What also doesn't make sense is that if this was Coughlin's call, why wouldn't Marrone just come out and say it was Coughlin's decision?
He would have already been insubordinate. What reason would he have to not throw Coughlin under the bus for it? He already knows he's a dead man walking.
(12-05-2019, 01:20 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]What also doesn't make sense is that if this was Coughlin's call, why wouldn't Marrone just come out and say it was Coughlin's decision?
He would have already been insubordinate. What reason would he have to not throw Coughlin under the bus for it? He already knows he's a dead man walking.
Makes him less employable + i'm sure he just wants to focus on football for his last few weeks
(12-05-2019, 02:46 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 01:20 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]What also doesn't make sense is that if this was Coughlin's call, why wouldn't Marrone just come out and say it was Coughlin's decision?
He would have already been insubordinate. What reason would he have to not throw Coughlin under the bus for it? He already knows he's a dead man walking.
Makes him less employable + i'm sure he just wants to focus on football for his last few weeks
How would that make him less employable? It would exonerate him from the bad decision.
Saying Coughlin made the call wouldn't interfere with his ability to focus. It would most likely relieve the pressure he is facing from the the public and the media.
(12-05-2019, 03:25 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 02:46 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Makes him less employable + i'm sure he just wants to focus on football for his last few weeks
How would that make him less employable? It would exonerate him from the bad decision.
Saying Coughlin made the call wouldn't interfere with his ability to focus. It would most likely relieve the pressure he is facing from the the public and the media.
So throwing your boss under the bus to the public is a thing future employers look for?
(12-05-2019, 01:20 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]What also doesn't make sense is that if this was Coughlin's call, why wouldn't Marrone just come out and say it was Coughlin's decision?
He would have already been insubordinate. What reason would he have to not throw Coughlin under the bus for it? He already knows he's a dead man walking.
Marrone is a professional that has been more than willing to fall on the sword instead of throwing people under the bus, especially his current boss.
C'mon man
(12-05-2019, 03:25 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 02:46 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Makes him less employable + i'm sure he just wants to focus on football for his last few weeks
How would that make him less employable? It would exonerate him from the bad decision.
Saying Coughlin made the call wouldn't interfere with his ability to focus. It would most likely relieve the pressure he is facing from the the public and the media.
GMs doing coach hirings... so throwing your GM under the bus makes him less hirable.
Common sense my dude. Buy some lol
(12-05-2019, 10:39 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Why would a coach staff give a 6th round rookie extra reps at practice for the last few weeks, instead of using extra reps for the starter?
Perhaps... they knew Foles wasn't the answer. Perhaps they never wanted to make the switch and knew at some point, they'd have to switch back?
More evidence that the front office is meddling.
TC has GOT to go!
It couldn't possibly be because the coaching staff saw the potential that Minshew has and wanted to continue his development.
Nah... the front office is
clearly meddling (sarcasm).
(12-05-2019, 04:26 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 10:39 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Why would a coach staff give a 6th round rookie extra reps at practice for the last few weeks, instead of using extra reps for the starter?
Perhaps... they knew Foles wasn't the answer. Perhaps they never wanted to make the switch and knew at some point, they'd have to switch back?
More evidence that the front office is meddling.
TC has GOT to go!
It couldn't possibly be because the coaching staff saw the potential that Minshew has and wanted to continue his development.
Nah... the front office is clearly meddling (sarcasm).
Bwahahaha
So Marrone switches to Foles "because he gives them the best chance to win" and then 3 weeks later switches back to Minshew "So they can continue to develop him."?
I know you love to look at things as very black or white but there is a ton of grey in this world. If they wanted to continue his development, then they should have never started Foles in the first place.
(12-05-2019, 04:26 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 10:39 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Why would a coach staff give a 6th round rookie extra reps at practice for the last few weeks, instead of using extra reps for the starter?
Perhaps... they knew Foles wasn't the answer. Perhaps they never wanted to make the switch and knew at some point, they'd have to switch back?
More evidence that the front office is meddling.
TC has GOT to go!
It couldn't possibly be because the coaching staff saw the potential that Minshew has and wanted to continue his development.
Nah... the front office is clearly meddling (sarcasm).
