Quote:The only constants that I know is we seem to suffer an high number of camp injuries every year. The weather in Jax around camp time is perennially extreme heat/ humidity. That tells me there may be a corrolating issue.
Your last line is stupid. No one is saying that if camp is moved NO injuries would occur, and thats almost what you are implying is being suggested.
The only thing I am attempting to do is reduce total number of injuries over a long term timeframe.
As said, the analytical people could probably get a better handle of this. Hopefully they are looking into it. If they Jags upper mgmt were/ are, I'm sure the same people bashing me for this suggestion will be kissing their [BAD WORD REMOVED] over it. #doublestandardhypocriticalfans
Someone needs to get over themselves, you're not usually this sensitive when we discuss things.
If the Jaguars had one certain injury that was more frequent, or one type of injury, that would help me believe the climate might be a factor. I simply don't think it does and have yet to see any evidence that it does. That's really all I am trying to say.
The Packers also seem to suffer a good amount of injuries year after year. The Giants, IIRC, have had a large number of injuries at times as well. As already stated the Cowboys have had many this year.
If climate DOES play a factor, I'd venture to guess it's a small one. There are a number of other things that can factor into a larger number of injuries that make more sense to me.
Correlation does not imply causation.
Quote:The only constants that I know is we seem to suffer an high number of camp injuries every year. The weather in Jax around camp time is perennially extreme heat/ humidity. That tells me there may be a corrolating issue.
Your last line is stupid. No one is saying that if camp is moved NO injuries would occur, and thats almost what you are implying is being suggested.
The only thing I am attempting to do is reduce total number of injuries over a long term timeframe.
As said, the analytical people could probably get a better handle of this. Hopefully they are looking into it. If they Jags upper mgmt were/ are, I'm sure the same people bashing me for this suggestion will be kissing their [BAD WORD REMOVED] over it. #doublestandardhypocriticalfans
I believe also that camp in Jacksonville can be detrimental to the team. I believe it can be managed but that will take an out of the box approach which would mean cutting down on activity on the practice field. Camp in a more player friendly climate would be conducive to a better team for a 16 game schedule. That being said, this summer has been very mild compared to others, at least my power bill says so.
Quote:Do you have any proof that the Jaguars suffer more injuries that the majority of the rest of the teams? All teams suffer these types of injuries. The Packers are a prime example over the past few years. The year they won their Super Bowl they had injuries galore.
It's definitely
not just us.
The only injury metric I put any stock in is games missed . Vague soft tissue diagnoses like "Hip flexors" or "strained quad" often fall under the umbrella of "Just giving sore legs a rest because 6 weeks of preseason is ridiculous overkill", particularly for guys like Gerhart or projected 16 game starters .
Quote:Someone needs to get over themselves, you're not usually this sensitive when we discuss things.
well thats what happens when I get responses like post 251 and 257...as examples...
Quote:The only value of metric I put in injuries is games missed . "Hip flexors" and other stuff could fall under the category of "Just giving tired and sore legs a rest".
That is true, and I guess time will play those out to see which kind of injuries those ultimately turn out to be.
First off, I think moving training camp would be a good idea. It falls under the ancient old category - Why not? It can only help.
Second, These rash of "injuries" most assuredly is bradley being careful. Maybe too careful. I don't mind the Vets being taken out at the drop of a wince but the rookies/bubble players need every snap.
Also, Glad to finally start hearing Lee's name. If he can stay healthy, Kid is gonna be good.
Quote:You'd probably have to do a more extensive research on if this is an anomaly for the Packers or not.
I know just from following the Jags that we seem to suffer a LOT of injuries in training camp annually. Hopefully Tony Khan is working on those analytics of his and charting the long term effects of climate for these training camps and injuries to see if theres any correlation to be drawn.
Lol someone debunks your myth and HE has to do more research
Can you provide research on how heat/humidity cause injuries? You cant provide a single shred of evidence to back up your claim.
Quote:Lol someone debunks your myth and HE has to do more research
Can you provide research on how heat/humidity cause injuries? You cant provide a single shred of evidence to back up your claim.
Its through heat/ humidity indirectly - which makes the athlete exhaust quicker which at that point there indeed is a link between a tired body being more susceptible to certain kinds of injury. Thats from people in that profession, not me.
Can we get back to the topic and use this thread for what it was intended for?
Quote:Lol someone debunks your myth and HE has to do more research
Can you provide research on how heat/humidity cause injuries? You cant provide a single shred of evidence to back up your claim.
