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I wish we would just hear something, I want to know that he is at least trying to make his life better.

Quote:The clock reset on the day he was arrested last July.  What the exact date it was reset to is the big question mark.  A suspended player is eligible to apply for reinstatement if they've remained clean and stayed out of trouble for a year.  Assuming the reports of his rehab are accurate, and the expectation that he would remain clean as a result, he should be eligible to apply for reinstatement any time now. 

 

He's not permitted to be in touch with the team under the terms of the suspension. They've received updates periodically through his agent, but that's it.  Contact is limited beyond that. 

 

We'll see if he's done or not soon enough.  I suspect he will eventually get reinstated.  At that point, we'll see where he's at and a decision will be made based on that.

I believe a conviction, even through a plea bargain, meets the league definition of "trouble", thereby making November 20th the one year mark for reinstatement.

 

A player suspended under the Leagues' substance abuse program is allowed to have bi-weekly telephone contact with the club's Director of Player Engagement. (Does anyone know who holds that position?)  The fact that there's been no contact, or at least no contact worthy of reporting, speaks volumes.

 

I don't think we're going to see anything soon.

I don't think we're going to see anything this season.

I don't think we're going to see anything ever.  

I think he's done with football.

Quote:I believe a conviction, even through a plea bargain, meets the league definition of "trouble", thereby making November 20th the one year mark for reinstatement.

 

A player suspended under the Leagues' substance abuse program is allowed to have bi-weekly telephone contact with the club's Director of Player Engagement. (Does anyone know who holds that position?)  The fact that there's been no contact, or at least no contact worthy of reporting, speaks volumes.

 

I don't think we're going to see anything soon.

I don't think we're going to see anything this season.

I don't think we're going to see anything ever.  

I think he's done with football.

A conviction is the official recognition of the initial wrong doing not an additional offense.

 

What you are describing is referred to as double jeopardy which is punishing a person twice for the same offense which is would be a violation of the labor contract.

 

The Director of Player Engagement wouldn't publicly discuss any interaction between the two. The fact that you have heard nothing is exactly what you are supposed to hear regardless of the amount of interaction.

Quote:A conviction is the official recognition of the initial wrong doing not an additional offense.

 

What you are describing is referred to as double jeopardy which is punishing a person twice for the same offense which is would be a violation of the labor contract.

 

The Director of Player Engagement wouldn't publicly discuss any interaction between the two. The fact that you have heard nothing is exactly what you are supposed to hear regardless of the amount of interaction.

A conviction is not exactly recognition of the original offense;  it is a finding of guilty, just as an acquittal is a finding of not guilty.

 

Double jeopardy is not punishing someone twice, it is bringing someone to trial twice.  An arrest and a trial are two related, but significantly different events.   An initial not-guilty plea will typically lengthen the time period of disposition, which is a risk the Defendant bears. Here's the language from the NFL's Policy and Prgram on Substances of Abuse, as agreed to by the NFLPA,  "Arrests and/or convictions for any criminal activity, including Substances of Abuse-related offenses."

 

Why do you believe the Director of Player Engagement would never make any information known?  Is there a league regulation prohibiting the release of any news? Obviously details of treatment, rehab, etc. are confidential, unless Justin approves their release.  Do you know of any restrictions on generic, non-specific information, i.e. "Spoke with Justin today.  He's working out and excited about rejoining the team."

Quote:A conviction is not exactly recognition of the original offense;  it is a finding of guilty, just as an acquittal is a finding of not guilty.

 

Double jeopardy is not punishing someone twice, it is bringing someone to trial twice.  An arrest and a trial are two related, but significantly different events.   An initial not-guilty plea will typically lengthen the time period of disposition, which is a risk the Defendant bears. Here's the language from the NFL's Policy and Prgram on Substances of Abuse, as agreed to by the NFLPA,  "Arrests and/or convictions for any criminal activity, including Substances of Abuse-related offenses."

 

Why do you believe the Director of Player Engagement would never make any information known?  Is there a league regulation prohibiting the release of any news? Obviously details of treatment, rehab, etc. are confidential, unless Justin approves their release.  Do you know of any restrictions on generic, non-specific information, i.e. "Spoke with Justin today.  He's working out and excited about rejoining the team."

 The NFL considers the violation to be the arrest. They don't wait for the trial to hand out suspensions and they don't extend punishment for conviction when they are already initiating full punishment for the arrest. The conviction does nothing more than justify the action they are already taking. It's just like in court, when you get arrested they consider the time served between arrest and conviction as part of the overall punishment. They don't restart the clock after the trial.

 

Have you ever heard of a Director of Player Engagement ever making information about a player known? There is obviously a confidentiality issue, otherwise we would be hearing from these guys all the time.

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Have you ever heard of a Director of Player Engagement ever making information about a player known? There is obviously a confidentiality issue, otherwise we would be hearing from these guys all the time.

