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(09-16-2024, 04:45 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]The OL is terrible, particularly at pass pro. Play calling is questionable and the attention to detail is appalling. Did I miss anything? ;-)

Most alarming was how flummoxed Doug seemed at his press conference. I don’t think he knows how to fix things. Beyond the OL, I think we’re more talented than the two teams we’ve just lost to.

Very much this. It’s difficult to use that talent when the mechanics of the play are blown 50 ms after the snap because the OL can’t do their part.

The OL has been a glaring problem for years yet the man who’s supposed to address it did so with textbook half-assery. He signed an aging free agent while letting solid long-term talent slide off the draft board. 

I can’t prove it but I also think there’s an unhealthy relationship between Baalke and Pederson. They present the image of unity but I’m not so sure. Did Doug peak with the Eagles or has Baalke tied his hands with this crappy O line? I don’t know. What we’re witnessing is not the makings of an organization on the cusp of success if just a few small issues can be ironed out. What is on display is deep-seated organizational dysfunction. Good team organizations, with the current personnel in place, don’t go into 8 and 9 game slides like this. Something up top needs to change, and it needs to change fast if any modicum of success is to be salvaged from this season.
Tired of the excuses with you guys. Truly tired. I watched the Bears and Tinhorns last night. Both QBs were routinely under pressure and/or hit, hurried or sacked.

Still saw more production and creativity from the both of them.

Mayfield was sacked 4.5 times yesterday by Hutchinson. Still made plays. Still managed 20 points.

Burrow was hit 7x yesterday, sacked 3x. Still managed 25 points. Took the refs on a ticky tacky PI to set KC up for the GW FG after Mahomes was hit 6x, threw 2 INT's and was sacked 2 or 3 times.

We're paying a ton of money on offense for them to get creative, call plays and score points. Stop with the BS yall.

Vikings beat the 49ers yesterday with Sam [BLEEP] Darnold at QB. Green Bay beat the clots yesterday with Malik [BLEEP] Willis. The Raiders came back and beat the Ravens on the road.

At some point. The argument over Players Vs. Playcaller needs to be looked at as both being the issue. However, when its the same predictable calls with the same predictable outcome?

I am not getting mad at the driver anymore when the wingman is giving [BLEEP] directions and doesn't know what the [BLEEP] he's doing neither.



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Just like the play clock issues yesterday, twice, on the same drive, where two timeouts had to be burned early to only result in 3 points. You have Pederson and Taylor, who have won a Super Bowl together. You have Mike McCoy as a QB's coach over there, they're all on the sideline as a trio now. McCoy was a solid HC for a few years with the Chargers.

Why are they still this inept in processing play information to the QB and why are we burning so much time pre snap? If he's also better with up tempo and gets into a rhythm when you stay on the field and keep the defense on it's heels? DO THAT, DO THAT MORE. If it works, it works. Again, the inconsistency with Doug. You were gung [BLEEP] ho on the road last week against the Dolphins on 4th down.

You watched Stefanski go 3/3 on 4th downs yesterday, you didn't take ONE stab at a 4th down? IN YOUR OWN [BLEEP] REDZONE? Can't even consistently gamble for [BLEEP]'s sake!
(09-16-2024, 05:26 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-16-2024, 04:45 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]The OL is terrible, particularly at pass pro. Play calling is questionable and the attention to detail is appalling. Did I miss anything? ;-)

Most alarming was how flummoxed Doug seemed at his press conference. I don’t think he knows how to fix things. Beyond the OL, I think we’re more talented than the two teams we’ve just lost to.

Very much this. It’s difficult to use that talent when the mechanics of the play are blown 50 ms after the snap because the OL can’t do their part.

The OL has been a glaring problem for years yet the man who’s supposed to address it did so with textbook half-assery. He signed an aging free agent while letting solid long-term talent slide off the draft board. 

I can’t prove it but I also think there’s an unhealthy relationship between Baalke and Pederson. They present the image of unity but I’m not so sure. Did Doug peak with the Eagles or has Baalke tied his hands with this crappy O line? I don’t know. What we’re witnessing is not the makings of an organization on the cusp of success if just a few small issues can be ironed out. What is on display is deep-seated organizational dysfunction. Good team organizations, with the current personnel in place, don’t go into 8 and 9 game slides like this. Something up top needs to change, and it needs to change fast if any modicum of success is to be salvaged from this season.