You don't use in-season practice time to develop rookies. Especially if your job is essentially on the line to win and win now.
But OK.
(12-05-2019, 04:46 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 04:26 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]It couldn't possibly be because the coaching staff saw the potential that Minshew has and wanted to continue his development.
Nah... the front office is clearly meddling (sarcasm).
Bwahahaha
So Marrone switches to Foles "because he gives them the best chance to win" and then 3 weeks later switches back to Minshew "So they can continue to develop him."?
I know you love to look at things as very black or white but there is a ton of grey in this world. If they wanted to continue his development, then they should have never started Foles in the first place.
Some people just don't like to be wrong.
Or he loves him some Coughlin...
Or both.
Coughlin sucks. And he made our team worse more than better since he got here.
2017 was clearly an anomaly based on a defense playing above its head against a weak schedule in a division with all sorts of injuries and issues to its teams (and their QBs)
Bortles extension, Fournette top 5, Taven Bryan.
Ramsey, Yan, Telvin.
FOLES.
Dude is a parasite.
But yeah... he obviously is just letting Marrone do his thing and wouldn't force him to play the guy he over paid to come here at all
(I guess I have to tell you it's sarcasm, since... that's a thing?)
(12-05-2019, 03:28 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 03:25 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]How would that make him less employable? It would exonerate him from the bad decision.
Saying Coughlin made the call wouldn't interfere with his ability to focus. It would most likely relieve the pressure he is facing from the the public and the media.
So throwing your boss under the bus to the public is a thing future employers look for?
Makes you more employable than looking like you don't know how to manage your line up to other GMs.
Besides, how many GMs in the league make game day decisions on who starts?
(12-05-2019, 04:14 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 01:20 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]What also doesn't make sense is that if this was Coughlin's call, why wouldn't Marrone just come out and say it was Coughlin's decision?
He would have already been insubordinate. What reason would he have to not throw Coughlin under the bus for it? He already knows he's a dead man walking.
Marrone is a professional that has been more than willing to fall on the sword instead of throwing people under the bus, especially his current boss.
C'mon man
(12-05-2019, 03:25 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]How would that make him less employable? It would exonerate him from the bad decision.
Saying Coughlin made the call wouldn't interfere with his ability to focus. It would most likely relieve the pressure he is facing from the the public and the media.
GMs doing coach hirings... so throwing your GM under the bus makes him less hirable.
Common sense my dude. Buy some lol
When you are getting fired for it you do. How can you maintain your coaching credibility?
Plus GMs don't tell coaches who to play. It is only in your unfounded conjecture that Coughlin did.
FYI, Marrone will not be up for any head coaching positions anytime soon.
Besides, if Coughlin was so intent on Foles starting, they wouldn't have named Minshew the starter for the remainder of the year. That's common sense.
I'm sure Marrone was like "No problem Tom. I'll take the hit for starting Foles for you. it will only set back my career and cost me millions of dollars."
Common sense obviously isn't very common with you guys.
I guarantee if any of you had a boss that forced you to do something that you knew wouldn't work and when it fails he lets you take the blame for the decision and fires you, you wouldn't be falling on the sword for that boss.
Again, common sense.
(12-05-2019, 07:05 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]I guarantee if any of you had a boss that forced you to do something that you knew wouldn't work and when it fails he lets you take the blame for the decision and fires you, you wouldn't be falling on the sword for that boss.
Again, common sense.
Another person trying to equate a 9-5 job with the NFL.
Doesn’t work brother.
(12-05-2019, 07:58 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 07:05 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]I guarantee if any of you had a boss that forced you to do something that you knew wouldn't work and when it fails he lets you take the blame for the decision and fires you, you wouldn't be falling on the sword for that boss.
Again, common sense.
Another person trying to equate a 9-5 job with the NFL.
Doesn’t work brother.
Income is income.
If someone blames you for their mistake and cuts off your income and greatly diminishes your future potential income, you are not going to fall on the sword for that person unless you seriously love that person.
Let's be freaking realistic here.
Marrone basically called out Coughlin during that whole Ramsey crap.
When Coughlin threw him out there to answer questions about what happened/the trade and Marrone basically said... "I don't know, I don't have those answers.. I wish somebody in the building would come out here and answer them for you..."
