Jacksonville Jaguars Fan Forums

Quote:Good young players don't come to bad teams for rings.

 

Young players don't make signing decisions "for rings" that I can ever recall, that's the domain of over the hill players trying to get one last contract.

Quote:This is hardly worth responding to...but i'll just say the proof will be the win loss record this coming season. We have had a talent deficiency here in Jax for some time now. That is no longer the case.

 

But if you are correct, and Gus Bradley is so bad, then that will bear itself out over the course of a losing season. It really could be that the guys they fielded last year are just as talented as their replacements, Dante Fowler, Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, Tashaun Gipson, and Malik Jackson, etc... But I think we all know the much more likely scenario - looking at the completed roster now, going forward - that we are going to be a winning franchise. With Gus. With Gus Bradley as the leader of the team.

 

Should be a fun year. I can't wait for the Pack to get here.

 

I tend to agree with all of this.  I don't think Gus is nearly as bad a head coach as the "experts" on the board do.  I think he's made the kinds of mistakes you'd expect a guy to make if he was probably plucked from the coordinator ranks a year or two too soon, but it's clear that he's learned from his mistakes, and that the team has never quit playing for him despite the fact that there has been a void of talent from the start with him.  This year should be a fun one because now he's got a roster that is going to be competitive, and a roster that has much better depth than in years past, so we can absorb some of the injuries that have plagued this team historically. 

 

The schedule isn't a pretty one, but I think the Jags will surprise a lot of folks this year with some of the unexpected wins.

Quote:Young players don't make signing decisions "for rings" that I can ever recall, that's the domain of over the hill players trying to get one last contract.

Exactly,so money is always going to be a big part of why they go to a team.

Quote:Actually, what I said is that the free agents and even many of the guys we've landed in the draft all wanted to play here after spending time with Gus.  Whether he was the motivating factor or not is irrelevant.  He certainly wasn't deterring them from signing with the Jags.

 

And yes, when you toss out examples that are completely irrelevant, that's embarrassing.  McCourty?  Cobb?  Neither was available to this team.  Why not say the team missed out on landing Tom Brady before he signed his last contract extension or something along those lines?  It's about as relevant.

 

I'm sure a lot of guys "want to play here" whether they've met Gus or not, of course playing for a guy that always has two scoops with sprinkles and a shoulder to cry on waiting for his guys after every loss might be appealing to them in the abstract, too.

Quote:I'm sure a lot of guys "want to play here" whether they've met Gus or not, of course playing for a guy that always has two scoops with sprinkles and a shoulder to cry on waiting for his guys after every loss might be appealing to them in the abstract, too.

Ah, the ice cream references.  The usual tact of someone who has run out of anything of value to offer to a discussion.

Quote:Exactly,so money is always going to be a big part of why they go to a team.

 

So we're in total agreement, then, having Gus as the head coach isn't some kind of advantage when it comes to signing quality free agents.

 

Glad we're clear and in agreement now.

Quote:So we're in total agreement, then, having Gus as the head coach isn't some kind of advantage when it comes to signing quality free agents.


Glad we're clear and in agreement now.

Having Gus as a head coach has helped us with some free agents,is it the sole reason why a good young player would come here? No obviously not,but it is a factor for some players that they have a player friendly coach.

Quote:So we're in total agreement, then, having Gus as the head coach isn't some kind of advantage when it comes to signing quality free agents.

 

Glad we're clear and in agreement now.

Nobody is claiming it's an advantage or that it was the primary reason.  Money is always going to be the motivating force, especially for guys coming off rookie contracts.  But, you're dismissing the fact that the players who have signed have indeed referenced that Gus was part of the appeal of coming here.  You dismiss that because it doesn't fit your narrative, and you portray yourself as if you actually know what kind of coach he is behind the scenes when you really don't.

Quote:Nobody is claiming it's an advantage or that it was the primary reason.  Money is always going to be the motivating force, especially for guys coming off rookie contracts.  But, you're dismissing the fact that the players who have signed have indeed referenced that Gus was part of the appeal of coming here.  You dismiss that because it doesn't fit your narrative, and you portray yourself as if you actually know what kind of coach he is behind the scenes. 

 

No, no narrative here, just telling it like it is. Like I said, guys will say things once they're signed, like how they like Gus or whatever, but liking the head coach is way overrated, and I can't think of a single guy that came to the Jaguars instead of going to another team because of how he feels about Gus.

 

The narrative has been all from people such as yourself regarding Gus and the imaginary advantages he bestows on the team by being here. As for what kind of coach Gus is behind the scenes I can't say that I've been in his meetings, but I've seen his results, and they're not special in any way at all. I know it doesn't fit your narrative, but personally I hope he shows I was wrong all along and the team actually succeeds this season.

It's just the perception FBT...  From fans on the outside lookin' in, it seems like Gus gives alot of passes when it come to accountability.  I've mentioned them before, and what's past is past.  It's my opinion that the "fun uncle" stigma is not drawn from thin air, but that there have been actual situations that perpetuate the perception.

 

Either way, at this point, I don't even care.  If we make the play-offs or at least Gus shows based on record that he's a legit coach all these critique I have placed on him, as well as others, will fall to the waste side.

 

I'm hoping that's the case.

Quote:No, no narrative here, just telling it like it is. Like I said, guys will say things once they're signed, like how they like Gus or whatever, but liking the head coach is way overrated, and I can't think of a single guy that came to the Jaguars instead of going to another team because of how he feels about Gus.

 

The narrative has been all from people such as yourself regarding Gus and the imaginary advantages he bestows on the team by being here. As for what kind of coach Gus is behind the scenes I can't say that I've been in his meetings, but I've seen his results, and they're not special in any way at all. I know it doesn't fit your narrative, but personally I hope he shows I was wrong all along and the team actually succeeds this season.