This is why, and always why, the “halfway” rebuilds that Khan does (new coach but not new outside GM, new GM not coach) won’t work. They didn’t choose their marriage.

(09-16-2024, 07:23 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Just like the play clock issues yesterday, twice, on the same drive, where two timeouts had to be burned early to only result in 3 points. You have Pederson and Taylor, who have won a Super Bowl together. You have Mike McCoy as a QB's coach over there, they're all on the sideline as a trio now. McCoy was a solid HC for a few years with the Chargers.

Why are they still this inept in processing play information to the QB and why are we burning so much time pre snap? If he's also better with up tempo and gets into a rhythm when you stay on the field and keep the defense on it's heels? DO THAT, DO THAT MORE. If it works, it works. Again, the inconsistency with Doug. You were gung [BLEEP] ho on the road last week against the Dolphins on 4th down.

You watched Stefanski go 3/3 on 4th downs yesterday, you didn't take ONE stab at a 4th down? IN YOUR OWN [BLEEP] REDZONE? Can't even consistently gamble for [BLEEP]'s sake!

This; everyone wants to blame the line, but even the announcers called them out at the end of the first half; with times out remaining, they could have used that 30 seconds to try and at least get a FG.
(09-16-2024, 07:23 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Just like the play clock issues yesterday, twice, on the same drive, where two timeouts had to be burned early to only result in 3 points. You have Pederson and Taylor, who have won a Super Bowl together. You have Mike McCoy as a QB's coach over there, they're all on the sideline as a trio now. McCoy was a solid HC for a few years with the Chargers.

Why are they still this inept in processing play information to the QB and why are we burning so much time pre snap? If he's also better with up tempo and gets into a rhythm when you stay on the field and keep the defense on it's heels? DO THAT, DO THAT MORE. If it works, it works. Again, the inconsistency with Doug. You were gung [BLEEP] ho on the road last week against the Dolphins on 4th down.

You watched Stefanski go 3/3 on 4th downs yesterday, you didn't take ONE stab at a 4th down? IN YOUR OWN [BLEEP] REDZONE? Can't even consistently gamble for [BLEEP]'s sake!

The team feels like it's just phoning it in. No focus, no fire, no passion. Not sure what happened between now and middle of last year for all the focus and fire to just completely bottom out but it sure does happen a lot to this franchise.
(09-15-2024, 05:41 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Our Defense held Miami and Cleveland to 20 points or less.

Imagine being 0-2 based on that fact....

You're right, both losses at the final bell, but I don't see any killer instinct in this team. They are completely reactionary. When the pressure mounts, they wilt.

How many 3rd and 8s are met with a near-immediate sack? That safety yesterday? woof.  We don't have an identity. We don't have go-to plays or players that move chains, grab tuddies, or intimidate an offense on the other side of the ball. There's no cohesion. We need these close contests to start leaning the other way, if that's the way we're going to play. I don't know how they get it better, but we need actions over pep talks in a huddle.
(09-15-2024, 07:40 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Doug is a bad coach. He's done a great job here, especially when you consider what he walked into. My worry is there seem to be cracks appearing. The death moment for any HC is when you lose the locker room and by no means do I think Doug has, but it feels like there are rumbles. Would winning a few games quiet that down? Probably but something is feeling a little off at the moment.

The thing that cheesed me off (and Trevor, demonstrably), was the inability to get plays in or lined up timely when we were pushing to score. We wasted two times out to avoid delay penalties when we should have 5-6 easy call plays for situations like we were in that are automatic, get there, line up, and keep the D on their heels. That's a poor look for coaching and preparation.

It's not like the play clock changes once you get near the goal line, it's the same 25 we get when we're on our own 40 yard line. Those are newbie issues that should not plague a staff in their third year with a team that is primarly composed of veterans. That MUST improve.

(09-15-2024, 07:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We are one of the worst teams in the legue.

