I tell him to go find a trade partner before the deadline. Then when he doesn't, transition tag him. No one is giving up 2 1st for him and he finds out his value is low. He can quit football or play for the Jags.
(03-02-2020, 09:38 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2020, 09:36 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We will most likely get a 2nd round pick for Yan at the very least. We could move up into the high teens with that pick to get one of the tackles if they wanted too. Will they? Not sure
Having the resources to do something doesn't mean jack. We have plenty of resources to pay Ngakoue yet that doesn't look as it's going to happen does it?
He said he doesn't want to be here, he probably wants to go to a bigger market. In the draft the players wont have that option.
(03-02-2020, 09:41 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2020, 09:38 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Having the resources to do something doesn't mean jack. We have plenty of resources to pay Ngakoue yet that doesn't look as it's going to happen does it?
He said he doesn't want to be here, he probably wants to go to a bigger market. In the draft the players wont have that option.
And like I said, having the resources doesn't mean jack. Its far more likely we take the 1st, or 2nd best OT off the board at #9, than it is trading back up into the teens for the 3rd or 4th best OT. It also makes far better sense value wise to just take one at 9.
(03-02-2020, 09:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2020, 09:41 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He said he doesn't want to be here, he probably wants to go to a bigger market. In the draft the players wont have that option.
And like I said, having the resources doesn't mean jack. Its far more likely we take the 1st, or 2nd best OT off the board at #9, than it is trading back up into the teens for the 3rd or 4th best OT. It also makes far better sense value wise to just take one at 9.
Not if they have them rated pretty equal like a lot does. It makes much more sense to get a Derrick Brown or Kinlaw at 9 and then move up to get one of the tackles. Just because a team tackes one of the tackles before us doesn't mean hes the best. We might even have our tackles rated differently than some of the other teams.
(03-02-2020, 09:49 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2020, 09:45 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]And like I said, having the resources doesn't mean jack. Its far more likely we take the 1st, or 2nd best OT off the board at #9, than it is trading back up into the teens for the 3rd or 4th best OT. It also makes far better sense value wise to just take one at 9.
Not if they have them rated pretty equal like a lot does. It makes much more sense to get a Derrick Brown or Kinlaw at 9 and then move up to get one of the tackles. Just because a team tackes one of the tackles before us doesn't mean hes the best. We might even have our tackles rated differently than some of the other teams.
That's if Brown is even still on the board at 9...
Of course teams will have different rankings on players lol.
And honestly, this is the year to trade down in the draft, not up. This draft is loaded with talent and we need help everywhere. Trade down and get more picks. There's going to be really good players still on the board in the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds.
(03-02-2020, 10:20 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/JuicedJag/status/123...66656?s=20
I would love to hear the warts-and-all true account of exactly what has gone down these last 3 years to get us to this spot.
I said it from the very start and it's only proved true and true. Bringing back Coughlin would be the worst possible mistake this franchise could make... Fast forward a few years... It was absolutely that.. The worst possible mistake they could have made. He set this franchise back another 10 years, just like he did the first time.
From that 2017 Defense, we're only going to have 1-3 (Jack, Campbell, Bouye) starters here in 2020. Basically a complete rebuild of a Defense that was one of the best ever (statistically) in NFL history.
So forget yannick. He is stupid and i really mean that. So who do we now draft to replace him. Or will we take a shot in free agency.
(03-02-2020, 11:03 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]So forget yannick. He is stupid and i really mean that. So who do we now draft to replace him. Or will we take a shot in free agency.
LOL!!! He's actually the smartest one in the room for wanting to leave this dumpster fire, garbage [BLEEP], laughingstock of a franchise.
(03-02-2020, 11:06 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2020, 11:03 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]So forget yannick. He is stupid and i really mean that. So who do we now draft to replace him. Or will we take a shot in free agency.
LOL!!! He's actually the smartest one in the room for wanting to leave this dumpster fire, garbage [BLEEP], laughingstock of a franchise.
