Quote:You disagree?
This is year 4 and the talent is there.
It's time to move forward and win some games. Put up or shut up time if you will.
Gotta keep that bar low man. Just get better every day. Set a new standard each year. We shouldn't even use the score or record as a measure, just how much effort and heart the guys give e'ry damn day.
Quote:Gotta keep that bar low man. Just get better every day. Set a new standard each year. We shouldn't even use the score or record as a measure, just how much effort and heart the guys give e'ry damn day.
So many people are going to be bummed if the Jaguars do well. Failure = I told you so. Hard to pass up.
Quote:So many people are going to be bummed if the Jaguars do well. Failure = I told you so. Hard to pass up.
I hope they do, but I don't expect they will.
Quote:I mean if they don't at least get to the super bowl we should publicly flog Mr. Khan and Caldwell. At the very minimals.
Yes because that's what we've all been saying, right? Come on, man. You're better than this. No need to do reductio ad absurdum to make your point. If you think that it is too early to set a minimum record as the bar, just say so.
This is it Gus, Dave did what he was paid to do, he's given you talent on both sides of the ball. Another crappy start to the season and you will be shown the door and our next coach (which will be many suitors) will inherit a talented roster.
Meanwhile, Tony and Shad Khan should give Dave a Extension.
i agree with dave, no matter what happens with gus. dave should be here. talent galore on this team.
Quote:i agree with dave, no matter what happens with gus. dave should be here. talent galore on this team.
I like both Gus and Dave...hope we have a banner year and both get extended!
Yep, IF this team underachieves it'll be on Gus.
While I agree, I'm not sure we can deny Gus' impact on young guys. They really seem to love him(more so than JDR) and he attracts talent with his infectious personality. Hearing Jack and Ramsey speak about Gus, and how Bortles often talks about Gus, it would be hard to cut a guy who has such an impact. That's why I'm really rooting for him. I know they don't like to put a # on it, but Gus has to at least get us a 7-9 - 9-7 season. There are no excuses with the talent we have.
Quote:This is it Gus, Dave did what he was paid to do, he's given you talent on both sides of the ball. Another crappy start to the season and you will be shown the door and our next coach (which will be many suitors) will inherit a talented roster.
Meanwhile, Tony and Shad Khan should give Dave a Extension.
Yup, this is the situation.
Quote:While I agree, I'm not sure we can deny Gus' impact on young guys. They really seem to love him(more so than JDR) and he attracts talent with his infectious personality. Hearing Jack and Ramsey speak about Gus, and how Bortles often talks about Gus, it would be hard to cut a guy who has such an impact. That's why I'm really rooting for him. I know they don't like to put a # on it, but Gus has to at least get us a 7-9 - 9-7 season. There are no excuses with the talent we have.
Every child loves fun uncle more than a taskmaster father. Gus is that fun uncle, and so far his results have matched that description. Taskmaster father Coughlin got real results, and it didn't take four seasons for it to happen.
How is the idea Gus is attracting talent still a thing around here, sure didn't work with Olivier Vernon, did it? You talking about Gearhart? Is that what you call "talent"?
If anyone has attracted talent it's been Khan with his generous wielding of a check signing pen.
Quote:Every child loves fun uncle more than a taskmaster father. Gus is that fun uncle, and so far his results have matched that description. Taskmaster father Coughlin got real results, and it didn't take four seasons for it to happen.
How is the idea Gus is attracting talent still a thing around here, sure didn't work with Olivier Vernon, did it? You talking about Gearhart? Is that what you call "talent"?
If anyone has attracted talent it's been Khan with his generous wielding of a check signing pen.
So, he's the fun uncle based on your experience in meeting rooms and practices where the fans and media aren't present, right?
Gotta love the Olivier Vernon thing. He wanted to play in NY. He made no bones about that when he hit free agency. Jacksonville wasn't eliminated from consideration because of coaching. It was eliminated because Jacksonville isn't NYC.
The big free agency acquisitions over the past 2 seasons (when the team has actually BEEN active in free agency) came here for a combination of reasons. Money was certainly one of the big reasons, but go listen to the interviews to find out what else motivated them to pick Jacksonville over other options. You'll no doubt be disappointed.
Quote:So, he's the fun uncle based on your experience in meeting rooms and practices where the fans and media aren't present, right?
Gotta love the Olivier Vernon thing. He wanted to play in NY. He made no bones about that when he hit free agency. Jacksonville wasn't eliminated from consideration because of coaching. It was eliminated because Jacksonville isn't NYC.
The big free agency acquisitions over the past 2 seasons (when the team has actually BEEN active in free agency) came here for a combination of reasons. Money was certainly one of the big reasons, but go listen to the interviews to find out what else motivated them to pick Jacksonville over other options. You'll no doubt be disappointed.
How about McCourty last year, then? Or Cobb? I thought that Gus was the guy attracting the big time talent. You can listen to those sweet lies about how guys wanted to play here because of something other than money if you want, but I don't take that stuff seriously.
Wiz kept his job after muffing shotgun snaps in I think 3 consecutive weeks. That's fun uncle stuff. I remember being completely up in arms after the 2nd week it happened.