I won't go that far. We're not getting blown out. We've lost to two playoff caliber teams with late chances to win in both. We are disorganized, uninspired, and unambitious. We should not be a doormat, but we don't know how to not be a doormat. We need an alpha.
(09-16-2024, 07:23 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Just like the play clock issues yesterday, twice, on the same drive, where two timeouts had to be burned early to only result in 3 points. You have Pederson and Taylor, who have won a Super Bowl together. You have Mike McCoy as a QB's coach over there, they're all on the sideline as a trio now. McCoy was a solid HC for a few years with the Chargers.

Why are they still this inept in processing play information to the QB and why are we burning so much time pre snap? If he's also better with up tempo and gets into a rhythm when you stay on the field and keep the defense on it's heels? DO THAT, DO THAT MORE. If it works, it works. Again, the inconsistency with Doug. You were gung [BLEEP] ho on the road last week against the Dolphins on 4th down.

You watched Stefanski go 3/3 on 4th downs yesterday, you didn't take ONE stab at a 4th down? IN YOUR OWN [BLEEP] REDZONE? Can't even consistently gamble for [BLEEP]'s sake!

GET OUTTA MY HEAD
(09-16-2024, 07:55 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-16-2024, 07:23 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Just like the play clock issues yesterday, twice, on the same drive, where two timeouts had to be burned early to only result in 3 points. You have Pederson and Taylor, who have won a Super Bowl together. You have Mike McCoy as a QB's coach over there, they're all on the sideline as a trio now. McCoy was a solid HC for a few years with the Chargers.

Why are they still this inept in processing play information to the QB and why are we burning so much time pre snap? If he's also better with up tempo and gets into a rhythm when you stay on the field and keep the defense on it's heels? DO THAT, DO THAT MORE. If it works, it works. Again, the inconsistency with Doug. You were gung [BLEEP] ho on the road last week against the Dolphins on 4th down.

You watched Stefanski go 3/3 on 4th downs yesterday, you didn't take ONE stab at a 4th down? IN YOUR OWN [BLEEP] REDZONE? Can't even consistently gamble for [BLEEP]'s sake!

The team feels like it's just phoning it in. No focus, no fire, no passion. Not sure what happened between now and middle of last year for all the focus and fire to just completely bottom out but it sure does happen a lot to this franchise.

The kid who gets bullied at school really hates going to school, that's where the "fire and passion" went. Since the Big Bad 49rs showed everyone else how to bully this team last year every team they've played has done exactly the same thing, just swarm the LOS and punch them in the mouth. Baalke talked about it in the offseason, clearly fixing Pillow Fortner wasn't enough like most of us said it wouldn't be. I think it's time to put in Little and Tugboat at LT and RG respectively. The two old guys just aren't getting it done.
The offense hasn’t been the same since Jim Bob Cooter left. Who would’ve thought that the Cooter was the real mastermind behind the offense?
(09-16-2024, 08:34 AM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]The offense hasn’t been the same since Jim Bob Cooter left. Who would’ve thought that the Cooter was the real mastermind behind the offense?

You know, there's probably some truth to that as well. The passing game isn't the same and having that brain focusing on that one part of the game plan probably contributed greatly to its success at the time. Nick Holz was there last year but he's with the tittians now as their OC. They don't have a coordinator this year and that might be why it looks anemic.
If the Jags continue this anemic play, he's gone but he may not even be fired. He may just quit.

Jags will likely be 6 point dogs on MNF. Then it's onto the Texans who just had about 20+ pressures on Caleb Williams (Fun!).

Maybe a little win streak against the clots, bears and Pats.
(09-16-2024, 08:32 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-16-2024, 07:55 AM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]The team feels like it's just phoning it in. No focus, no fire, no passion. Not sure what happened between now and middle of last year for all the focus and fire to just completely bottom out but it sure does happen a lot to this franchise.

The kid who gets bullied at school really hates going to school, that's where the "fire and passion" went. Since the Big Bad 49rs showed everyone else how to bully this team last year every team they've played has done exactly the same thing, just swarm the LOS and punch them in the mouth. Baalke talked about it in the offseason, clearly fixing Pillow Fortner wasn't enough like most of us said it wouldn't be. I think it's time to put in Little and Tugboat at LT and RG respectively. The two old guys just aren't getting it done.

