(10-24-2023, 03:24 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2023, 03:14 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Is this what you were looking for?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rQn_SJPv9U
No. I have seen more on the ground damage than that. Including children with their heads blown off completely, a Dad carrying his infant child in pieces in a bag, a little boy saying goodbye to his brother and asking for a strand of his hair to remember him by, Christian churches leveled, etc.
I have seen enough. Babies, not toddlers, babies, that cannot even speak nor walk yet, completely maimed or riddled with wounds or shaking like a combat veteran from the sheer amount of bombs and explosions going off in Gaza.
It's pretty sadistic at this point. I know it's a long history of this happening on both sides. Everybody knows that any major religion at one point had it's day as top dog on the globe and went about it's business going after non conformists, etc.
History is brutal. Mankind is brutal. The truth is usually brutal. I just can't take it anymore. Call me gutless or spineless. I don't really care. It's inhumane the way we're treating each other and how we're being asked to take sides in all of this. It's disgusting. Shameful and disgusting.
I don't watch any of that stuff. It breaks me. The reality is this is going on all over the world. We are fortunate to have largely evaded that type of brutality in this country. On the flip side, we are totally insulated from the role or government plays on these overseas affairs.
Imo, this battle needed to be fought a long time ago. You can not stop the fighting if you don't bring the enemy to heel, and that looks absolutely barbaric.
However, you have to ask the tough questions of why our government seems to perpetually enable war around the world. It's impossible to route the enemy so long as people make money from it. If they are not strictly regulated, it doesn't take long before they become the enemy. That's where we are now, but our moderates don't have the balls to hold them accountable.
(10-24-2023, 04:23 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I don't watch any of that stuff. It breaks me. The reality is this is going on all over the world. We are fortunate to have largely evaded that type of brutality in this country. On the flip side, we are totally insulated from the role or government plays on these overseas affairs.
Imo, this battle needed to be fought a long time ago. You can not stop the fighting if you don't bring the enemy to heel, and that looks absolutely barbaric.
However, you have to ask the tough questions of why our government seems to perpetually enable war around the world. It's impossible to route the enemy so long as people make money from it. If they are not strictly regulated, it doesn't take long before they become the enemy. That's where we are now, but our moderates don't have the balls to hold them accountable.
Look into the founding of Hamas and the other terrorists. It's all a big shell game where the countries that are fighting them, fund a different group, and then they end up fighting that group. The only way to win is going to be to flatten it and then flood it because of all the tunnels. Then you can find the entrances, if needed, where the water drains and destroy anything underground that needs destroying.
In Gaza, everyone supports the terrorists because if you don't, you don't get support or aid. They control the government, they control the aid from other countries, and they can make your terrible life worse than it already is.
Unfortunately there is little that can be done to save innocent people as hardly any of them are innocent. Basically everyone is guilty of supporting the terrorist government. No country wants them as you can't vet them and they won't assimilate.
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(10-24-2023, 04:23 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2023, 03:24 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]No. I have seen more on the ground damage than that. Including children with their heads blown off completely, a Dad carrying his infant child in pieces in a bag, a little boy saying goodbye to his brother and asking for a strand of his hair to remember him by, Christian churches leveled, etc.
I have seen enough. Babies, not toddlers, babies, that cannot even speak nor walk yet, completely maimed or riddled with wounds or shaking like a combat veteran from the sheer amount of bombs and explosions going off in Gaza.
It's pretty sadistic at this point. I know it's a long history of this happening on both sides. Everybody knows that any major religion at one point had it's day as top dog on the globe and went about it's business going after non conformists, etc.
History is brutal. Mankind is brutal. The truth is usually brutal. I just can't take it anymore. Call me gutless or spineless. I don't really care. It's inhumane the way we're treating each other and how we're being asked to take sides in all of this. It's disgusting. Shameful and disgusting.
I don't watch any of that stuff. It breaks me. The reality is this is going on all over the world. We are fortunate to have largely evaded that type of brutality in this country. On the flip side, we are totally insulated from the role or government plays on these overseas affairs.
Imo, this battle needed to be fought a long time ago. You can not stop the fighting if you don't bring the enemy to heel, and that looks absolutely barbaric.
However, you have to ask the tough questions of why our government seems to perpetually enable war around the world. It's impossible to route the enemy so long as people make money from it. If they are not strictly regulated, it doesn't take long before they become the enemy. That's where we are now, but our moderates don't have the balls to hold them accountable.
Neither Israel nor Hamas has a vision for peace. Nothing the IDF does, short of annihilating all of the Palestinians or deporting them far away, will ever "bring them to heel". Any future that includes Palestinians remaining in Palestine has to include Israel basically respecting their rights to their land and their livelihood, or else it will not be a peaceful future. And Israel is not prepared to do that. Not this generation.
Israel is not the only bad guy, of course. Any other oppressed group would have made more of an effort to accommodate and assimilate, except the Palestinians have been paid to continue their struggle. At first the Arab League paid them to struggle and fight but now it's basically just Iran and some wealthy fanatics all over the world.
