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I know it's a challenge with this topic but we still need to stay away from religion on the message board.

(10-11-2023, 03:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure someone has mentioned it - but it sure seems the US values Israel as an ally against Iran more than they value staying out of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict/occupation.

The United States, Iran, and $1.7 billion: Sorting out the details | Brookings

Biden’s $90 Billion Bailout to Tehran (foreignpolicy.com)

Then why are we financially supporting, in any capacity, Iran? Because it sure seems like our Government enjoys being the Whore of Babylon when it comes to anything Middle Eastern related. 

The US values it's self interests via it's political pawns that are financially backed and kept in check with kickback money. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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(10-11-2023, 03:46 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I know it's a challenge with this topic but we still need to stay away from religion on the message board.

You think? This is like trying not to drop the bar of soap in an open air prison shower.

Kibbutz

Interesting. I've been hearing a lot of references to different Kibbutz in which Israeli's were slaughtered or kidnapped and I thought that was a Hebrew name for town. As it turns out, a Kibbutz is a community in which all members partake in farming and other tasks and split their profits. These specific locations were targeted by Hamas as they were near the Gaza Strip.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/middleeas...index.html

Agreed with the second paragraph. This is the way it should be. However, it will not be so.

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(10-11-2023, 03:55 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2023, 03:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure someone has mentioned it - but it sure seems the US values Israel as an ally against Iran more than they value staying out of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict/occupation.

The United States, Iran, and $1.7 billion: Sorting out the details | Brookings

Biden’s $90 Billion Bailout to Tehran (foreignpolicy.com)

Then why are we financially supporting, in any capacity, Iran? Because it sure seems like our Government enjoys being the Whore of Babylon when it comes to anything Middle Eastern related. 

The US values it's self interests via it's political pawns that are financially backed and kept in check with kickback money. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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They thought they'd been effective enough with the stick for a while and gave the carrot a try. 

Not gonna work.

(10-11-2023, 07:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2023, 03:55 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]The United States, Iran, and $1.7 billion: Sorting out the details | Brookings

Biden’s $90 Billion Bailout to Tehran (foreignpolicy.com)

Then why are we financially supporting, in any capacity, Iran? Because it sure seems like our Government enjoys being the Whore of Babylon when it comes to anything Middle Eastern related. 

The US values it's self interests via it's political pawns that are financially backed and kept in check with kickback money. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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They thought they'd been effective enough with the stick for a while and gave the carrot a try. 

Not gonna work.

It's not going to work. For sure. We might see a strong unification if this is also true and leads anywhere long term.

Getting dangerously close to WWIII.

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We already have presense in the theater. Iran doesnt want any part of this. I see no chance if they attack Israel we dont get involved.

https://youtu.be/Pv-qwRWcAeE?si=64gQIzKGUPQaYTQS

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I listened to an interview yesterday and this fellow gave some interesting insight as to what prompted this attack by Hamas. I want to share the video but the channel itself is run by Messianic Jewish brothers and other videos do talk about religious things that we're not supposed to discuss here, but this is not so much about the religious nature of what's happening as it is the political. I'm not versed at all in geopolitics and would have to commit time to taking notes to share here and I don't have time being as we're preparing to go on vacation. 

The meat of it is, the attack is believed to be a deep state situation in which certain people in the Israeli government want Netanyahu out (he's been in office for 13 years) and there is a shadow government that is in place that allowed for things to happen behind the scenes and explains why Israel was caught completely off guard by the attacks. So basically this is a coup d'état. 

He talks about what happens if other specific countries join Hamas and how allies of Israel will have to respond, to include the U.S.

He says a lot of interesting things and those of you who better understand geopolitical issues may be able to suss things out and decide whether he knows his stuff or it's a bunch of fluff. 

If you want to watch the interview look for Avi Lipkin on youtube. It's on the channel My Jewish Roots.

These events are always fertile breeding grounds for conspiracy theories.

Sometimes things just happen.

(10-12-2023, 10:25 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]These events are always fertile breeding grounds for conspiracy theories.

Sometimes things just happen.

That's honestly fair and a good point. Historically human beings with our human nature have always been at war with each other or have had a wide variety of issues to use as an excuse to kill one another. Whether it be over political reasons, religious reasons, land and resources, birth rites or good old fashioned Helen of Troy situations.

You're correct. Sometimes things just happen. Sadly, we're all guilty of this. You see it in your ordinary, day to day lives more than likely.

One minute, you forgot to take the trash out, or, you misunderstood something your wife or husband said and it leads into a petty argument, which leads into deep rooted verbal daggers being thrown around, which then leads into something you did 10 years ago, which then leads to one of you sleeping on the couch or elsewhere that night, which then leads to divorce, or, homicide. 

Totally get it man. Sometimes things just happen. That could be what happened here. Sometimes people just can't take it anymore, they snap, somebody put the match in the proverbial gas tank annnnnnd boom goes the dynamite.

Anyone hear about the State Department requiring Promissory Notes from US citizens they help evacuate the country? I've not heard of us doing that for other crises, I wonder if it's legit? I would expect our tax dollars to actually fund that kind of intervention to protect our citizens, the idea that they might be sent to collections bothers me.

(10-12-2023, 01:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone hear about the State Department requiring Promissory Notes from US citizens they help evacuate the country? I've not heard of us doing that for other crises, I wonder if it's legit? I would expect our tax dollars to actually fund that kind of intervention to protect our citizens, the idea that they might be sent to collections bothers me.