 

Yeah, there's definitely a narrative there whether you want to admit it or not.  You're one of the "anybody but Gus" mob on this board who think all the struggles this team has faced since his arrival fall solely on him.  It's a pretty simplistic viewpoint, especially considering all of the variables at play here.

 

As far as the "narrative" you think I'm pushing here, I can only say it so many times before hopefully it sinks into that overly thick skull of yours.  No player has quit on this team as a result of the coaching.  In fact, just the opposite has happened even in seasons where it would have been very easy to do so.  Players do respond to him positively, including those who are considering Jacksonville as a landing spot.  Again, nobody is saying he's the lynch pin in landing free agents, but he's certainly  not a deterrent. 

 

You should stick to the retreaded ice cream quips.  It's your best material

 

 

Quote:It's just the perception FBT...  From fans on the outside lookin' in, it seems like Gus gives alot of passes when it come to accountability.  I've mentioned them before, and what's past is past.  It's my opinion that the "fun uncle" stigma is not drawn from thin air, but that there have been actual situations that perpetuate the perception.

 

Either way, at this point, I don't even care.  If we make the play-offs or at least Gus shows based on record that he's a legit coach all these critique I have placed on him, as well as others, will fall to the waste side.

 

I'm hoping that's the case.

 

I understand that it's the fan perception.  Fans aren't in the meeting rooms or watching the interaction between players and coaches, or between coordinators and the head coach.  People talked all last year about a lack of accountability.  When the offense struggled to develop with Bortles under center in 2014, the coordinator was fired and a new OC was brought in who could improve the situation.  Naturally, the same people who still bag on Gus today hated the Olson hiring because he didn't have this resume that impressed them.  Turned out to be the right coaching decision for Gus, and the offense improved significantly.  A coordinator was held accountable, and a new one was brought in who could do the job.

 

The same thing happened with the defense that clearly wasn't improving.  The coordinator was fired, a new one was hired, and much like when he brought in Doug Marrone last year to offer some experience to the staff, he also hired Kiffin to be a part of this coaching staff.  I think it will prove to be yet another smart coaching decision on the part of Gus, who I think most here would agree was not quite prepared to be the head coach when he arrived here.  He has grown into the position over the past few years, and I think the end result will be a significantly better team this year, both with the production on the field, and the way they are coached. 

 

Like I said, if you talk to anyone who has actually been in practices or meetings where the media wasn't included, there's a different Gus running things from the one that fans perceive based on his comments when the camera is on.  The funny thing here is that Gus is a positive guy by nature, but so is his mentor, Pete Carroll.  I don't recall seeing ice cream and sprinkles commentary directed at him.  He inherited a much better situation in Seattle than Gus did here.  He continues to talk Gus up as being an outstanding head coach who is going to see success in the league.  I'll trust him over the ice cream and sprinkles crowd on this board.

 

Ultimately, if he falls on his face this year, there will be a whole new staff running the show for 2017.  I don't think he will. 

The talent is there, but there's still a learning curve for the rookies. Even the all-pros got caught with their (blank) in their hands when they were rookies.

 

But Bradley had another year to learn, the Offense had another off-season to grow, and the Defense, as much as they stunk last year had another off-season to heal and get better. I am optimistic that you sprinkle the talented rookies and we have a pretty competitive team

If you spend 180 mil in FA, acquire arguably the top two players in the draft, after a three year rebuild... Sorry, but you should be above 8-8. I've seen many coaches do it with less.

Quote:If you spend 180 mil in FA, acquire arguably the top two players in the draft, after a three year rebuild... Sorry, but you should be above 8-8. I've seen many coaches do it with less.

Agreed, this year should be playoffs or else for Gus.

8-8 is the new 6-10. So annoying, putting a cap to winning.


This is from fans who used to hate the 9-7 average years of JDR'S


How far we've sunken


I say find a way to stop the embarrassments from Texans D line, and go take the dang South. It's there for picking.

Quote:I'm embarrassing myself? Goodness, you're the one that keeps saying Gus attracts players to the Jaguars, then in the next breath admitting that it's not the case at all. I know you're one that never let's go of a bone once you've made the mistake of biting into it, but maybe you should let this one go.


The Jaguars have had two major free agency splash signings during the Caldwell era, Julius Thomas and Malik Jackson, and both of them came for the money, though only Jackson was open enough to openly state it.

You forgot Pro Bowl Gipson

And Pro Bowl Ivory

And you forgot Amukamura

So players like Gus... shocking!!! the dude is nice people so what? doesn't mean he is a winner.

 

A lot of players hated Coughlin, Strahan hated him at first.

I bet a lot of patriots players would hate Belichick if he was a loser but he is not.

Chiefs players loved Crennel, how did that work for them? 

Simeon Rice once said in NFL network that Rod Marinelli was going to be the best HC in the league ...

 

The fact that players like a Coach means NOTHING.

If the players truly love him then they'll win for him.


I guess I'm one of the "bibbers" even though I don't spend a lot of time posting about it. This season gives all Jags fans hope, and that's all that matters. Dave is the man, and it's refreshing that all of us can at least agree on that.


I like Bradley about as much as Anchor, Seldom, Brkln, Jerrad, YoBoy, & all the other bibbers do. However, performance is what is important. I'm ok with him surrounding himself with enough coaching and playing talent to cover his shortcomings. If he wins, that's all that I care about.


Give Bradley the entire season, regardless of the outcome. If he posts a losing record for the 4th consecutive year, then kick him to the curb. If he goes 8-8 or better without playoffs, then it's playoffs or pink slip next season. If he gets us into the playoffs this season, he stays. I'll welcome either outcome with open arms, because the arrow is pointing up with or without him.