Agreed. There's only so many alternatives at this point. If it's not the players? It's the play caller. If it's not the play caller? It's the players. They have to keep getting creative and mixing it up somehow. Cleveland was using Zak Zinter yesterday as a 6th blocker at times. If that's what they had to do to keep Walker and Hines-Allen off of Watson enough to win a few drives? 

They made the collective decision throughout the week to install that into their gameplan. They overcame 10 penalties for 100 yards yesterday as a team. That's how bad they were personnel wise and depletion wise. Good teams plug and play. They find a way to keep chugging along. After only scoring 30 points in two games on our end? I don't think anybody is going to sit back and say, "Well, they're just changing things for the sake of changing things". Well, yeah, what else do you want them to do? 

(09-16-2024, 08:34 AM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]The offense hasn’t been the same since Jim Bob Cooter left. Who would’ve thought that the Cooter was the real mastermind behind the offense?

I don't know. It's a fair point. Something does seem different though. I don't know if it's just me, but, when I go back and I look at some of the best throws Trevor's had in the NFL, and the big play moments in the passing game, especially from 2022 and bits and pieces of the 2023 season? He's a lot better outside of the pocket at times. He's always struck me as a guy that wants to move, play loose with his legs to create and generate some very fun and exciting throws. They need to incorporate more of that into his game.

I really miss that element of the offense and I just don't see it or maybe I am just blind. It felt like we had more designed roll outs, designed QB sprints with layered concepts route wise to give Trevor a short, medium and high read option working from left to right or right to left. 

They're clearly missing something because whatever they've been doing since that loss to the 49ers last year has fundamentally [BLEEP] this whole team up conceptually. If you're getting bullied at the LOS, you have to outsmart them somehow and get more creative with the options and misdirection. 

I can tell you now, unless they make the play-off's and match their 2022 season's run? I want Baalke and Rauscher gone at the minimum and I want a complete overhaul and changing of the concept with the entire offensive line. I already have this narrative going in the college forum. Taking three offensive lineman within the first four to five selections. They have to start doing this in 2025 or they're going to continue to remain stuck.

That's been the key to Detroit's success. They kept drafting lineman after lineman up there and it's helped lift them out of the basement. Good teams build the trenches. We need to start adopting the same strategy. Adapt or die man. Right now we're dying. Fixing the offensive line will fix the foundation for sure. However, until we get to that point? You have to figure it out as a coaching staff, your QB has to play faster, the skill position players have to play more faster and the timing has to be better. These guys are like a group of blind men trying to pick out their favorite porno mag.
(09-16-2024, 08:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-16-2024, 08:34 AM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]The offense hasn’t been the same since Jim Bob Cooter left. Who would’ve thought that the Cooter was the real mastermind behind the offense?

You know, there's probably some truth to that as well. The passing game isn't the same and having that brain focusing on that one part of the game plan probably contributed greatly to its success at the time. Nick Holz was there last year but he's with the tittians now as their OC. They don't have a coordinator this year and that might be why it looks anemic.

The offense definitely had more balls when the Cooter was here. Probably regretting leaving in light of the QB he’s currently coaching.
Pederson has always had multiple offensive coaches, maybe offering JBC or Frank Reich an "Assistant Head Coach and Offensive Consultant" role would fill that gap.
Do you think the Jags can win a SB with Pederson?
(09-16-2024, 09:21 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think the Jags can win a SB with Pederson?

It’s not looking that way currently. He said himself that he doesn’t have the answers to fix the problems they’re having, so it’s hard for me to imagine the season will get any better before it really hits rock bottom.
(09-16-2024, 09:21 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think the Jags can win a SB with Pederson?

Right now? No. Until they can prove they're better than a middling football team and can win more than 10 games per season. I cannot buy into this narrative with him.
(09-16-2024, 09:21 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think the Jags can win a SB with Pederson?

Yes.

Baalke though? Leaning to no.

I'm not sure of the relationship or ownership of the roster building, but this team has needed to fix the offensive line for several seasons and they either make bad/lateral moves or no moves. Drafting is not Baalke's strength, pro personnel is, and that's handicapping what this team can accomplish long term IMO.
(09-16-2024, 09:21 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think the Jags can win a SB with Pederson?

Look, if he’s willing/able to put up with Baalke’s constant hissing and the little mice bones he coughs up after lunch then he’s honestly a great hire.
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