Coughlin threw Marrone under the bus right then because he didn't have the stones to address the mess he made.
A lot of Jags fans already knew Coughlin was a problem before that, but him throwing Marrone out there to answer for that mess showed the entire country that Coughlin is a big problem. The only people who can't see this, are because they simply refuse to see it.
Then add onto the fact that the day after Minshew is announced as the starter again, it's leaked that Marrone likely wont return next season.. I wonder where that leak came from... hmmm.
We all knew he was done at the end of the year, but it's simply not just a coincidence that the day after the QB change, it comes out for the first time in the media.
Then only a day later you get the quote from Coughlin saying Foles will get another summer and another season blah blah.
(12-05-2019, 08:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone basically called out Coughlin during that whole Ramsey crap.
When Coughlin threw him out there to answer questions about what happened/the trade and Marrone basically said... "I don't know, I don't have those answers.. I wish somebody in the building would come out here and answer them for you..."
Coughlin threw Marrone under the bus right then because he didn't have the stones to address the mess he made.
A lot of Jags fans already knew Coughlin was a problem before that, but him throwing Marrone out there to answer for that mess showed the entire country that Coughlin is a big problem. The only people who can't see this, are because they simply refuse to see it.
Then add onto the fact that the day after Minshew is announced as the starter again, it's leaked that Marrone likely wont return next season.. I wonder where that leak came from... hmmm.
We all knew he was done at the end of the year, but it's simply not just a coincidence that the day after the QB change, it comes out for the first time in the media.
Then only a day later you get the quote from Coughlin saying Foles will get another summer and another season blah blah.
Of course Foles will be back next season. His contract dictates that.
I would love for you to explain that if Coughlin was so determined to have Foles play, why on Earth would they name Minshew the starter for the rest of the season, because that sounds exactly like what a decision from above would sound like.
This is what's going to happen for the rest of the year. No ifs, ands, or buts.
(12-05-2019, 04:46 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 04:26 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]It couldn't possibly be because the coaching staff saw the potential that Minshew has and wanted to continue his development.
Nah... the front office is clearly meddling (sarcasm).
Bwahahaha
So Marrone switches to Foles "because he gives them the best chance to win" and then 3 weeks later switches back to Minshew "So they can continue to develop him."?
I know you love to look at things as very black or white but there is a ton of grey in this world. If they wanted to continue his development, then they should have never started Foles in the first place.
You start the guy who (you think) gives you the best chance of winning while you're still in contention for a playoff spot. After you've been realistically eliminated from the postseason, you start the guy you want to develop. We're done for this year, the focus is now on determining if Minshew is the long-term answer. So yes, Marrone may very well believe that Foles is better today, but Minshew has greater potential.
(12-05-2019, 09:10 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 08:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone basically called out Coughlin during that whole Ramsey crap.
When Coughlin threw him out there to answer questions about what happened/the trade and Marrone basically said... "I don't know, I don't have those answers.. I wish somebody in the building would come out here and answer them for you..."
Coughlin threw Marrone under the bus right then because he didn't have the stones to address the mess he made.
A lot of Jags fans already knew Coughlin was a problem before that, but him throwing Marrone out there to answer for that mess showed the entire country that Coughlin is a big problem. The only people who can't see this, are because they simply refuse to see it.
Then add onto the fact that the day after Minshew is announced as the starter again, it's leaked that Marrone likely wont return next season.. I wonder where that leak came from... hmmm.
We all knew he was done at the end of the year, but it's simply not just a coincidence that the day after the QB change, it comes out for the first time in the media.
Then only a day later you get the quote from Coughlin saying Foles will get another summer and another season blah blah.
Of course Foles will be back next season. His contract dictates that.
I would love for you to explain that if Coughlin was so determined to have Foles play, why on Earth would they name Minshew the starter for the rest of the season, because that sounds exactly like what a decision from above would sound like.
This is what's going to happen for the rest of the year. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Coughlin is stubborn and hard headed.. He isn't going to admit to his mistakes, which is why they never get fixed. Paying Foles was a mistake and him benching Foles would be him admitting to that mistake. Zero chance of that happening. I have no doubts he wants him in there playing right now. But since he's not "officially the HC" it would look really bad if he came out and publicly undermined the HC by announcing the QB decision.