Easy, mayne. You're going to blow a gasket.
When the season starts and Mr. Minshew leads us to victory, everything gonna be alright.
(03-02-2020, 10:20 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/JuicedJag/status/123...66656?s=20
I would love to hear the warts-and-all true account of exactly what has gone down these last 3 years to get us to this spot.
We're the Jaguars. We only get 15 for 15.
(03-02-2020, 11:06 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2020, 11:03 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]So forget yannick. He is stupid and i really mean that. So who do we now draft to replace him. Or will we take a shot in free agency.
LOL!!! He's actually the smartest one in the room for wanting to leave this dumpster fire, garbage [BLEEP], laughingstock of a franchise.
LoL!!!!! He definitely doesnt understand the time value of money. He proved that last year. He will probably never make up that 19 mil he passed on. Hell he could have bought tesla stock with only a third of it. Tsla. Would have been like signing a 30 mil deal. He is N idiot.
(03-02-2020, 11:10 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2020, 11:06 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]LOL!!! He's actually the smartest one in the room for wanting to leave this dumpster fire, garbage [BLEEP], laughingstock of a franchise.
Easy, mayne. You're going to blow a gasket.
When the season starts and Mr. Minshew leads us to victory, everything gonna be alright.
Minshew is gonna have to score 45+ points per game, otherwise we have no chance my man.
This team is god awful and likely wont get much better in just one off season.
We're basically at the point that we have to have every single draft pick be a hit and be majorly productive in this coming season. GL
(03-02-2020, 04:34 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]That's why they hired Trent Baalke to be the Director of Player Personnel. So they can move on from Dave Caldwell and Doug Marrone at the end of the year. Then he can hire a new head coach, clash with him and then replace him with a coordinator last minute like he did Harbaugh / Tomsula with the 49ERS.
Khan's nearly completed his destruction of this team in Jacksonville. He's a mad genius. It'll be at least another two or three years before the NFL feels comfortable enough with moving a team to London on a full time basis. Baalke will be the finishing blow to spiral the fanbase out of Jacksonville.
This is revisionist history. Kahn has made some questionable decisions, but most owners have at some point. Bradley and Caldwell were considered good hires initially. Were the Jaguars a great dynasty when he bought the team? No. His biggest "flaw" is to trust stability and believe people can get better over time, which probably makes sense in other businesses, but is atypical in the current sports world.
(03-02-2020, 04:36 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Austen Lane on 690 says that money is not the issue with Yan. What I want to know is with Coughlin gone, who or what, is causing all of this toxicity in the organization?
This is the biggest red flag with this situation. It sounds like Yan didn't even give the Jags a chance even after Coughlin was fired. Maybe he was hoping for Wash/Marrone/Coughlin to also be let go?
(03-02-2020, 06:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2020, 05:34 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Would rather see a player plainly state that then. To clear the air. Because it is kind of funny that he gives our city and fans a major shout out and says he loves us all and then in the same breath echoes that he wants out of here.
It's not about the city. Not directly anyway.
It's not about the fans. (except the fact there will likely be more of them at his next destination)
Playing two games overseas for the foreseeable future is an element for sure. But not THE element.
PRIMARILY, it's about wanting out of a dysfunctional organization that is on the cusp of another staffing re-boot in 2021 wherein there's no telling who he'll play under and in what scheme.
Allen Robinson cited playing under 3 coordinators in his time here as a major factor in his decision to move elsewhere, and the F.O. fluctuation along with the very real possibility of a lame duck staff in 2020 must be affecting Yannick similarly. Why not try to land in a more stable environment with potentially a greater fanbase and poularity to parlay into endorsement money?
What does a "greater" (I'm assuming larger) fanbase really offer Yan? More social media followers?
Yan may be able to get some more endorsement money, but would it really move the needle? Has Allen Robinson really parlayed his new place on the bears into significant money? I'd be surprised if it that much.