If an Iranian came here and started offering people money to commit violence, we would say, "go back to your country, man." At best. We might throw him in jail. That's my point. We would view any person who took the money as a traitor to our people.
Until the Palestinians start feeling the same way about their so-called allies, until they start policing themselves, and telling each other, "let's not start more crap with the Israelis," they will never ever be "brought to heel.". Israel can't do that for them. Neither can we. They have to figure it out for themselves.
But they'll never figure it out unless they're offered a chance at dignity and equality with the Jews.
(10-24-2023, 06:57 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2023, 04:23 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I don't watch any of that stuff. It breaks me. The reality is this is going on all over the world. We are fortunate to have largely evaded that type of brutality in this country. On the flip side, we are totally insulated from the role or government plays on these overseas affairs.
Imo, this battle needed to be fought a long time ago. You can not stop the fighting if you don't bring the enemy to heel, and that looks absolutely barbaric.
However, you have to ask the tough questions of why our government seems to perpetually enable war around the world. It's impossible to route the enemy so long as people make money from it. If they are not strictly regulated, it doesn't take long before they become the enemy. That's where we are now, but our moderates don't have the balls to hold them accountable.
Look into the founding of Hamas and the other terrorists. It's all a big shell game where the countries that are fighting them, fund a different group, and then they end up fighting that group. The only way to win is going to be to flatten it and then flood it because of all the tunnels. Then you can find the entrances, if needed, where the water drains and destroy anything underground that needs destroying.
In Gaza, everyone supports the terrorists because if you don't, you don't get support or aid. They control the government, they control the aid from other countries, and they can make your terrible life worse than it already is.
Unfortunately there is little that can be done to save innocent people as hardly any of them are innocent. Basically everyone is guilty of supporting the terrorist government. No country wants them as you can't vet them and they won't assimilate.
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Hamas broke away from the PLO because the PLO was negotiating for Israel to remain on the map.
The PLO had worked to represent all the scattered Palestinians and tried to solve their problems and came to the sincere conclusion that trying to eliminate Israel would only make things worse for them. That their only chance of improving their own lot was to accept Israel and only struggle in terms of what borders and powers Israel would ultimately have.
The hard reality of governing changed them from zealots to pragmatists. It's a very common pattern. One that is currently frustrating many Republican voters. They think the people they send to Washington are "selling out" but they're not. Once they get to Washington they confront reality.
Anyhow, the people who ultimately defected and formed Hamas would have also changed, except they were offered money from other states. Outside money is prolonging this.
All that said, it is wrong, dangerously wrong to call all of them terrorists. The Japanese fought to the last man, until their leaders capitulated and publicly shook hands with our generals. We didn't have to kill all of the Japanese. It can be similar with Hamas.
(10-24-2023, 01:23 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2023, 01:09 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Gird your loins and be wary of links you open. In response to charges of genocide committed by Israelis on the Gaza Strip, Israel has decided to publicly release the most disturbing footage of attacks by Hamas on Israeli civilians. One purported to be the extraction of a baby from the womb of its dead mother and left to dangle on its umbilical cord. We’ve already heard about the beheading of children.
Please don’t post that stuff here.
I don't blame them and must admit that the more I see, I almost think any rebellious action may be justified. Just cannot believe Hamas didn't care about placing the Palestinian citizen in grave danger that would result from their planned killings, especially in a manner that they did this to innocent Israeli civilians.
They're a
terrorist organization. WTH would they give a [BLEEP] about the Palestinians whom they are using to get to Israelis. Jihad doesn't care about collateral damage.
(10-24-2023, 11:38 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2023, 01:23 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]I don't blame them and must admit that the more I see, I almost think any rebellious action may be justified. Just cannot believe Hamas didn't care about placing the Palestinian citizen in grave danger that would result from their planned killings, especially in a manner that they did this to innocent Israeli civilians.
They're a terrorist organization. WTH would they give a [BLEEP] about the Palestinians whom they are using to get to Israelis. Jihad doesn't care about collateral damage.
You will never convince the Both Sides Bad contingent.
(10-24-2023, 07:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2023, 04:23 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I don't watch any of that stuff. It breaks me. The reality is this is going on all over the world. We are fortunate to have largely evaded that type of brutality in this country. On the flip side, we are totally insulated from the role or government plays on these overseas affairs.
Imo, this battle needed to be fought a long time ago. You can not stop the fighting if you don't bring the enemy to heel, and that looks absolutely barbaric.
However, you have to ask the tough questions of why our government seems to perpetually enable war around the world. It's impossible to route the enemy so long as people make money from it. If they are not strictly regulated, it doesn't take long before they become the enemy. That's where we are now, but our moderates don't have the balls to hold them accountable.
Neither Israel nor Hamas has a vision for peace. Nothing the IDF does, short of annihilating all of the Palestinians or deporting them far away, will ever "bring them to heel". Any future that includes Palestinians remaining in Palestine has to include Israel basically respecting their rights to their land and their livelihood, or else it will not be a peaceful future. And Israel is not prepared to do that. Not this generation.
