(12-04-2019, 05:01 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2019, 06:57 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Firing Marrone doesn't do anything if Coughlin isn't shown the door as well.
It wont matter who the HC is, if Coughlin is still here this ship is just going to keep going deeper and deeper underwater.
There's no reason to conclude this much. In 2017, Coughlin pulled the team out from being deep underwater and they made it all the way to the AFCC. I don't think he's problem at all, and moreover, I don't see Khan parting with him.
Coughlin didn't do jack [BLEEP].
On the flip side, I am nervous that Khan does have some sort of
connection with Coughlin and he will be the only one that isn't given the boot.
(12-03-2019, 03:36 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2019, 03:12 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/jaguarmaven/status/1...25025?s=21
This further proves the point that the Foles decision was out of Marrones hand. Marrone benches Foles and now all of a sudden someone "leaks" information that Marrone will be fired?
And Garofolo also said Foles is frustrated with the benching. Most likely because he was told something different from the FO.
I don't know that it proves anything. Shad set the bar at the beginning of the year. The expectation was to get to the playoffs. Foles getting hurt or not, the team has not played in other facets (Defense, o-line, etc.) in a way that represents a playoff contender. The tweet wasn't even newsworthy. Ray Charles saw this inevitability. Big news would have been anyone coming forward to announce that Doug is safe as long as the Jags remain in Duval.
(12-03-2019, 09:04 PM)Anaheim Jaguars Wrote: [ -> ]Foles should go the Jalen route and demand to be traded. Make it loud and public. Next thing you know, the Bengals will have Foles as their new QB to replace the red rocket until they can draft their next QB.
He has zero leverage. The current trade market for Nick Foles at his current salary are as follows:
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If he were younger, killed it while he was starting, and relatively affordable, maybe. He checks none of those boxes, unfortunately.
(12-03-2019, 04:10 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2019, 08:17 PM)HolsterHusto Wrote: [ -> ]How would we feel about Ron Rivera if/when Carolina let’s him go?
If we hire a younger, offensive-minded coach who would be greatly helped by having an experienced defensive coordinator running that side of things, sure, in that capacity I'd love to have him on board. As a head coach? Nah. He's Marvin Lewis-tier. A good coach who'll string together some competent teams and be well-liked by his players, but not someone who's going to take an average team farther than it would carry itself on talent alone.
I think you’re right. Rivera seems like a quality person and is definitely a good DC. That what I observe about many coaches. Their true strength is as coordinators.
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(12-04-2019, 05:01 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2019, 06:57 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Firing Marrone doesn't do anything if Coughlin isn't shown the door as well.
It wont matter who the HC is, if Coughlin is still here this ship is just going to keep going deeper and deeper underwater.
There's no reason to conclude this much. In 2017, Coughlin pulled the team out from being deep underwater and they made it all the way to the AFCC. I don't think he's problem at all, and moreover, I don't see Khan parting with him.
I don't know that I'd put 2017 squarely on TC's shoulders. He's pretty old, and that might cause him to fall and break a hip.
(12-04-2019, 05:01 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2019, 06:57 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Firing Marrone doesn't do anything if Coughlin isn't shown the door as well.
It wont matter who the HC is, if Coughlin is still here this ship is just going to keep going deeper and deeper underwater.
There's no reason to conclude this much. In 2017, Coughlin pulled the team out from being deep underwater and they made it all the way to the AFCC. I don't think he's problem at all, and moreover, I don't see Khan parting with him.
Hahahahaha
So Coughlin gets credit for the 2017 run but not for the last 2 seasons, resigning Bortles and then signing Foles?
(12-03-2019, 08:56 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2019, 08:49 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: source.gif]](https://media2.giphy.com/media/gKGfL9dnKXRCg/source.gif)
https://twitter.com/1010XLAG/status/1202020951623454720
But will there be another for Tommy?
I expect so. And then I’ll sit back with my popcorn and watch the heads of the usual suspects explode.
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(12-04-2019, 05:01 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2019, 06:57 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Firing Marrone doesn't do anything if Coughlin isn't shown the door as well.
It wont matter who the HC is, if Coughlin is still here this ship is just going to keep going deeper and deeper underwater.
There's no reason to conclude this much. In 2017, Coughlin pulled the team out from being deep underwater and they made it all the way to the AFCC. I don't think he's problem at all, and moreover, I don't see Khan parting with him.
+1
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(12-04-2019, 10:16 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2019, 05:01 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]There's no reason to conclude this much. In 2017, Coughlin pulled the team out from being deep underwater and they made it all the way to the AFCC. I don't think he's problem at all, and moreover, I don't see Khan parting with him.
Hahahahaha
So Coughlin gets credit for the 2017 run but not for the last 2 seasons, resigning Bortles and then signing Foles?
He may have inside information on a conspiracy. Headlines will read...Dave Caldwell offers contracts to BB and NIck Foles, also drafts rookies without notifying EVOP Coughlin. Rumor says coughlin is furious with this new leaked information. He blames the Jaguars failures solely on DC.
(12-04-2019, 10:17 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2019, 08:56 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]But will there be another for Tommy?
I expect so. And then I’ll sit back with my popcorn and watch the heads of the usual suspects explode.
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(12-04-2019, 05:01 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]There's no reason to conclude this much. In 2017, Coughlin pulled the team out from being deep underwater and they made it all the way to the AFCC. I don't think he's problem at all, and moreover, I don't see Khan parting with him.
+1
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What's the reason for keeping Coughlin when no one has any clue what he actually does?
(12-04-2019, 10:32 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2019, 10:17 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]I expect so. And then I’ll sit back with my popcorn and watch the heads of the usual suspects explode.
