(10-31-2023, 12:06 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2023, 11:36 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of Turkey, this is a really good video that I watched a few weeks ago, explaining the history of Turkey and more importantly, why this country is in the UN but typically sides in favor of non-UN countries or remains very neutral at best. It also shows how they kind of got screwed over during the division of land and waterways (to the Greeks) after each war and various battles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbXpOQCds8A
I have great trouble sympathyzing with the Turks.
I don't like the Turks at all, especially with the fact that they are refusing to vote certain countries into the UN as it takes 100% Yes votes of the UN member countries.
The best part of the video clip that I sent was the fact that the Greeks own numerous tiny islands throughout the Aegean Sea which Turkey also borders. They used to recognize ownership of the Aegean Sea out to 3 nautical miles, then 6 nautical miles, and now 12 nautical miles, which essentially means Greece controls ownership of most of the Sea, which Turkey does not recognize. Thus, Greece and Turkey hate each other, which I never knew until watching that video. My original goal was to seek how Turkey even got into the UN, which is also explained in the video. They essentially feared Russian territorial takeover so they joined the UN for protection.
(10-31-2023, 01:42 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtube.com/shorts/pIAoB9eeJjA?s...OHGV8zsfvI
As politely as possible, that's [BLEEP].
Pipes carry water. Pipes aren't water. They're pipes.
They don't have good water because it rarely rains there, and they've overdrawn their aquifer. Tel Aviv would be in the same situation except the Israelis built a canal to divert water from the sea of Galilee for Tel Aviv. If the Arabs had pursued a peaceful, multi-ethnic state, that canal would probably extend to Gaza by now. Pipes becoming rockets has nothing to do with it.
(10-31-2023, 01:55 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2023, 01:42 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtube.com/shorts/pIAoB9eeJjA?s...OHGV8zsfvI
As politely as possible, that's [BLEEP].
Pipes carry water. Piprs aren't water. They're pipes.
They don't have good water because it rarely rains there, and they've overdrawn their aquifer. Tel Aviv would be in the same situation except the Israelis built a canal to divert water from the sea of Galilee for Tel Aviv. If the Arabs had pursued a peaceful, multi-ethnic state, that canal would probably extend to Gaza by now. Pipes becoming rockets has nothing to do with it.
It's one of the many examples of aid being used for terrorism. Everything going there is filtered through the terrorists and then given out. It's why it can't continue to exist unless it really becomes a prison.
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(11-01-2023, 03:20 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2023, 01:55 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]As politely as possible, that's [BLEEP].
Pipes carry water. Piprs aren't water. They're pipes.
They don't have good water because it rarely rains there, and they've overdrawn their aquifer. Tel Aviv would be in the same situation except the Israelis built a canal to divert water from the sea of Galilee for Tel Aviv. If the Arabs had pursued a peaceful, multi-ethnic state, that canal would probably extend to Gaza by now. Pipes becoming rockets has nothing to do with it.
It's one of the many examples of aid being used for terrorism. Everything going there is filtered through the terrorists and then given out. It's why it can't continue to exist unless it really becomes a prison.
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True that aid to Gaza typically goes to the terrorists.
Even treating the population more like prisoners, by occupying each street corner and supervising each warehouse, will not work by itself because the locals will find ways to kill the occupying soldiers regardless.
The population needs to be deported, or offered a future with more dignity and civil rights.
That future could be the mythic Palestinian State. But Israel can't create that outcome directly. The Palestinians themselves (or other Arabs) have to organize an army that believes in having a Palestinian state next to an Israeli state. Then that army has to defeat and replace Hamas and create that new state. The IDF could support that army with air strikes but it can't be that army.
The other possibility for them staying, that Israel can create but won't, is having the IDF defeat Hamas and give everyone under IDF occupation Israeli citizenship with as little discrimination as possible.
Then the deporting possibility, there has to be a state that will take them. If Egypt or Jordan or UAE were offered enough money, they might start to take them. The price they would ask is probably quite high though, probably around $50k per person. Works out to at least 50 billion dollars that would mostly have to come from us.
(11-01-2023, 07:18 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Then the deporting possibility, there has to be a state that will take them. If Egypt or Jordan or UAE were offered enough money, they might start to take them. The price they would ask is probably quite high though, probably around $50k per person. Works out to at least 50 billion dollars that would mostly have to come from us.
No one wants them. Egypt mostly but also Jordan already kicked them out. No country wants them because they won't assimilate.
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(11-01-2023, 02:48 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 07:18 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Then the deporting possibility, there has to be a state that will take them. If Egypt or Jordan or UAE were offered enough money, they might start to take them. The price they would ask is probably quite high though, probably around $50k per person. Works out to at least 50 billion dollars that would mostly have to come from us.
