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(08-30-2024, 06:26 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-30-2024, 06:01 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Run run pass. Same sequence every drive from what I heard. I love our coach currently, but I don’t think it’s great when you have a super power, and you don’t use it. He is supposed to be an offensive guru, but he doesn’t want to call plays. I think he should follow The excellent example of superbowl coach Andy Reid. IMO

Ps if this is a do or die year, I’d want to be driving and not a passenger.

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That’s like being in a horrible relationship and assuming you will do it again. I do think us jags fans are so relieved to have a lot better product, so we should not take that for granted.

I thought I read somewhere not too long ago, where, Doug was asked about resuming play calling duties, or, who would be calling the plays. There's a good chance he'll resume full time play calling duties if the offense struggles and stalls like it did last year. With or without personnel challenges.

He'll have to take the reigns at some point if they start getting into a slump that results in a 2 - 4 start. Just like Caldwell last year, it won't be Doug getting canned in the off season. He'll get rid of Taylor and more than likely Rauscher if the offense can't get it done in the trenches.

This speculation about the OC the last year s just wild. In Philliy Doug wanted to keep Mike Groh but Roseman and Lurie forced his hand to fire him and made him publicly walk back his statement that Groh was staying, a huge embarrassment. He took over play calling and then they demanded he give that up and hire an OC (that they wanted, not Doug's choice). He fired back by naming Press Taylor and saying he was keeping the play sheet and they didn't like that so he resigned. All this nonsense here about Doug not calling plays here and ultimately he left Philly because he WOULDN'T give it up. Then people attribute all kinds of stupidness to his motivations about Taylor, it's comical. The guy does what Doug wants with Doug's offense, if he doesn't Doug changes it. That people really think Pederson is oblivious to the offense here is just ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as people saying it's "win or else" this year for him.

Not hot. If the team somehow collapsed and finished with < 7 wins though, I think it would be warming up pretty quickly during the offseason.

(08-30-2024, 09:27 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]Not hot. If the team somehow collapsed and finished with < 7 wins though, I think it would be warming up pretty quickly during the offseason.

It depends on how that < 7 occurs though. I won't say the scary part out loud as to why they could lose more than 7 games. Don't want that kind of bad juju with the season opener just around the corner. 

But, if it happened that way? I think he's still safe. If the roster is completely healthy and they crumble that bad? Yeah, it's a fair statement. I still think he puts Rauscher and Taylor on the chopping block though before he gets outright canned.

We won't have to worry about any of that though. We're winning at least 11 games, advancing to at least the AFC Championship game, and, Press Taylor will move onto become the next headcoach of the Chicago Bears after they realize Eberflus is not good enough and they need a stronger presence offensively for Caleb Williams.

(08-30-2024, 08:53 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-30-2024, 06:26 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I thought I read somewhere not too long ago, where, Doug was asked about resuming play calling duties, or, who would be calling the plays. There's a good chance he'll resume full time play calling duties if the offense struggles and stalls like it did last year. With or without personnel challenges.

He'll have to take the reigns at some point if they start getting into a slump that results in a 2 - 4 start. Just like Caldwell last year, it won't be Doug getting canned in the off season. He'll get rid of Taylor and more than likely Rauscher if the offense can't get it done in the trenches.

This speculation about the OC the last year s just wild. In Philliy Doug wanted to keep Mike Groh but Roseman and Lurie forced his hand to fire him and made him publicly walk back his statement that Groh was staying, a huge embarrassment. He took over play calling and then they demanded he give that up and hire an OC (that they wanted, not Doug's choice). He fired back by naming Press Taylor and saying he was keeping the play sheet and they didn't like that so he resigned. All this nonsense here about Doug not calling plays here and ultimately he left Philly because he WOULDN'T give it up. Then people attribute all kinds of stupidness to his motivations about Taylor, it's comical. The guy does what Doug wants with Doug's offense, if he doesn't Doug changes it. That people really think Pederson is oblivious to the offense here is just ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as people saying it's "win or else" this year for him.