I can, because I am going to school for it. Heat injuries are mostly known for like "Heat Stroke", "Dehydration"....etc. But the main point is, when you sweat, you lose the the fluids within your body. When you lose a significant amount without regular hydrating, your body can break down. And when it comes to regular hydrating, and a 10 minute water break isn't a "band aid on the wound". I can go into nutrition, and all sorts of stuff. I won't bore everyone with a lengthy convo with this, but there is a relationship with it. NOT a direct: dehydration equals torn hamstrings. But heat and dehydration can equal to a sense of breaking down of the body.
Quote:Can we get back to the topic and use this thread for what it was intended for?
Yes...
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The play of the day might be better described as entire drill. Rookie wide receiver Marqise Lee turned in a memorable performance during one-on-one, receiver/defensive back drills, catching numerous passes and getting open consistently. He caught at least one deep pass down the sideline for a touchdown and was open for several deep sideline routes for long gains. Jaguars Radio Analyst Jeff Lageman called it one of the best one-on-one receiving drills he ever has seen.
This was great to read.
If this reflects the ability of a WR to consistently beat man coverage, it has been a while since we ave had that on the roster.
I mean, Blackmon is good at it, but he's always suspended and never playing for the team.
I remember reading scouting reports on Lee comparing him to Victor Cruz.
If he can approximate Cruz in terms of ability to gain separation, hands, and productivity, I would be very very happy.
He would make Bortles a better QB and the Jaguars a better team.
Quote:You'd probably have to do a more extensive research on if this is an anomaly for the Packers or not.
I know just from following the Jags that we seem to suffer a LOT of injuries in training camp annually. Hopefully Tony Khan is working on those analytics of his and charting the long term effects of climate for these training camps and injuries to see if theres any correlation to be drawn.
The packers got trashed by injuries last year before the start of the regular season. It happens everywhere. In fact the heat and humidity are better for your muscles than the opposite.
Quote:Yes...
This was great to read.
If this reflects the ability of a WR to consistently beat man coverage, it has been a while since we ave had that on the roster.
I mean, Blackmon is good at it, but he's always suspended and never playing for the team.
I remember reading scouting reports on Lee comparing him to Victor Cruz.
If he can approximate Cruz in terms of ability to gain separation, hands, and productivity, I would be very very happy.
He would make Bortles a better QB and the Jaguars a better team.
I've said since day 1, my best comparison for him is Reggie Wayne. I was so psyched that he fell to us in round 2. I never would have imagined we would get his level talent and our QB in round 1. Hopefully it all translate to games.
Quote:Lol someone debunks your myth and HE has to do more research
Can you provide research on how heat/humidity cause injuries? You cant provide a single shred of evidence to back up your claim.
In the glitter filled world of TMD, research is for suckers. Hyperbole and baseless claims spoken the loudest win arguments.
The heat can lead to de-hydration and de-hydration certainly can factor into muscle strains -- but the team employs a host of folks to prevent de-hydration among the players and they are obviously keenly aware of the heat and its effects.
I would seriously hesitate to draw a line connecting them.
Not twitter - but from DiRocco's blog
Quote:TC day 10
The receivers had a much better day on Tuesday after what was a terrible performance on Monday, when they dropped multiple passes while running routes against air. Marqise Lee made a great catch along the sideline on an out pattern in which he quickly got both feet in bounds. Lamaar Thomasmade a one-handed catch and also snatched a ball out of the air above his head as he was coming out of a break. Mike Brown, who has been the most dependable receiver in camp, and Blake Bortles hooked up for a deep pass down the right sideline. There were still a few drops -- Chad Bumphis and Kerry Taylor had the most notable -- but the position group earned post-practice praise from Gus Bradley.
Quote:Given that they've already done it, you claiming that "it would never happen" is faulty already.
It was a suggestion in the first place. Thats all. There was no complaining. But some of you are acting like freaks.
Just like you don't give the jaguars the benefit of the doubt bc they have made one boneheaded decision after another for years, you don't get the benefit of the doubt.
Whine for the sake of whining, please continue.
Also, keep in mind about Marqise Lee - it was Lageman talking about him.
A couple of months ago I posted something about hearing Lageman say that Akin Ayodele was the best pass rusher he's ever seen (something along those lines).
Now he's saying Lee had the best 1-on-1 drills he's ever seen.
Sound kind of similar. It's just Lageman speech.