Israel is not the only bad guy, of course. Any other oppressed group would have made more of an effort to accommodate and assimilate, except the Palestinians have been paid to continue their struggle. At first the Arab League paid them to struggle and fight but now it's basically just Iran and some wealthy fanatics all over the world.
If an Iranian came here and started offering people money to commit violence, we would say, "go back to your country, man." At best. We might throw him in jail. That's my point. We would view any person who took the money as a traitor to our people.
Until the Palestinians start feeling the same way about their so-called allies, until they start policing themselves, and telling each other, "let's not start more crap with the Israelis," they will never ever be "brought to heel.". Israel can't do that for them. Neither can we. They have to figure it out for themselves.
But they'll never figure it out unless they're offered a chance at dignity and equality with the Jews.
You put the cart before the horse.
(10-25-2023, 09:43 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2023, 07:37 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Neither Israel nor Hamas has a vision for peace. Nothing the IDF does, short of annihilating all of the Palestinians or deporting them far away, will ever "bring them to heel". Any future that includes Palestinians remaining in Palestine has to include Israel basically respecting their rights to their land and their livelihood, or else it will not be a peaceful future. And Israel is not prepared to do that. Not this generation.
Israel is not the only bad guy, of course. Any other oppressed group would have made more of an effort to accommodate and assimilate, except the Palestinians have been paid to continue their struggle. At first the Arab League paid them to struggle and fight but now it's basically just Iran and some wealthy fanatics all over the world.
If an Iranian came here and started offering people money to commit violence, we would say, "go back to your country, man." At best. We might throw him in jail. That's my point. We would view any person who took the money as a traitor to our people.
Until the Palestinians start feeling the same way about their so-called allies, until they start policing themselves, and telling each other, "let's not start more crap with the Israelis," they will never ever be "brought to heel.". Israel can't do that for them. Neither can we. They have to figure it out for themselves.
But they'll never figure it out unless they're offered a chance at dignity and equality with the Jews.
You put the cart before the horse.
How so? Can you imagine a world where the Palestinians remain in Gaza, and stop fighting for years, without Israel being more respectful to the rights of all Palestinians? I can't. They may do a lot of damage to the place and declare "mission accomplished" but if they don't change some of this big picture stuff, another group, maybe worse than Hamas, will be constituted in their place.
"Israel is not the only bad guy"
Damn Jews, why won't they just get in the ovens themselves.
(10-25-2023, 03:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]"Israel is not the only bad guy"
Damn Jews, why won't they just get in the ovens themselves.
How would you react if someone built a military barrier between your 200 year old house and your 300 year old orchard? And then said the trees weren't yours anymore?
What if they made it so the only road connecting your mom's family home to your dad's family home had a checkpoint, and you had to risk getting rocks thrown at your car every time you used it? The police encourage the rock throwers.
2nd amendment solution?
Regarding all of those tunnels in Gaza, perhaps they could leverage the work and simply build a bad [BLEEP] metro system like NYC and have Gaza become the next Manhattan along the Mediterranean Sea.
(10-27-2023, 11:18 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding all of those tunnels in Gaza, perhaps they could leverage the work and simply build a bad [BLEEP] metro system like NYC and have Gaza become the next Manhattan along the Mediterranean Sea.
Pleasant female recorded voice: "Next stop, Martyr Station".
(10-27-2023, 12:13 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2023, 11:18 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding all of those tunnels in Gaza, perhaps they could leverage the work and simply build a bad [BLEEP] metro system like NYC and have Gaza become the next Manhattan along the Mediterranean Sea.
Pleasant female recorded voice: "Next stop, Martyr Station".
FEMALE!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!
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Isreal is invading Gaza as I type this. Is this the beginning of WW3?
(10-27-2023, 08:03 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Isreal is invading Gaza as I type this. Is this the beginning of WW3?
It’s very possible.
Hidden in the news is China/Russia holding joint drills and China now has ships encircling Taiwan. [BLEEP] is about to hit the fan.
Turkey hinting they might declare war in Israel which would mean a fractured nato
(10-28-2023, 03:28 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Turkey hinting they might declare war in Israel which would mean a fractured nato
Speaking of Turkey, this is a really good video that I watched a few weeks ago, explaining the history of Turkey and more importantly, why this country is in the UN but typically sides in favor of non-UN countries or remains very neutral at best. It also shows how they kind of got screwed over during the division of land and waterways (to the Greeks) after each war and various battles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbXpOQCds8A
(10-31-2023, 11:36 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2023, 03:28 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Turkey hinting they might declare war in Israel which would mean a fractured nato
Speaking of Turkey, this is a really good video that I watched a few weeks ago, explaining the history of Turkey and more importantly, why this country is in the UN but typically sides in favor of non-UN countries or remains very neutral at best. It also shows how they kind of got screwed over during the division of land and waterways (to the Greeks) after each war and various battles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbXpOQCds8A
I have great trouble sympathyzing with the Turks.