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Shad Khan just does not know how to run a football team. Baalke was so controversial and he hung in there, was a big mistake. He hired Gus and Caldwell, big mistake. The fish stinks from the head.

(09-23-2024, 06:26 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]If jags go 0-3 in blowout fashion tonight they need to pull a buffalo 2023 and send Taylor and rauscher packing tomorrow

THIS

RIGHT

HERE

At least with Dorsey, you could see he was frustrated and saw the writing on the wall. Is ANYONE in our building uncomfortable over failing to meet expected performance? I for one don't see it.

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(09-24-2024, 12:12 AM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2024, 06:14 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Jags fans at the moment: 

Jags fans now:

Given the fact that the shot missed everything in the vicinity, I thought this was more a metaphor for our team.

(09-24-2024, 08:30 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Any Doug supporters still out there?

He must be challenged to make some tough decisions. If he is loyal to a fault, his fault might lead to his departure (again).

He is ultimately accountable. He was brought in based on his ability to lead, to manage, and to get results out of the team that at this point was built for him. If that is not happening, he needs to either change his approach, change his support staff, or step down if unwilling to make those changes.

I am not the biggest fan of volatility. Change for the sake of change or setting unattainable expectations is not going to foster success often. But the way things have started, there must be SOME change made to address the failure. We may not take drastic action right away, but he's got to get a hold of things and start recuperating the team's confidence or we will spiral quickly.

(09-24-2024, 10:27 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/183...4720565352

I've been saying this since last year. 

They look like they get together on Tuesdays and Thursdays after school for an hour and a half and just mess around untill mommy or daddy picks them up for dinner.  Then on Sundays they get together and hope for the best.

(09-24-2024, 10:27 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/183...4720565352

Yep. And the worry is it's not just one bad drive, we do this so many times a game, so many games a season. These are things you expect to see get better over a few week period.

And I'm getting real concerned Doug keeps saying he doesn't know why it's happening.

Doug looks like he just doesn’t care anymore. 

https://x.com/gus_logue/status/1838638915441295569

(09-24-2024, 02:56 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Doug looks like he just doesn’t care anymore. 

https://x.com/gus_logue/status/1838638915441295569

Yup, you can see it in his body language. Dudes done this to two different organizations. First year turn around, QB shows promise, then run the organization in to the ground for Press Taylor.

(09-24-2024, 02:56 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Doug looks like he just doesn’t care anymore. 

https://x.com/gus_logue/status/1838638915441295569

This guy needs a bus ticket..

Yeah he’s done. More than a well done steak.

It’s a shame Khan doesn’t see it

"If you want to be an elite football team you have to have leaders in the lockeroom"
"The speeches are done, the rah-rah stuff is over, it's just football"
"It's a two way street, coaches coach, players play"
"It's been great, there's been no issues with communication from play caller to Quarterback".

Very dry responses about the potential coaching staff changes or personnel changes, the lack of communication, etc. Contradicts himself a little bit.

You had two delay of game penalties that had to be bailed out by timeouts against Cleveland. You had a decent run negated last night by illegal formation where you were clearly upset and telling Lawrence "You can't do that".

He's checked out. I know the team got back into town at 6:00 AM this morning. I get that. We'll see man. Just win a [BLEEP] game, get your mojo back.

The last bit pisses me off a bit, he admits that it's the same offense base wise from 2022 and 2023, that's not correct, at all. There's clearly been an emphasis on running it more first and playing more with Lawrence from under center.

There's clearly a disconnect. So, two issues really with his statement.

1. If it's the same base offense from the last two years? Why do you suck this bad then just three weeks in with 17, 13 and 10 points scored in that order?

2. If it's the same base offense from the last two years? Are you not truly evolving or changing the scheme effectively or properly enough to suit the team's strengths and mask their weaknesses after two years of running the same base offense for the most part?

These media people suck. I would have had those two questions locked and loaded after those half [BLEEP] responses...

(09-24-2024, 04:16 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status...2111058427

I get it, but the whole point is moot given the glaring difference in press coverage and off coverage spoiling the ability for the rub route to be effective.

If anything - when the man playing the rub route offensively (Strange here) is facing off coverage instead of press coverage, they should alter the wheel to a curl or shallow cross with a call at the LOS.

(09-24-2024, 06:19 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2024, 04:16 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/status...2111058427

I get it, but the whole point is moot given the glaring difference in press coverage and off coverage spoiling the ability for the rub route to be effective.

If anything - when the man playing the rub route offensively (Strange here) is facing off coverage instead of press coverage, they should alter the wheel to a curl or shallow cross with a call at the LOS.

It doesn't matter if Strange's guy is playing off. Strange break was way too late to give ETN room to be open. 

Even if Strange's guy switches to ETN, ETN would still have been open to get some yards on the play.

(09-24-2024, 06:25 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2024, 06:19 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I get it, but the whole point is moot given the glaring difference in press coverage and off coverage spoiling the ability for the rub route to be effective.

If anything - when the man playing the rub route offensively (Strange here) is facing off coverage instead of press coverage, they should alter the wheel to a curl or shallow cross with a call at the LOS.

It doesn't matter if Strange's guy is playing off. Strange break was way too late to give ETN room to be open. 

Even if Strange's guy switches to ETN, ETN would still have been open to get some yards on the play.

Oh it matters a ton. 