 

 

This thread marks the first time I've ever heard of a Director of Player Engagement.

Quote: The NFL considers the violation to be the arrest. They don't wait for the trial to hand out suspensions and they don't extend punishment for conviction when they are already initiating full punishment for the arrest. The conviction does nothing more than justify the action they are already taking. It's just like in court, when you get arrested they consider the time served between arrest and conviction as part of the overall punishment. They don't restart the clock after the trial.

 

Have you ever heard of a Director of Player Engagement ever making information about a player known? There is obviously a confidentiality issue, otherwise we would be hearing from these guys all the time.

 

Hey, don't blame me, I didn't draft the policy!  There are significant differences between the mechanics of an NFL suspension and a criminal conviction, the standard of proof being one.  The language of the Substance Abuse Policy is somewhat ambiguous in spots and was revised during his suspension.  In the end, the commissioner has a huge amount of discretion in making a decision on reinstatement.

 

Why do you assume there is a confidentiality issue on any and all information?  Is this something you know to be a fact or merely your personal speculation?  

Quote:This thread marks the first time I've ever heard of a Director of Player Engagement.

 

Does anyone know who holds this position with the Jaguars? 

Quote:Hey, don't blame me, I didn't draft the policy!  There are significant differences between the mechanics of an NFL suspension and a criminal conviction, the standard of proof being one.  The language of the Substance Abuse Policy is somewhat ambiguous in spots and was revised during his suspension.  In the end, the commissioner has a huge amount of discretion in making a decision on reinstatement.

 

Why do you assume there is a confidentiality issue on any and all information?  Is this something you know to be a fact or merely your personal speculation?  

I know you didn't draft the policy, but you are trying to interpret it in a way that doesn't make sense. Having worked for years with a union tells me that your moving punishment dates wouldn't fly. The league doesn't offer grace periods on their punishment until trial and conviction, so they wouldn't suddenly reserve punishment for Blackmon until his conviction. They have always based their punishment on being arrested. To do different with Blackmon would be a violation of the union contract.

 

There is nothing to assume as far as confidentiality. It's the law. Your employer can't speak about things that involve your health, and drug abuse and the treatment and/or status falls into this category.

The wording that is throwing you off is the arrest and/or conviction. You are misinterpreting this.

 

What it is saying is that:

 

1. An arrest that results in a conviction is a violation.

2. A conviction that didn't come with a prior arrest can still be considered a violation.

3. An arrest without a subsequent conviction can still be considered a violation.

 

It's not setting up punishment timetables, it is differentiating to show what qualifies as a violation.

Hey Justin, if you are reading this consider this. Instead of the hall of fame, instead of having a chance to be one of the great ones; THIS THREAD is now your football legacy. All of that work it took you to get to the NFL is going to end in THIS THREAD... 

 

What a waste...

Quote:Hey Justin, if you are reading this consider this. Instead of the hall of fame, instead of having a chance to be one of the great ones; THIS THREAD is now your football legacy. All of that work it took you to get to the NFL is going to end in THIS THREAD... 

 

What a waste...

I'm sure he reads this board in between beers and blunts 

Here's the "latest" on Blackmon:

Quote:Jaguars haven't had contact with Justin Blackmon


Justin Blackmon | JAC

(August 1, 2015 4:25 PM EDT)


Jaguars coach Gus Bradley said he hasn’t had any contact with suspended WR Justin Blackmon.

Multiple offseason reports suggest Blackmon was denied reinstatement by the NFL. Blackmon is currently set to miss an unprecedented 40 games on indefinite suspension. An elite on-field talent, Blackmon’s career has been derailed by multiple Stage 3 violations. The Florida Times-Union believes it’s "uncertain" if Blackmon will return in 2016.


SOURCE: FLORIDA TIMES UNION

No news is no news.

I just hate how its so quiet all the time... well unless hes getting busted or something...

Maybe he's the new Jaxon de Ville?

Quote:I just hate how its so quiet all the time... well unless hes getting busted or something...

It's going to be quiet until he actually applies for reinstatement.  Until that time, there's not going to be anything new to talk about here.

I will say, in the unlikely event that Blackmon ever sees the field in Jacksonville again, that he's both young enough and talented enough to salvage something resembling a decent career if he cleans up.

 

Now it's too late to be a Hall of Famer, but it isn't too late to clean up, get back in game shape, and put together a solid football career.

 

Oh well.

When can blackmon actually reinstate himself.. Anyone know..

Quote:When can blackmon actually reinstate himself.. Anyone know..

 

At 4am tomorrow morning. You better stay up to find out if he does.

if blackmon has to do a two month thing after his suspension.. we should see him around october 24th.. cause july 24th was his whole year suspension.. 2 months from now will be october 24th.. thats where i think when hell return..