No one wants them. Egypt mostly but also Jordan already kicked them out. No country wants them because they won't assimilate.
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Jordan has accepted and assimilated perhaps 2 million Palestinians already. Some remain in "camps," many are out. There is refusal to assimilate in Lebanon, and it's mutual. Egypt does not have many but those they have are mostly assimilated.
(11-01-2023, 05:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 02:48 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]No one wants them. Egypt mostly but also Jordan already kicked them out. No country wants them because they won't assimilate.
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Jordan has accepted and assimilated perhaps 2 million Palestinians already. Some remain in "camps," many are out. There is refusal to assimilate in Lebanon, and it's mutual. Egypt does not have many but those they have are mostly assimilated.
Mike do you work in foreign relations or something? Honest question or do you just follow that stuff real close? There's no way I would've known about Palestinian camps in Jordan or Lebanon and Palestinian assimilation problems or success of assimilation in Egypt. Where do you even read about that casually? I know what I hear on the radio or read off different drudge report links or if I hear something that peaks my curiosity I Google it and read more, but you just seem to know what countries are doing on many different topics.
I try and stay educated on what the hell is going on the United States but I feel like you could hold a conversation as if you lived in numerous countries. Which makes me guess maybe your work is effected by it so your around it more? Just curious
(11-02-2023, 10:24 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 05:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Jordan has accepted and assimilated perhaps 2 million Palestinians already. Some remain in "camps," many are out. There is refusal to assimilate in Lebanon, and it's mutual. Egypt does not have many but those they have are mostly assimilated.
Mike do you work in foreign relations or something? Honest question or do you just follow that stuff real close? There's no way I would've known about Palestinian camps in Jordan or Lebanon and Palestinian assimilation problems or success of assimilation in Egypt. Where do you even read about that casually? I know what I hear on the radio or read off different drudge report links or if I hear something that peaks my curiosity I Google it and read more, but you just seem to know what countries are doing on many different topics.
I try and stay educated on what the hell is going on the United States but I feel like you could hold a conversation as if you lived in numerous countries. Which makes me guess maybe your work is effected by it so your around it more? Just curious
Wikipedia is a hell of a source.
(11-02-2023, 10:24 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 05:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Jordan has accepted and assimilated perhaps 2 million Palestinians already. Some remain in "camps," many are out. There is refusal to assimilate in Lebanon, and it's mutual. Egypt does not have many but those they have are mostly assimilated.
Mike do you work in foreign relations or something? Honest question or do you just follow that stuff real close? There's no way I would've known about Palestinian camps in Jordan or Lebanon and Palestinian assimilation problems or success of assimilation in Egypt. Where do you even read about that casually? I know what I hear on the radio or read off different drudge report links or if I hear something that peaks my curiosity I Google it and read more, but you just seem to know what countries are doing on many different topics.
I try and stay educated on what the hell is going on the United States but I feel like you could hold a conversation as if you lived in numerous countries. Which makes me guess maybe your work is effected by it so your around it more? Just curious
I have a good memory. What I told you about Jordan I first learned from a Jordanian student I met at church while in college.
(11-02-2023, 10:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2023, 10:24 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Mike do you work in foreign relations or something? Honest question or do you just follow that stuff real close? There's no way I would've known about Palestinian camps in Jordan or Lebanon and Palestinian assimilation problems or success of assimilation in Egypt. Where do you even read about that casually? I know what I hear on the radio or read off different drudge report links or if I hear something that peaks my curiosity I Google it and read more, but you just seem to know what countries are doing on many different topics.
I try and stay educated on what the hell is going on the United States but I feel like you could hold a conversation as if you lived in numerous countries. Which makes me guess maybe your work is effected by it so your around it more? Just curious
Wikipedia is a hell of a source.
Nothing wrong with Wikipedia.
(11-05-2023, 01:06 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The left isn't trying to hide its antisemitism now.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/03/opinions/...index.html
It's a shame the author had to come to this realization the way he did. I read the article to my husband and told him if you're in liberal land you're not safe. They're like rabid dogs that will smile at you then a second later rip your face off for disagreeing with them.
(11-05-2023, 08:27 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-05-2023, 01:06 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The left isn't trying to hide its antisemitism now.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/03/opinions/...index.html
It's a shame the author had to come to this realization the way he did. I read the article to my husband and told him if you're in liberal land you're not safe. They're like rabid dogs that will smile at you then a second later rip your face off for disagreeing with them.
They eat their own in ruthless ideological purification. And it's glorious.
(11-06-2023, 09:30 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-05-2023, 08:27 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]It's a shame the author had to come to this realization the way he did. I read the article to my husband and told him if you're in liberal land you're not safe. They're like rabid dogs that will smile at you then a second later rip your face off for disagreeing with them.
They eat their own in ruthless ideological purification. And it's glorious.