Bowanko was always there and played well his rookie year. For Gus to have not made sure that the shotgun snapping situation was corrected after the 1st time it happened was concerning. 3 weeks in a row... And yes, the perception that Gus is a "fun uncle" can easily be argued as factual and have real life examples to cite.
It's time for Gus to step up and be a real head coach.
Quote:How about McCourty last year, then? Or Cobb? I thought that Gus was the guy attracting the big time talent. You can listen to those sweet lies about how guys wanted to play here because of something other than money if you want, but I don't take that stuff seriously.
Good for you.
Seriously, could you keep picking worse examples? Neither Cobb nor McCourty had any intention of leaving the teams they were on. In fact, McCourty re-signed with New England before free agency even began last year. Who the head coach was in those instances is completely irrelevant, and pretty ridiculous to even suggest as missed opportunities. You're embarrassing yourself.
Quote:Good for you.
Seriously, could you keep picking worse examples? Neither Cobb nor McCourty had any intention of leaving the teams they were on. Who the head coach was in those instances is completely irrelevant, and pretty ridiculous to even suggest as missed opportunities. You're embarrassing yourself.
I'm embarrassing myself? Goodness, you're the one that keeps saying Gus attracts players to the Jaguars, then in the next breath admitting that it's not the case at all. I know you're one that never let's go of a bone once you've made the mistake of biting into it, but maybe you should let this one go.
The Jaguars have had two major free agency splash signings during the Caldwell era, Julius Thomas and Malik Jackson, and both of them came for the money, though only Jackson was open enough to openly state it.
Quote:Every child loves fun uncle more than a taskmaster father. Gus is that fun uncle, and so far his results have matched that description. Taskmaster father Coughlin got real results, and it didn't take four seasons for it to happen.
How is the idea Gus is attracting talent still a thing around here, sure didn't work with Olivier Vernon, did it? You talking about Gearhart? Is that what you call "talent"?
If anyone has attracted talent it's been Khan with his generous wielding of a check signing pen.
This is hardly worth responding to...but i'll just say the proof will be the win loss record this coming season. We have had a talent deficiency here in Jax for some time now. That is no longer the case.
But if you are correct, and Gus Bradley is so bad, then that will bear itself out over the course of a losing season. It really could be that the guys they fielded last year are just as talented as their replacements, Dante Fowler, Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, Tashaun Gipson, and Malik Jackson, etc... But I think we all know the much more likely scenario - looking at the completed roster now, going forward - that we are going to be a winning franchise. With Gus. With Gus Bradley as the leader of the team.
Should be a fun year. I can't wait for the Pack to get here.
Quote:I'm embarrassing myself? Goodness, you're the one that keeps saying Gus attracts players to the Jaguars, then in the next breath admitting that it's not the case at all. I know you're one that never let's go of a bone once you've made the mistake of biting into it, but maybe you should let this one go.
The Jaguars have had two major free agency splash signings during the Caldwell era, Julius Thomas and Malik Jackson, and both of them came for the money, though only Jackson was open enough to openly state it.
Good young players don't come to bad teams for rings.
Quote:Wiz kept his job after muffing shotgun snaps in I think 3 consecutive weeks. That's fun uncle stuff. I remember being completely up in arms after the 2nd week it happened.
Bowanko was always there and played well his rookie year. For Gus to have not made sure that the shotgun snapping situation was corrected after the 1st time it happened was concerning. 3 weeks in a row... And yes, the perception that Gus is a "fun uncle" can easily be argued as factual and have real life examples to cite.
It's time for Gus to step up and be a real head coach.
You don't completely shuffle your offensive line mid-season because of a couple of muffed snaps (one of which arguably Bortles should have handled). The fact that he wasn't retained after his 1 year show me deal is a good enough indication of where Gus felt he was in the pecking order for the team.
Bowanko played okay his rookie year, but he wasn't able to win a starting spot. Wiz beat Bowanko out for the position after a pretty good competition. Maybe Bowanko comes back and earns the spot now, but the team seems to think at this point that Linder is the best option. So, if he couldn't beat out Wisniewski last year, and they're not talking about him as the starter in waiting at this point, you have to wonder why.
I don't think Gus is nearly the "fun uncle" some of you do. I've spoken to people who have access to the behind the scenes interactions, and he's not this pushover that apparently some of you believe him to be.
Quote:I'm embarrassing myself? Goodness, you're the one that keeps saying Gus attracts players to the Jaguars, then in the next breath admitting that it's not the case at all. I know you're one that never let's go of a bone once you've made the mistake of biting into it, but maybe you should let this one go.
The Jaguars have had two major free agency splash signings during the Caldwell era, Julius Thomas and Malik Jackson, and both of them came for the money, though only Jackson was open enough to openly state it.
Actually, what I said is that the free agents and even many of the guys we've landed in the draft all wanted to play here after spending time with Gus. Whether he was the motivating factor or not is irrelevant. He certainly wasn't deterring them from signing with the Jags.
And yes, when you toss out examples that are completely irrelevant, that's embarrassing. McCourty? Cobb? Neither was available to this team. Why not say the team missed out on landing Tom Brady before he signed his last contract extension or something along those lines? It's about as relevant.