I can sort of understand the stability thing, but hasn't Yan played in the same scheme with the same defensive coordinator since he was drafted? The head coach only changed once in that span. All the turnover has really been on offense.
Maybe he thinks that just firing Coughlin will not change the culture of the team, which may be a legitimate worry, but I think it's just as much risk as going to any other team's culture.
(03-02-2020, 06:34 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, can you blame him? This is far and away the worst franchise in sports and it's a complete laughing stock... Nobody wants to play here and it's not going to get any better, any time soon.
This front office is on a 1 year, win now lease basically. You aren't going to find somebody in this year's draft to replace Ngakoue/the production he'd bring this year. All you're doing is giving them one last shot at wasting more draft picks before they walk out the door.
Move the team to London already and put us all out of our misery.
Worst franchise in sports?
I mean we have the Charlotte Hornets, NY Knicks, SD Padres, Miami Marlins, Washington Redskins (Since like '95), Sacramento Kings (Since like Chris Webber), Phoenix Suns since Nash, Florida Panthers. I could go on.
Lots of franchise have completely forgettable stretches that last 10-15 years. Lots have franchises have 0 or 1 title over 30-50 year stretches, and Jags are only 25 years old. That is the nature of sports.
(03-02-2020, 08:40 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]He's not gonna play on the tag either before everyone says "enjoy rotting".
He won't be a Jaguar post the deadline and most likely gone before the draft
Good.
Great talent and hate to lose him. But if you don't want to be here, arrivederci, baby. Let someone else overpay him and wreck their cap.
(03-02-2020, 09:40 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]I tell him to go find a trade partner before the deadline. Then when he doesn't, transition tag him. No one is giving up 2 1st for him and he finds out his value is low. He can quit football or play for the Jags.
I like it.
Upon further review of this situation I have come to the conclusion that Khan has to nip this [BLEEP] in the bud. For Yan it must be tag and no trade. Play here or sit. That's it. He cannot afford to pull a Sweet Jalen and fake injury. He may hold out training camp or something but he will not lose the over million dollar game day checks that the tag will bring him. His very public screw you to the city and our team stated he does not wish a long term deal. It didn't state that he would not play on the tag.
(03-02-2020, 09:22 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]So out of our 3 big young defensive building blocks we're going to lose two of them and then not only kept the one who wound up being actually bad but also giving him one of the worst contract in the NFL.
At least Dave can rest on his sterling W/L record when people point out how disastrous his handling of the few good players he has actually drafted are. Oh wait...
Oh...so now it's all
Dave's fault. I thought it was all
Tom's fault...
You guys have got to send these talking points out in advance so we can all do the same spin...
(03-02-2020, 06:34 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, can you blame him? This is far and away the worst franchise in sports and it's a complete laughing stock... Nobody wants to play here and it's not going to get any better, any time soon.
This front office is on a 1 year, win now lease basically. You aren't going to find somebody in this year's draft to replace Ngakoue/the production he'd bring this year. All you're doing is giving them one last shot at wasting more draft picks before they walk out the door.
Move the team to London already and put us all out of our misery.
Wow. If I hated the team that much, I'd go find another team to root for.
(03-03-2020, 03:38 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2020, 06:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's not about the city. Not directly anyway.
It's not about the fans. (except the fact there will likely be more of them at his next destination)
Playing two games overseas for the foreseeable future is an element for sure. But not THE element.
PRIMARILY, it's about wanting out of a dysfunctional organization that is on the cusp of another staffing re-boot in 2021 wherein there's no telling who he'll play under and in what scheme.
Allen Robinson cited playing under 3 coordinators in his time here as a major factor in his decision to move elsewhere, and the F.O. fluctuation along with the very real possibility of a lame duck staff in 2020 must be affecting Yannick similarly. Why not try to land in a more stable environment with potentially a greater fanbase and poularity to parlay into endorsement money?
