad coach?

Regardless of whether or not the FO is overasserting themselves in personnel or coaching decisions, the HC has to be able to do SOMETHING with the cards they are dealt. Minshew looked great until teams got film on him. The D survived until Ramsey decided he'd had his full (to a point) and Dareus fell apart. The coach should be able to tell his coordinators that their game plans are going to fizzle, and to guide them in ways to get the most out of the roster.

....or maybe he's just sandbagging until he gets Tom fired. Yeah, that's it.

The change in the relationship between Marrone and Coughlin is totally believable to me.

Marrone was raving about Coughlin every other press conference. That was until mid-season last year, towards the Carlos Hyde trade time.
This year Marrone mentioned Coughlin (Coach like he loved calling him) much much less. Apparently the disconnect was already there in the summer when Marrone softened his training camp approach to try and prevent the injury bug after last season and Coughlin was against that.
The biggest sign of frustration was when the Ramsey trade happened and Marrone was left alone the entire time having to answer questions about that and he openly said "I wish someone who's in charge would be here to talk with you guys...I can't give you those answers".
He was clearly frustrated (as he should) that once again the FO put him out there to explain things that are not under his control.
To my memory he never praised or spoke about "Coach" again since the start of the season.

Dilla has been right more often then not lately and the story about the Foles benching sounds believable to me. Players probably felt those things as well as it was often reported that many of them don't like having Coughlin around (there was an interesting interview with Bouye or Campbell at the end of last year where they basically admitted that the way Coughilin dealt and put pressure on players wasn't appreciated and players weren't all reacting well on the field because of that. Coughlin said he would be "living in their shoes" talking about the players and the staff when he was hired...that possibly backfired).

(12-06-2019, 11:37 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]So what if the problem the entire time has been coughlin and Marrone has had his hands tied? What if he isn’t a bad coach?

Uh no ... see 2017 AFC Championship game

Marrone and Wash are still employed after Monday after another blowout and pathetic display of football. Figures. #becausejaguars.

Sack the cunch of bunts already......show some ticker Khan!!!!! Don't think....DOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!