I don't know how much you trust Hannity, but he's reporting it as well.

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1...2a6Qg&s=19

(10-12-2023, 01:20 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2023, 01:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone hear about the State Department requiring Promissory Notes from US citizens they help evacuate the country? I've not heard of us doing that for other crises, I wonder if it's legit? I would expect our tax dollars to actually fund that kind of intervention to protect our citizens, the idea that they might be sent to collections bothers me.

I don't know how much you trust Hannity, but he's reporting it as well.

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1...2a6Qg&s=19

This is the second "source" I'm seeing this from but it could be copied from somewhere else. Who knows these days. There is nothing on the official White House website that I can find. 

As much as this administration screws things up I cannot imagine they would do this. I do know Poland sent a C-130 to get its citizens out of there but were fired upon when entering Israeli airspace so it didn't work out. No one is able to leave at this point due to interference at the airport and the borders.

(10-12-2023, 01:41 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2023, 01:20 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know how much you trust Hannity, but he's reporting it as well.

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1...2a6Qg&s=19

This is the second "source" I'm seeing this from but it could be copied from somewhere else. Who knows these days. There is nothing on the official White House website that I can find. 

As much as this administration screws things up I cannot imagine they would do this. I do know Poland sent a C-130 to get its citizens out of there but were fired upon when entering Israeli airspace so it didn't work out. No one is able to leave at this point due to interference at the airport and the borders.

Extremely true, but they've also done worse, so I can't put it passed them.

Knowing this administration, it will depend on how the person identifies.

(10-12-2023, 01:20 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2023, 01:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone hear about the State Department requiring Promissory Notes from US citizens they help evacuate the country? I've not heard of us doing that for other crises, I wonder if it's legit? I would expect our tax dollars to actually fund that kind of intervention to protect our citizens, the idea that they might be sent to collections bothers me.

I don't know how much you trust Hannity, but he's reporting it as well.

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1...2a6Qg&s=19

NO [BLEEP] WAY! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!?

Dude... if this is accurate? Holy hell. You mean to tell me we can throw billions of dollars into these countries that causes these conflicts to advance and escalate under the guise of "foreign aid" but we can't financially back our own [BLEEP] people!?!?!?!

Where is the outrage?!?!?!

(10-12-2023, 02:28 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2023, 01:20 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know how much you trust Hannity, but he's reporting it as well.

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1...2a6Qg&s=19

NO [BLEEP] WAY! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?!?

Dude... if this is accurate? Holy hell. You mean to tell me we can throw billions of dollars into these countries that causes these conflicts to advance and escalate under the guise of "foreign aid" but we can't financially back our own [BLEEP] people!?!?!?!

Where is the outrage?!?!?!

We still don't know if it's true.

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(10-12-2023, 01:46 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2023, 01:41 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]This is the second "source" I'm seeing this from but it could be copied from somewhere else. Who knows these days. There is nothing on the official White House website that I can find. 

As much as this administration screws things up I cannot imagine they would do this. I do know Poland sent a C-130 to get its citizens out of there but were fired upon when entering Israeli airspace so it didn't work out. No one is able to leave at this point due to interference at the airport and the borders.

Extremely true, but they've also done worse, so I can't put it passed them.

I'm trying to remain optimistic unless/until we know otherwise.

(10-10-2023, 02:24 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2023, 01:33 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The part that really breaks my heart is there are innocent people in Gaza too.  Their population is 2 million.  The Hamas fighters and support staff that are actively engaged in trying to kill Israelis probably number less than 20,000.  Do you think maybe 1% of the people in Gaza are disgusted by all of this? That would be 20,000 innocent people who are now going to be under a starvation seige from Israel for an unknow amount of time.
Its probably more than 1% .  What would you do if you were born in Gaza? How would you work towards eliminating Hamas and replacing them with a rational government? There are no easy answers.

Most people in the Gaza Strip are never even allowed to leave the 140 square miles region, as dictated by the Israeli Gov.  Think about that.  The Gaza Strip is 6x LESS the size of Jacksonville.   Imagine being trapped in a city 6x less then the size of Jacksonville and never being able to leave.  C R A Z Y !!!!

That's not entirely true.  They can leave by air or sea whenever they want.  They just can't leave by land which would require them to cross the border into Israel.

Unlike your boy Biden or your party, the border in Israel is shut off from Illegals going across.  Our border(s) should be just as strict.

(10-12-2023, 03:49 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2023, 02:24 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Most people in the Gaza Strip are never even allowed to leave the 140 square miles region, as dictated by the Israeli Gov.  Think about that.  The Gaza Strip is 6x LESS the size of Jacksonville.   Imagine being trapped in a city 6x less then the size of Jacksonville and never being able to leave.  C R A Z Y !!!!

That's not entirely true.  They can leave by air or sea whenever they want.  They just can't leave by land which would require them to cross the border into Israel.

Unlike your boy Biden or your party, the border in Israel is shut off from Illegals going across.  Our border(s) should be just as strict.

And look where that got them, 260 people murdered at a concert event and hundreds of others brutally murdered in their own communities.  Yep, that strict border sure does work.   Considering over 1,000 Israeli's were killed out of a population of 9 million, that would equate to 37,000 US citizens of our 331 million population getting killed; all within 3 days.  So, are you sure that strict border works or does it simply result in pent up hate?