Marrone has eyes, just like we all do. We still may not win with Minshew at QB, but he sure as hell gives us a better chance than Foles. It's easy to see. Marrone is on his way out regardless, win or lose, I'm sure he knows that. He doesn't have anything to lose by doing his actual job and playing the better player, regardless of what some other people may want. He is the actual HC after all.
Back up QBs NEVER get reps like they were giving Minshew in practice. That rarely ever happens. Marrone wanted to keep him working for some reason and it wasn't just for developmental purposes.
Teams have been trying to develop young QBs for years and years and teams rarely ever give a back up QB meaningful reps. Especially when your so called starter has been playing as awful as he was and could have used every rep he could get.
He very well could have not wanted to bench Minshew in the first place. I mean, he did say he was going to take the bye week to look it over and think about it, then all of a sudden the next day Foles is announced the starter. Something just doesn't seem right about that one. Wants to take some time to look it over, but over night decides a guy coming off IR for the past 2 1/2 months actually gives you the best chance to win? Sure.
(12-05-2019, 09:55 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 09:10 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Of course Foles will be back next season. His contract dictates that.
I would love for you to explain that if Coughlin was so determined to have Foles play, why on Earth would they name Minshew the starter for the rest of the season, because that sounds exactly like what a decision from above would sound like.
This is what's going to happen for the rest of the year. No ifs, ands, or buts.
Coughlin is stubborn and hard headed.. He isn't going to admit to his mistakes, which is why they never get fixed. Paying Foles was a mistake and him benching Foles would be him admitting to that mistake. Zero chance of that happening. I have no doubts he wants him in there playing right now. But since he's not "officially the HC" it would look really bad if he came out and publicly undermined the HC by announcing the QB decision.
Marrone has eyes, just like we all do. We still may not win with Minshew at QB, but he sure as hell gives us a better chance than Foles. It's easy to see. Marrone is on his way out regardless, win or lose, I'm sure he knows that. He doesn't have anything to lose by doing his actual job and playing the better player, regardless of what some other people may want. He is the actual HC after all.
Back up QBs NEVER get reps like they were giving Minshew in practice. That rarely ever happens. Marrone wanted to keep him working for some reason and it wasn't just for developmental purposes.
Teams have been trying to develop young QBs for years and years and teams rarely ever give a back up QB meaningful reps. Especially when your so called starter has been playing as awful as he was and could have used every rep he could get.
He very well could have not wanted to bench Minshew in the first place. I mean, he did say he was going to take the bye week to look it over and think about it, then all of a sudden the next day Foles is announced the starter. Something just doesn't seem right about that one. Wants to take some time to look it over, but over night decides a guy coming off IR for the past 2 1/2 months actually gives you the best chance to win? Sure.
Why on earth would he have to publicly announce the starting QB? According to you, he does these things behind the scenes.
How do we know Foles wasn't looking sharp in practice? He looked really good the few plays he had in game one. It's not outlandish to think that a coach, during an important stretch, would want a guy who has one heck of a late season resume to take over for a rookie who has never played in that situation. Even good rookies are known for making mistakes in clutch situations and nothing was more clutch than the three game stretch where Foles started. You may wonder why he would stick with him as long as he did. Why does it always seem to take Marrone to fix problems in things like his game plans. How many times have you asked yourself "why do we keep doing this?" only for Marrone to come out in the post game and have to answer questions with things like "Yeah, we should have been doing this."
Minshew only got extra reps before last game. What coach wouldn't prepare their back up after watching those first two games even if the starter was you first choice?
When has Coughlin ever suddenly announced a starter early? That's not his style. If Coughlin was orchestrating this, the QB status would be announced as a game time decision as much as the league would let him. He, if you remember, was a guy often accused of not being honest with a player's injury status so that other teams wouldn't know who was starting until the last minute.
(12-05-2019, 03:25 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2019, 02:46 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Makes him less employable + i'm sure he just wants to focus on football for his last few weeks
How would that make him less employable? It would exonerate him from the bad decision.
Saying Coughlin made the call wouldn't interfere with his ability to focus. It would most likely relieve the pressure he is facing from the the public and the media.
Publicly complaining about your boss is a great way to make sure no future bosses want to hire you.