Bingo.

Doug has the play sheet in his hands and headset on for every game. He's listening and chiming in on every play that is called. Him and Press put the game plan together every week.

I don't understand why people seem to think Press is just going rogue, calling his own stuff and doing whatever he wants. He is calling exactly what DOUG and him put together for that week.

(08-30-2024, 05:36 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-30-2024, 08:53 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]This speculation about the OC the last year s just wild. In Philliy Doug wanted to keep Mike Groh but Roseman and Lurie forced his hand to fire him and made him publicly walk back his statement that Groh was staying, a huge embarrassment. He took over play calling and then they demanded he give that up and hire an OC (that they wanted, not Doug's choice). He fired back by naming Press Taylor and saying he was keeping the play sheet and they didn't like that so he resigned. All this nonsense here about Doug not calling plays here and ultimately he left Philly because he WOULDN'T give it up. Then people attribute all kinds of stupidness to his motivations about Taylor, it's comical. The guy does what Doug wants with Doug's offense, if he doesn't Doug changes it. That people really think Pederson is oblivious to the offense here is just ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as people saying it's "win or else" this year for him.

Bingo.

Doug has the play sheet in his hands and headset on for every game. He's listening and chiming in on every play that is called. Him and Press put the game plan together every week.

I don't understand why people seem to think Press is just going rogue, calling his own stuff and doing whatever he wants. He is calling exactly what DOUG and him put together for that week.

Shakespeare"s 17th play comes to mind. 

folks love a scapegoat - and the OC is always low-hanging fruit to anyone with questionable football IQ 

Press has always been on a leash to a large extent "running" Pederson's offense. 
 In his presser earlier this week he was asked if he'd call plays from the sideline or the press box. His response:
"I'll do whatever coach wants me to do."

That sums it up well.

Not very.

If he was to sit down in it ,it would be super hot with this heat with this hot weather.    


its even hot here in North carolina

(08-30-2024, 07:49 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-29-2024, 08:25 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Khan hung onto Gus for 4 seasons with a 14-48 record.

Doug is 18-16, with a playoff win under his belt already.

That seat is very cold. He's good.

0 degrees Kelvin levels of cold.

This is just ignorant podcasters with nothing to talk about throwing dook against the wall. You point makes that crystal clear.

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(08-30-2024, 04:58 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s cold, but things change quick in the NFL. Coughlin got ran outta town after all he did.

(deservedly so, on both occasions.)

Weaver said he shouldn’t have.

(08-31-2024, 06:50 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-30-2024, 07:49 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]0 degrees Kelvin levels of cold.

This is just ignorant podcasters with nothing to talk about throwing dook against the wall. You point makes that crystal clear.

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(deservedly so, on both occasions.)

Weaver said he shouldn’t have.

Firing Coughlin was the biggest mistake in Franchise history. He should have been treated here the same way Pittsburgh treated Bill Cowher. The man provided your brand new franchise in a small market with four straight years of impressive seasons and appearances. He was eventually going to hit a little slump, just like Cowher did between 1998 - 2000. Pittsburgh's patience eventually paid off and they were back to winning games in no time and finally won a Superbowl. 

You don't give up on winners or people of Coughlin's caliber. I am sorry. He had it right for awhile. There should have been a better push from Weaver to get Coughlin help in the personnel department. I understand he wanted control of the roster, and that was what really did him in with the salary cap.

However, again, the fact that he went onto win two Superbowl's, against, let's face it, two of the more impressive Patriot's teams and better Brady individual season's? He was the right guy for the job all along. We [BLEEP] up. We really did. It's something that I think about off and on from time to time. 