If one guy is supposed to influence two different defenders to cancel each other - those two guys need to have a reason to be in the same damn area code. 

Set up that far from one another - they have no need to interfere with each other's responsibility. The linebacker has a clear path to the RB with zero need to get in the DB's way. 
If Strange were to stop shallow and pick that LB where he is making his way to the RB it's a probable flag on Strange.

(09-24-2024, 06:25 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2024, 06:19 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I get it, but the whole point is moot given the glaring difference in press coverage and off coverage spoiling the ability for the rub route to be effective.

If anything - when the man playing the rub route offensively (Strange here) is facing off coverage instead of press coverage, they should alter the wheel to a curl or shallow cross with a call at the LOS.

It doesn't matter if Strange's guy is playing off. Strange break was way too late to give ETN room to be open. 

Even if Strange's guy switches to ETN, ETN would still have been open to get some yards on the play.

The corner playing off-coverage absolutely plays a role in our play not being an effective rub-route/pick-play.

Strange does break off too late or perhaps his route extends further up field before he cuts inwards, but I wonder if this was actually a designed pick-play. If it was, it's not designed well - but the corner on Strange is playing off so some type of adjustment/hot route has to be made pre-snap.

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(09-24-2024, 06:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2024, 06:25 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn't matter if Strange's guy is playing off. Strange break was way too late to give ETN room to be open. 

Even if Strange's guy switches to ETN, ETN would still have been open to get some yards on the play.

Oh it matters a ton. 

If one guy is supposed to influence two different defenders to cancel each other - those two guys need to have a reason to be in the same damn area code. 

Set up that far from one another - they have no need to interfere with each other's responsibility. The linebacker has a clear path to the RB with zero need to get in the DB's way. 
If Strange were to stop shallow and pick that LB where he is making his way to the RB it's a probable flag on Strange.

^ This.

I think the point is that the play design was trash. Pick route or no pick rout, the concept was to get ETN on a wheel rout on a DB that is waiting for it.

Pause the video at 2:11. Look how empty the middle of the field is. In 2022 there was always a crosser, usually our TE that would be streaking into that open space. We don't do any route concepts that expose the middle of the hash marks. It's been just not good for so long now.

I just don't know why we don't always have some guy coming into the middle of the field to give Trevor an easy pass and catch. It's just bad offensive coaching.

(09-24-2024, 06:56 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I think the point is that the play design was trash.  Pick route or no pick rout, the concept was to get ETN on a wheel rout on a DB that is waiting for it.

Pause the video at 2:11.  Look how empty the middle of the field is.  In 2022 there was always a crosser, usually our TE that would be streaking into that open space.  We don't do any route concepts that expose the middle of the hash marks.  It's been just not good for so long now. 

I just don't know why we don't always have some guy coming into the middle of the field to give Trevor an easy pass and catch.  It's just bad offensive coaching.

Yes, I specifically called this out in the game thread last night how we had no crossers in the middle.

We can't have a designated player, in this case Engram, be the player that ONLY runs intermediate routes in the middle of the field - because if he goes down, like he did, we're S.O.L.

I haven't watched the all-22 tapes of our games but I'd venture to say that we do have some routes that penetrate the middle of the defense. Those plays are riddled with miscues and mishaps, like the egregious interception last night or multiple sacks.

(09-24-2024, 06:56 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I think the point is that the play design was trash.  Pick route or no pick rout, the concept was to get ETN on a wheel rout on a DB that is waiting for it.

Pause the video at 2:11.  Look how empty the middle of the field is.  In 2022 there was always a crosser, usually our TE that would be streaking into that open space.  We don't do any route concepts that expose the middle of the hash marks.  It's been just not good for so long now. 

I just don't know why we don't always have some guy coming into the middle of the field to give Trevor an easy pass and catch.  It's just bad offensive coaching.

It's not a DB it's a linebacker for chrissakes,  and ETN beats those guys like a drum on routes pretty regularly when given the chance. Getting ETN one-on-one with a LB is ALWAYS a good idea and not a bad design. 

This particular LB took a great angle and had good coverage on the play. 

Plus, like I said, when the DB on the TE played off instead of press, it spoiled the chance of the LB being slowed down by a legal pick. 

That's where the critique of the play should start. 
There should have been an audible at the line when they saw Strange's guy playing off - something to alert ETN into a come-back, curl, crosser, back shoulder, whatever, anything but a straight wheel to the corner of the EZ. 

The shallow cross would be my choice and it also suits your desire for more stuff int the middle of the field. 
Even though you always conveniently ignore what they already run there so you can complain that it never happens.

(09-24-2024, 07:14 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2024, 06:56 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I think the point is that the play design was trash.  Pick route or no pick rout, the concept was to get ETN on a wheel rout on a DB that is waiting for it.

Pause the video at 2:11.  Look how empty the middle of the field is.  In 2022 there was always a crosser, usually our TE that would be streaking into that open space.  We don't do any route concepts that expose the middle of the hash marks.  It's been just not good for so long now. 

I just don't know why we don't always have some guy coming into the middle of the field to give Trevor an easy pass and catch.  It's just bad offensive coaching.

 ETN beats those guys like a drum on routes pretty regularly when given the chance. 

And yet he didn't on this terrible play design.

You can hypothetical all you want.  Maybe just one time accept what actually happend...