Quote:I'm talking right off the bat, i.e. training camp. Because it seems every year we go through this enormous rash of injuries in camp which could be indirectly related to the extreme heat/ humidity, i,e. the science of it being the players get tired quicker and it is said that more injuries occur when the body is exhausted.
I'm thinking if they held training camp in a more moderate weather locale it might prevent the mass number of injuries. Then by the time the Jags would return to Jacksonville, there would still be ample time for the Jags to assimilate to the conditions in practice for several weeks, so by the time the regular season started, they'd still have a decided home field advantage.
I am not a doctor or a trainer, but could you or someone with such a background elighten me as to the link between high heat/humidity and the kinds of injuries the Jaguars are facing now?
For instance, is there a documented link between heat/humidity and hamstring pulls like Shorts and Robinson have suffered?
Quote:I would think hot humid weather would help us avoid all these muscle injuries.
It has to do with the players wearing down quicker. The people in the know have concluded/ hypothesized that more injuries occur at that point.
Quote:It has to do with the players wearing down quicker. The people in the know have concluded/ hypothesized that more injuries occur at that point.
But do you know the injured players were fatigued when these injuries occurred?
If so, do you know the fatigue was the result of high heat/humidity as opposed to the physical exertion pro football players typically endure?
Quote:But do you know the injured players were fatigued when these injuries occurred?
If so, do you know the fatigue was the result of high heat/humidity as opposed to the physical exertion pro football players typically endure?
Do you know they weren't?
Its a safe assumption to make that the injuries (or a decent number of them) occurred in this manner.
Only the Jags would know direct accounts of this, but if it all adds up, perhaps they should look into the idea of training camp elsewhere to start things out.
Quote:As expected. Now look up a team like Green Bay and see if its the same story.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2151270-green-bay-packers-training-camp-week-2-stock-report'>http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2151270-green-bay-packers-training-camp-week-2-stock-report</a>
Bleacher report, but "the packers have definitely felt the injury bug so far"
Full disclosure, I haven't read this article, just skimmed the first page so I don't know the severity. But it appears it's really not the climate.
I still think it's just adjusting to the increased workload and lack of rest.
Quote:Do you know they weren't?
Its a safe assumption to make that the injuries occurred in this manner.
Only the Jags would know direct accounts of this, but if it all adds up, perhaps they should look into the idea of training camp elsewhere to start things out.
No I don't.
But injuries can happen irrespective of fatigue.
Injuries have happened in pre game warm ups.
A hamstring can be pulled on a guy running his initial route in a practice or drill.
For that matter, a guy can be fatigued by a lack of sleep as much as heat/humidity.
Also, according to a post after mine, the Packers, who also train in Wisconsin, are having a slew of injuries, too.
Heat may be a factor sometimes. But sometimes not.
Also, the majority of our injuries are precautionary. Cyprien was on the field practicing and Bradley held him out just to be safe it didn't tweak or get worse. If we had a regular season game this week I think most of these guys would be playing.
Quote:<a class="bbc_url" href='http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2151270-green-bay-packers-training-camp-week-2-stock-report'>http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2151270-green-bay-packers-training-camp-week-2-stock-report</a>
Bleacher report, but "the packers have definitely felt the injury bug so far"
Full disclosure, I haven't read this article, just skimmed the first page so I don't know the severity. But it appears it's really not the climate.
I still think it's just adjusting to the increased workload and lack of rest.
You'd probably have to do a more extensive research on if this is an anomaly for the Packers or not.
I know just from following the Jags that we seem to suffer a LOT of injuries in training camp annually. Hopefully Tony Khan is working on those analytics of his and charting the long term effects of climate for these training camps and injuries to see if theres any correlation to be drawn.
I'm not buying the heat has an effect on the injuries the team has seen. Not at all am I convinced that the Jaguars or players that play in high heat/humidity are more susceptible to injuries. Show me a link from a legitimate medical source saying that heat/humidity has that effect.
I'm also not buying the emphasis that seems to be being placed on the "fatigue" factor. These guys are professional athletes and the training camps they go through now, at their worst, are mild in terms of physical activity.
Quote:No I don't.
But injuries can happen irrespective of fatigue.
Injuries have happened in pre game warm ups.
A hamstring can be pulled on a guy running his initial route in a practice or drill.
For that matter, a guy can be fatigued by a lack of sleep as much as heat/humidity.
Injuries "can" happen at any point. Not disputing that.
However, if theres a correlation to be drawn here that the extreme climate locales seem to be suffering more injuries in camp than others, then I think it has to be looked at as far as possibly moving camp somewhere else.
Quote:You'd probably have to do a more extensive research on if this is an anomaly for the Packers or not.