The whole situation in 2017, again, he had it half right and wrong. He proved he's a better coach than general manager or operations leader. His biggest blunder was extending Bortles before taking care of the defense and defenders that carried the team in 2017. His other biggest blunder was selecting Fournette over McCaffrey and Watson. The other blunder being Taven Bryan over Lamar Jackson.

But, when you think you have your QB? You think you have your QB. [BLEEP] happens. A lot of teams make that mistake. At any rate. Jacksonville has spent years chasing his legacy that he left mark on us all back in the 90's. We're somewhat getting back to that level of consistency with Pederson. We'll see if he can get it back on track in 2024. I will say this, as many have already hinted at in this thread.

Getting rid of Pederson or thinking he's on a hot seat after the years and years of nonsense that Khan tolerated with Bradley and Caldwell? Pederson's [BLEEP] is far from hot with his seat. He's safe. Probably through the remainder of this decade at the minimum if he chooses to stay here.

The only thing that would get him fired this year is if the team players stop believing in him, and they result with 5 or less wins.

(09-01-2024, 06:25 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]The only thing that would get him fired this year is if the team players stop believing in him, and they result with 5 or less wins.

As long these lines it’s all going to depend on how it looks… we go 9-8 but are competitive in every game and Trevor, D, and O line show progress he should be good.

If however Trevor still remains turnover prone . We don’t have a run game, and we miss the playoffs with multiple blow outs on the back half against say the jets and packers at home. And lose multiple games against clots or tacks in embarrassing fashion I think there is a problem that will be addressed in some form or fashion. Khan will reason and rightly so that we have spent too much money and invested too much into the current state of the franchise for something like that to happen.

(08-31-2024, 07:03 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-31-2024, 06:50 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Weaver said he shouldn’t have.

Firing Coughlin was the biggest mistake in Franchise history. He should have been treated here the same way Pittsburgh treated Bill Cowher. The man provided your brand new franchise in a small market with four straight years of impressive seasons and appearances. He was eventually going to hit a little slump, just like Cowher did between 1998 - 2000. Pittsburgh's patience eventually paid off and they were back to winning games in no time and finally won a Superbowl. 

You don't give up on winners or people of Coughlin's caliber. I am sorry. He had it right for awhile. There should have been a better push from Weaver to get Coughlin help in the personnel department. I understand he wanted control of the roster, and that was what really did him in with the salary cap.

However, again, the fact that he went onto win two Superbowl's, against, let's face it, two of the more impressive Patriot's teams and better Brady individual season's? He was the right guy for the job all along. We [BLEEP] up. We really did. It's something that I think about off and on from time to time. 

The whole situation in 2017, again, he had it half right and wrong. He proved he's a better coach than general manager or operations leader. His biggest blunder was extending Bortles before taking care of the defense and defenders that carried the team in 2017. His other biggest blunder was selecting Fournette over McCaffrey and Watson. The other blunder being Taven Bryan over Lamar Jackson.

But, when you think you have your QB? You think you have your QB. [BLEEP] happens. A lot of teams make that mistake. At any rate. Jacksonville has spent years chasing his legacy that he left mark on us all back in the 90's. We're somewhat getting back to that level of consistency with Pederson. We'll see if he can get it back on track in 2024. I will say this, as many have already hinted at in this thread.

Getting rid of Pederson or thinking he's on a hot seat after the years and years of nonsense that Khan tolerated with Bradley and Caldwell? Pederson's [BLEEP] is far from hot with his seat. He's safe. Probably through the remainder of this decade at the minimum if he chooses to stay here.

You hit the nail right on the head. One of, if not the biggest mistake in franchise history. That 1999 season was amazing when we went 14-2. Went into the playoffs and blowed the top off against the Dolphins, in front of a crowd of about 70,000. 

The 1996 season was magical. Going up to Buffalo and big Clyde Simmons got it kick-started. Natrone Means busted loose for 62 yards. Went to Denver the following week for one of the biggest upsets in NFL history. Went to New England and was on the goal line, in position to tie the score up at 13-13 in the 4th quarter. 