What does a "greater" (I'm assuming larger) fanbase really offer Yan? More social media followers?
Yan may be able to get some more endorsement money, but would it really move the needle? Has Allen Robinson really parlayed his new place on the bears into significant money? I'd be surprised if it that much.
I can sort of understand the stability thing, but hasn't Yan played in the same scheme with the same defensive coordinator since he was drafted? The head coach only changed once in that span. All the turnover has really been on offense.
Maybe he thinks that just firing Coughlin will not change the culture of the team, which may be a legitimate worry, but I think it's just as much risk as going to any other team's culture.
It doesn't grant him anything immediately, but if he has another big season of sacks, pressures, and forced fumbles and his team goes on to the postseason - the publicity he will gain will translate into endorsements FAR easier and more abundantly than it would playing in Jacksonville.
The stability thing is about 2021. Do you have any confidence the Jags will have the same coaching staff next year? Do you even want that?
I'm not trying to advocate Yannick's side of this thing as righteous. I'm merely trying to identify what I imagine to be his reasoning. I've hoped all along the two sides would iron out a deal and Yan is one of my favorite players. I'm dismayed at his imminent departure. But players have historically opted for larger markets when afforded the opportunity for good reason, and I'm sure those reasons factor into Yan's decision making process as well.
(03-03-2020, 08:06 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Upon further review of this situation I have come to the conclusion that Khan has to nip this [BLEEP] in the bud. For Yan it must be tag and no trade. Play here or sit. That's it. He cannot afford to pull a Sweet Jalen and fake injury. He may hold out training camp or something but he will not lose the over million dollar game day checks that the tag will bring him. His very public screw you to the city and our team stated he does not wish a long term deal. It didn't state that he would not play on the tag.
I am kind of feeling the opposite. Yan thinks he’s worth more than he is, and I am betting he will end up on a smaller deal like Bell did if he plays hardball. Either way, if a team gives me a high 2nd for him or a future first, I am absolutely jumping on it. We don’t need to send a message, just need to keep the guys who actually want to be here. Which despite what many people have posted on the board is not Yan. Let someone else pay for him. Now Allen on the other hand, is looking like a future all-pro. You pay that guy top of the league money.
(03-03-2020, 09:13 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-03-2020, 03:38 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]What does a "greater" (I'm assuming larger) fanbase really offer Yan? More social media followers?
Yan may be able to get some more endorsement money, but would it really move the needle? Has Allen Robinson really parlayed his new place on the bears into significant money? I'd be surprised if it that much.
I can sort of understand the stability thing, but hasn't Yan played in the same scheme with the same defensive coordinator since he was drafted? The head coach only changed once in that span. All the turnover has really been on offense.
Maybe he thinks that just firing Coughlin will not change the culture of the team, which may be a legitimate worry, but I think it's just as much risk as going to any other team's culture.
It doesn't grant him anything immediately, but if he has another big season of sacks, pressures, and forced fumbles and his team goes on to the postseason - the publicity he will gain will translate into endorsements FAR easier and more abundantly than it would playing in Jacksonville.
The stability thing is about 2021. Do you have any confidence the Jags will have the same coaching staff next year? Do you even want that?
I'm not trying to advocate Yannick's side of this thing as righteous. I'm merely trying to identify what I imagine to be his reasoning. I've hoped all along the two sides would iron out a deal and Yan is one of my favorite players. I'm dismayed at his imminent departure. But players have historically opted for larger markets when afforded the opportunity for good reason, and I'm sure those reasons factor into Yan's decision making process as well.
I saw a discussion by Brunell and Pepper on the news yesterday and they did not buy that argument. And I kind of tend to agree. He might get some local endorsements, but unless you are JJ Watt or Michael Strahan, how many big money national endorsements are there going to be? Generally a DE is not going to be the face of the franchise for any major endorsement deals unless he is a perennial All-Pro. And I just don't see that happening. If he thinks this, I think it is just
another example of him overvaluing himself.