I know just from following the Jags that we seem to suffer a LOT of injuries in training camp annually. Hopefully Tony Khan is working on those analytics of his and charting the long term effects of climate for these training camps and injuries to see if theres any correlation to be drawn.
Do you have any proof that the Jaguars suffer more injuries that the majority of the rest of the teams? All teams suffer these types of injuries. The Packers are a prime example over the past few years. The year they won their Super Bowl they had injuries galore.
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That post has nothing in it that answers my question.
All teams suffer injuries. Some suffer more than others at times but I'd bet their strength and conditioning program (coupled with how each individual keeps himself in shape during the offseason) has more of an effect than anything climate related.
Like I said, today's training camp is a glorified walk through.
Quote:<a class="bbc_url" href='http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2151270-green-bay-packers-training-camp-week-2-stock-report'>http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2151270-green-bay-packers-training-camp-week-2-stock-report</a>
Bleacher report, but "the packers have definitely felt the injury bug so far"
Full disclosure, I haven't read this article, just skimmed the first page so I don't know the severity. But it appears it's really not the climate.
I still think it's just adjusting to the increased workload and lack of rest.
Agreed.
Don't the Cowboys have annual training camp in Oxnard Cali? Where the weather is always mild?
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Dallas Cowboys Training Camp News: Injuries Start Piling Up
Five defensive players left the field at one point or another, including Matt Johnson (hamstring), Terrell McClain (ankle), DeVonte Holloman (dehydration), Jeff Heath (hand contusion) and Bruce Carter (sore leg and knee). Carter and Heath were able to return to the field during practice.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/7/28/5943405/dallas-cowboys-training-camp-news-injuries-start-piling-up'>http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/7/28/5943405/dallas-cowboys-training-camp-news-injuries-start-piling-up</a>
Quote:That post has nothing in it that answers my question.
All teams suffer injuries. Some suffer more than others at times but I'd bet their strength and conditioning program (coupled with how each individual keeps himself in shape during the offseason) has more of an effect than anything climate related.
Like I said, today's training camp is a glorified walk through.
That post goes over how that would be Tony Khan's job to analyze all that stuff and then make any decision about moving camp based on the information analytics gathered.
I'm only offering a suggestion regarding moving camp. Thats really all it is. You people are free to freak out over it anyway you wish. Not sure why it deserves to be freaked out over, but some of you sure seem butthurt over the mere suggestion of moving camp.
Quote:Agreed.
Don't the Cowboys have annual training camp in Oxnard Cali? Where the weather is always mild?
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/7/28/5943405/dallas-cowboys-training-camp-news-injuries-start-piling-up'>http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/7/28/5943405/dallas-cowboys-training-camp-news-injuries-start-piling-up</a>
Why do the Cowboys have camp there in the first place? :whistling:
Also, much like with the Packers example, a longer term study would need to be evaluated to see if this in anomaly or more frequent happening.
Quote:That post goes over how that would be Tony Khan's job to analyze all that stuff and then make any decision about moving camp based on the information analytics gathered.
I'm only offering a suggestion regarding moving camp. Thats really all it is. You people are free to freak out over it anyway you wish.
I'm not freaking out over anything, only saying your suggestion doesn't make any sense to me. There is no proof, none, so far that says anything of the sort. You made a comment about "people in the know" yet have shown nothing from "people in the know" that say anything of the sort. That's all I'm saying.
Injuries would happen whether they held camp in a cool climate, hot climate, or anything in between.
Quote:Why do the Cowboys have camp there in the first place? :whistling:
Also, much like with the Packers example, a longer term study would need to be evaluated to see if this in anomaly or more frequent happening.
They move Training Camp in order to take the players out of their normal environments so that they can focus on learning and practicing.
If there is better weather, that is an added bonus. And according to that article it has done wonders in regards to Dallas avoiding injuries.
It sucks that the Jags are the only team to get injured. I'm guessing Rodgers Goodell is behind this....
Quote:I'm not freaking out over anything, only saying your suggestion doesn't make any sense to me. There is no proof, none, so far that says anything of the sort. You made a comment about "people in the know" yet have shown nothing from "people in the know" that say anything of the sort. That's all I'm saying.
Injuries would happen whether they held camp in a cool climate, hot climate, or anything in between.
The only constants that I know is we seem to suffer an high number of camp injuries every year. The weather in Jax around camp time is perennially extreme heat/ humidity. That tells me there may be a corrolating issue.
Your last line is stupid. No one is saying that if camp is moved NO injuries would occur, and thats almost what you are implying is being suggested.
The only thing I am attempting to do is reduce total number of injuries over a long term timeframe.
As said, the analytical people such as Tony Khan could probably get a better handle of this. Hopefully they are looking into it. If they Jags upper mgmt were/ are, I'm sure the same people bashing me for this suggestion will be kissing their [BAD WORD REMOVED] over it. #doublestandardhypocriticalfans