The 1997 is when Jimmy and Keenan started wrecking the league. And then 1998 we got Taylor and Darius. Taylor dazzled that entire season. 

It all started with Tom Coughlin. 

I went back and looked at the 2000 season, and we were very close to making the playoffs for the 5th straight season. One game that sticks out in my mind was the Bengals game in the snow, Hollis slipped on a missed FG, and we let Peter Warrick return a punt for a TD. I think Taylor averaged 107 rushing yards for the season. 

Coughlin left Jax and went on to win 2 Super Bowls against the best Football Dynasty of all-time in the Patriots.

(09-02-2024, 12:14 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-31-2024, 07:03 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Firing Coughlin was the biggest mistake in Franchise history. He should have been treated here the same way Pittsburgh treated Bill Cowher. The man provided your brand new franchise in a small market with four straight years of impressive seasons and appearances. He was eventually going to hit a little slump, just like Cowher did between 1998 - 2000. Pittsburgh's patience eventually paid off and they were back to winning games in no time and finally won a Superbowl. 

You don't give up on winners or people of Coughlin's caliber. I am sorry. He had it right for awhile. There should have been a better push from Weaver to get Coughlin help in the personnel department. I understand he wanted control of the roster, and that was what really did him in with the salary cap.

However, again, the fact that he went onto win two Superbowl's, against, let's face it, two of the more impressive Patriot's teams and better Brady individual season's? He was the right guy for the job all along. We [BLEEP] up. We really did. It's something that I think about off and on from time to time. 

The whole situation in 2017, again, he had it half right and wrong. He proved he's a better coach than general manager or operations leader. His biggest blunder was extending Bortles before taking care of the defense and defenders that carried the team in 2017. His other biggest blunder was selecting Fournette over McCaffrey and Watson. The other blunder being Taven Bryan over Lamar Jackson.

But, when you think you have your QB? You think you have your QB. [BLEEP] happens. A lot of teams make that mistake. At any rate. Jacksonville has spent years chasing his legacy that he left mark on us all back in the 90's. We're somewhat getting back to that level of consistency with Pederson. We'll see if he can get it back on track in 2024. I will say this, as many have already hinted at in this thread.

Getting rid of Pederson or thinking he's on a hot seat after the years and years of nonsense that Khan tolerated with Bradley and Caldwell? Pederson's [BLEEP] is far from hot with his seat. He's safe. Probably through the remainder of this decade at the minimum if he chooses to stay here.

You hit the nail right on the head. One of, if not the biggest mistake in franchise history. That 1999 season was amazing when we went 14-2. Went into the playoffs and blowed the top off against the Dolphins, in front of a crowd of about 70,000. 

The 1996 season was magical. Going up to Buffalo and big Clyde Simmons got it kick-started. Natrone Means busted loose for 62 yards. Went to Denver the following week for one of the biggest upsets in NFL history. Went to New England and was on the goal line, in position to tie the score up at 13-13 in the 4th quarter. 

The 1997 is when Jimmy and Keenan started wrecking the league. And then 1998 we got Taylor and Darius. Taylor dazzled that entire season. 

It all started with Tom Coughlin. 

I went back and looked at the 2000 season, and we were very close to making the playoffs for the 5th straight season. One game that sticks out in my mind was the Bengals game in the snow, Hollis slipped on a missed FG, and we let Peter Warrick return a punt for a TD. I think Taylor averaged 107 rushing yards for the season. 

Coughlin left Jax and went on to win 2 Super Bowls against the best Football Dynasty of all-time in the Patriots.

I've heard a lot of interviews/reports of Coughlin's time with the Giants. It took the owner John Mara and some well respected vets including Strahan going and convincing him to change some of his ways to finally get success in NY. But when he returned to Jacksonville as EVP, some of those same tendencies reverted back and he had no one to basically confront him and tell him ease up. I'm not sure there would have been anyone to convince him to ease up he had just staying with Jacksonville throughout the 00's and 10's.