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What's the reason for keeping Coughlin when no one has any clue what he actually does?
No one? Or just the people who sit around guessing on a message board?
(12-04-2019, 10:45 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2019, 10:32 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]What's the reason for keeping Coughlin when no one has any clue what he actually does?
No one? Or just the people who sit around guessing on a message board?
I don't believe anyone (including Khan) knows what his responsibilities are. He's part GM, part VP, and part HC I guess.
I also don't see how Coughlin is excluded from the dumpster fire that has been the last 2 years. Keeping him now is as bad as keeping Wash/Marrone 3 years ago.
Isnt Coughlin's job to run the football side of the house? Lamping runs the business and Coughlin runs the football. Shad seems like a smart enough man to know what he is an expert at and what he isnt. And if he isn't, he goes out and hires people who presumably are. That's typically what good leaders / business men / executives do.
Coughlin is just as responsible for our current situation as anyone. Won't be surprised in the slightest to see Khan let him go.
(12-04-2019, 10:48 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2019, 10:45 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]No one? Or just the people who sit around guessing on a message board?
I don't believe anyone (including Khan) knows what his responsibilities are. He's part GM, part VP, and part HC I guess.
I also don't see how Coughlin is excluded from the dumpster fire that has been the last 2 years. Keeping him now is as bad as keeping Wash/Marrone 3 years ago.
Nah.
His responsibilities are not some mystery. They were laid out at multiple pressers and are similar to several other "football czar" types around the league. It's not unusual at all.
What is unusual is that he seems to be meddling and micromanaging beyond the scope of his responsibilities.
Regardless - I would not keep him around. He seems to be too embroiled in any number of disputes that may be adversely affecting the typical chain of command and ultimately the product on the field.
Marrone was ultimately his call to promote or replace and now it would seem the two are at odds to some degree.
I'm over the Coughlin thing, personally. Someone would have to convince me he's not part of the problem and I'm inclined to believe he is.
Coughlin should simply play the advisor role. Khan should strip him of any authority he has and reduce it to nothing more than giving Khan his opinions on what should or shouldn’t happen.
Coughlin's problem is that he is still a coach. I'm not sure he's capable of making decisions with long term health of the franchise in mind. He's been in "Win the Super Bowl Now" mode since he got here, and since rookie QB's don't go to Super Bowls...
(12-04-2019, 07:06 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2019, 06:01 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]I see no logical connection. If Coughlin wanted Foles to still be in there, he could just fire Marrone now and name Foles the starter going forward.
If anything, it shows Marrone is paying for his decision to bench Minshew and losing a shot at the playoffs.
Coughlin couldn't fire Marrone now without Shad signing off on it , especially when Coughlin is likely to be let go too.
So you are implying Khan won't fire a coach during the season? Laughable.
It's more likely Coughlin is advising Khan to wait instead of promoting a lame duck intern.
(12-04-2019, 11:25 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2019, 10:48 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I don't believe anyone (including Khan) knows what his responsibilities are. He's part GM, part VP, and part HC I guess.
I also don't see how Coughlin is excluded from the dumpster fire that has been the last 2 years. Keeping him now is as bad as keeping Wash/Marrone 3 years ago.
Nah.
His responsibilities are not some mystery. They were laid out at multiple pressers and are similar to several other "football czar" types around the league. It's not unusual at all.
What is unusual is that he seems to be meddling and micromanaging beyond the scope of his responsibilities.
Regardless - I would not keep him around. He seems to be too embroiled in any number of disputes that may be adversely affecting the typical chain of command and ultimately the product on the field.
Marrone was ultimately his call to promote or replace and now it would seem the two are at odds to some degree.
I'm over the Coughlin thing, personally. Someone would have to convince me he's not part of the problem and I'm inclined to believe he is.
Sure Coughlin has responsibilities, my manager has responsibility over me, t doesn't mean I get micro managed. The truth is no one knows how much leeway he gives HC or GM.
I make my own decisions and then get held accountable by my manager for those decisions.
(12-04-2019, 12:52 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Coughlin should simply play the advisor role. Khan should strip him of any authority he has and reduce it to nothing more than giving Khan his opinions on what should or shouldn’t happen.
I think that would be ideal.
(12-04-2019, 12:52 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Coughlin should simply play the advisor role. Khan should strip him of any authority he has and reduce it to nothing more than giving Khan his opinions on what should or shouldn’t happen.
I wouldn’t hate that. TC is too good and has been to important to this franchise to simply “retire” him. OTH, some have made the valid point that you won’t get the best candidate to come here if they have a boss over them. This seems a good solution.
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(12-04-2019, 03:18 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2019, 11:25 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Nah.
His responsibilities are not some mystery. They were laid out at multiple pressers and are similar to several other "football czar" types around the league. It's not unusual at all.
What is unusual is that he seems to be meddling and micromanaging beyond the scope of his responsibilities.
Regardless - I would not keep him around. He seems to be too embroiled in any number of disputes that may be adversely affecting the typical chain of command and ultimately the product on the field.
Marrone was ultimately his call to promote or replace and now it would seem the two are at odds to some degree.
I'm over the Coughlin thing, personally. Someone would have to convince me he's not part of the problem and I'm inclined to believe he is.
Sure Coughlin has responsibilities, my manager has responsibility over me, t doesn't mean I get micro managed. The truth is no one knows how much leeway he gives HC or GM.
I make my own decisions and then get held accountable by my manager for those decisions.
Yeah. I worded it the way I did because we don't actually know for sure to what degree he is or is not "meddling" with others' responsibilities.
There sure is a hell of a lot of smoke if there's no fire there though. Add in his history of trying to wear every hat in the building, and that smoke gets even thicker.