So unlike the conservatives, who never eat their own in the name of purity.
This needs to stop. This could go sideways really quickly and it could be bad for everyone involved. You don't storm an American military base without consequences. I get that people are angry and upset but doing this is not the answer.
I was living in Stuttgart Germany, the headquarters for the American services in Europe, when 9/11 happened and to say it was a surreal experience is an understatement. Add to that the German police who stationed an actual tank and a specially trained police force at the front gate of the main installation (one of four) along with our own military police....it was really intense. And no one was outwardly trying to assault the base.
I can't imagine what this will trigger as far as OPSEC (operational security) measures at our installations around the world. I remember the soldiers weren't allowed to wear their uniforms to and from work. They had to wear civvies and change when they got there and before they left for home. The shuttle busses that went between the four bases were considered targets. We were initially told to not go into town for safety reasons and if we did to not make it obvious we were Americans.
I remember carrying a "go bag" every time I left my house in the event something happened and I was stuck on the main installation (I lived in a different one) or the one my then husband worked in, I at least had toiletries, a book to read and an extra set of clothes. That went on for about a month or so. You can't take the soldier out of the girl! I was always prepared.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-nKYHl1gu_...JjIG5ld3Mg
(11-06-2023, 11:41 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]This needs to stop. This could go sideways really quickly and it could be bad for everyone involved. You don't storm an American military base without consequences. I get that people are angry and upset but doing this is not the answer.
I was living in Stuttgart Germany, the headquarters for the American services in Europe, when 9/11 happened and to say it was a surreal experience is an understatement. Add to that the German police who stationed an actual tank and a specially trained police force at the front gate of the main installation (one of four) along with our own military police....it was really intense. And no one was outwardly trying to assault the base.
I can't imagine what this will trigger as far as OPSEC (operational security) measures at our installations around the world. I remember the soldiers weren't allowed to wear their uniforms to and from work. They had to wear civvies and change when they got there and before they left for home. The shuttle busses that went between the four bases were considered targets. We were initially told to not go into town for safety reasons and if we did to not make it obvious we were Americans.
I remember carrying a "go bag" every time I left my house in the event something happened and I was stuck on the main installation (I lived in a different one) or the one my then husband worked in, I at least had toiletries, a book to read and an extra set of clothes. That went on for about a month or so. You can't take the soldier out of the girl! I was always prepared.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-nKYHl1gu_...JjIG5ld3Mg
Thankfully this protest is over and the organizers expressed regret that some of the protestors threw rocks
But as always a reminder to be grateful for the folks we have in harms way, even in "allied" countries.
(11-06-2023, 11:38 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2023, 09:30 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]They eat their own in ruthless ideological purification. And it's glorious.
So unlike the conservatives, who never eat their own in the name of purity.
Nope, they eat their own over fealty to the left's agenda. Gotta surrender faster or you're out.
(11-06-2023, 11:54 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2023, 11:38 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]So unlike the conservatives, who never eat their own in the name of purity.
Nope, they eat their own over fealty to the left's agenda. Gotta surrender faster or you're out.
Ah so you see yourself as the victim. I guess everyone does though.
(11-06-2023, 11:41 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]This needs to stop. This could go sideways really quickly and it could be bad for everyone involved. You don't storm an American military base without consequences. I get that people are angry and upset but doing this is not the answer.
I was living in Stuttgart Germany, the headquarters for the American services in Europe, when 9/11 happened and to say it was a surreal experience is an understatement. Add to that the German police who stationed an actual tank and a specially trained police force at the front gate of the main installation (one of four) along with our own military police....it was really intense. And no one was outwardly trying to assault the base.
I can't imagine what this will trigger as far as OPSEC (operational security) measures at our installations around the world. I remember the soldiers weren't allowed to wear their uniforms to and from work. They had to wear civvies and change when they got there and before they left for home. The shuttle busses that went between the four bases were considered targets. We were initially told to not go into town for safety reasons and if we did to not make it obvious we were Americans.
I remember carrying a "go bag" every time I left my house in the event something happened and I was stuck on the main installation (I lived in a different one) or the one my then husband worked in, I at least had toiletries, a book to read and an extra set of clothes. That went on for about a month or so. You can't take the soldier out of the girl! I was always prepared.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-nKYHl1gu_...JjIG5ld3Mg
When I was in the Philippines, a communist group known as the New People’s Army were ambushing and killing Americans. It got so bad my wife and kids didn’t ride with me in the car. Life got pretty edgy for a while.
(11-06-2023, 11:57 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (11-06-2023, 11:54 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Nope, they eat their own over fealty to the left's agenda. Gotta surrender faster or you're out.
Ah so you see yourself as the victim. I guess everyone does though.
I would if I were you. I'm not, so it's just an observation on the spinelessness of your party.