(09-02-2024, 01:05 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-02-2024, 12:14 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]You hit the nail right on the head. One of, if not the biggest mistake in franchise history. That 1999 season was amazing when we went 14-2. Went into the playoffs and blowed the top off against the Dolphins, in front of a crowd of about 70,000. 

The 1996 season was magical. Going up to Buffalo and big Clyde Simmons got it kick-started. Natrone Means busted loose for 62 yards. Went to Denver the following week for one of the biggest upsets in NFL history. Went to New England and was on the goal line, in position to tie the score up at 13-13 in the 4th quarter. 

The 1997 is when Jimmy and Keenan started wrecking the league. And then 1998 we got Taylor and Darius. Taylor dazzled that entire season. 

It all started with Tom Coughlin. 

I went back and looked at the 2000 season, and we were very close to making the playoffs for the 5th straight season. One game that sticks out in my mind was the Bengals game in the snow, Hollis slipped on a missed FG, and we let Peter Warrick return a punt for a TD. I think Taylor averaged 107 rushing yards for the season. 

Coughlin left Jax and went on to win 2 Super Bowls against the best Football Dynasty of all-time in the Patriots.

I've heard a lot of interviews/reports of Coughlin's time with the Giants. It took the owner John Mara and some well respected vets including Strahan going and convincing him to change some of his ways to finally get success in NY. But when he returned to Jacksonville as EVP, some of those same tendencies reverted back and he had no one to basically confront him and tell him ease up. I'm not sure there would have been anyone to convince him to ease up he had just staying with Jacksonville throughout the 00's and 10's.

Yup those Giants teams had well respected Vets step up and basically told Coughlin to cut the [BLEEP], because he was losing that team otherwise. That's what won them.

The 2017 Jags team banded together because of their dislike for the way Coughlin was running things. That team was good (mainly the Defense, historically great) and won in spite of Coughlin. Their dislike for Coughlin helped bond that team in a way for that year. The players on that team even said it themselves.

Then things fell apart because he wanted to overpay a trash [BLEEP] Nick Foles and tried to low ball every other talented player we had on that roster.

(09-02-2024, 01:05 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-02-2024, 12:14 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]You hit the nail right on the head. One of, if not the biggest mistake in franchise history. That 1999 season was amazing when we went 14-2. Went into the playoffs and blowed the top off against the Dolphins, in front of a crowd of about 70,000. 

The 1996 season was magical. Going up to Buffalo and big Clyde Simmons got it kick-started. Natrone Means busted loose for 62 yards. Went to Denver the following week for one of the biggest upsets in NFL history. Went to New England and was on the goal line, in position to tie the score up at 13-13 in the 4th quarter. 

The 1997 is when Jimmy and Keenan started wrecking the league. And then 1998 we got Taylor and Darius. Taylor dazzled that entire season. 

It all started with Tom Coughlin. 

I went back and looked at the 2000 season, and we were very close to making the playoffs for the 5th straight season. One game that sticks out in my mind was the Bengals game in the snow, Hollis slipped on a missed FG, and we let Peter Warrick return a punt for a TD. I think Taylor averaged 107 rushing yards for the season. 

Coughlin left Jax and went on to win 2 Super Bowls against the best Football Dynasty of all-time in the Patriots.

I've heard a lot of interviews/reports of Coughlin's time with the Giants. It took the owner John Mara and some well respected vets including Strahan going and convincing him to change some of his ways to finally get success in NY. But when he returned to Jacksonville as EVP, some of those same tendencies reverted back and he had no one to basically confront him and tell him ease up. I'm not sure there would have been anyone to convince him to ease up he had just staying with Jacksonville throughout the 00's and 10's.

I remain strictly in the camp that TC earned his walking papers in Jax and forced Weaver's hand by being too dictatorial in his control of HC, OC, and GM duties. (not to even mention the alienation of the locker room) 

His inflexibility and abject refusal to modernize his approach were not only his downfall in Duval, but damn near got him fired twice in NY. And I mean, the decision was made and he held on by a thread after multiple interventions. 

It was the large market, more controlling owner, and a handful of influential A-List players that forced him to make the adaptations in NY that secured his tenure and led to more success. 

Weaver was unable to make TC see the light here and therefore had to send him packing. Weaver's hands were tied IMO, and he did the right thing. 

Coughlin's second turn in Jax cemented this opinion for me.

Curiously enough, upon selling the team, Weaver was asked what his biggest regret was as an owner. He said it was submitting to fan pressure to fire Coughlin. Whether that regret was rooted in his desire to give Coughlin another season, or looking weak as the CEO, was never clarified.

(09-02-2024, 09:11 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Curiously enough, upon selling the team, Weaver was asked what his biggest regret was as an owner. He said it was submitting to fan pressure to fire Coughlin. Whether that regret was rooted in his desire to give Coughlin another season, or looking weak as the CEO, was never clarified.

Probably both. This fanbase was spoiled early and took it for granted. We've been chasing Coughlin's ghost of success now since 2003. It took this team a staggering 18 years to match what he accomplished in 4 straight years. 

1996: 9 - 7 record with a loss in the Conference Title
1997: 11 - 5 record with a loss in the Wildcard 
1998: 11 - 5 record with a loss in the Divisional 
1999: 14 - 2 record with a loss in the Conference Title

2005: 12 -  4 record with a loss in the Wildcard
2007: 11 -  5 record with a loss in the Divisional
2017: 10 - 6 record with a loss in the Conference Title (Coughlin was back in the building for this, hate him or love him, he helped get this [BLEEP] show back in a play-off spot after a 10 year lull of absolute garbage)
2022: 9 - 8 record with a loss in the Divisional

5/10. Would take something disastrous for him to be fired. He has more job security than most NFL coaches but it is a meat grinder of an occupation.

(09-02-2024, 02:45 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-02-2024, 01:05 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I've heard a lot of interviews/reports of Coughlin's time with the Giants. It took the owner John Mara and some well respected vets including Strahan going and convincing him to change some of his ways to finally get success in NY. But when he returned to Jacksonville as EVP, some of those same tendencies reverted back and he had no one to basically confront him and tell him ease up. I'm not sure there would have been anyone to convince him to ease up he had just staying with Jacksonville throughout the 00's and 10's.

I remain strictly in the camp that TC earned his walking papers in Jax and forced Weaver's hand by being too dictatorial in his control of HC, OC, and GM duties. (not to even mention the alienation of the locker room) 

His inflexibility and abject refusal to modernize his approach were not only his downfall in Duval, but damn near got him fired twice in NY. And I mean, the decision was made and he held on by a thread after multiple interventions. 

It was the large market, more controlling owner, and a handful of influential A-List players that forced him to make the adaptations in NY that secured his tenure and led to more success. 

Weaver was unable to make TC see the light here and therefore had to send him packing. Weaver's hands were tied IMO, and he did the right thing. 

Coughlin's second turn in Jax cemented this opinion for me.

You've all made great points about Coughlin. One other I'd add was the difficulty he got into with the cap. We get pretty lucky being able to put the roster together we did with the expansion draft and Coughlin did well improving it over the next few years but when we had to start cutting players and letting them go like Keenan, the fact the team were not doing as well, and fan favourites were leaving created a negative spiral that he couldn't turn around. He also got unlucky. I think most would have kept Jimmy over Keenan (they were both great) but then Jimmy's off field issues made that look the wrong move.

If you haven't watched it, try to find the second Giants America's Game video online. It really shows how guys like Strahan completely changed their view on Coughlin by him making just a few changes. Like telling the team they were doing some training and taking them all bowling.