Quote:What prevents the Jags from trading #3 to a team that wants Matthews if the Rams do trade for someone wanting Clowney/Bridgewater.
What is the talent gap between Matthews as it compares to other OTs in this year's draft?
Pick #3 could be a valuable trade pick if it goes Bridgewater/Clowney...
Is Barr seen as the last premium pass rusher or is Matthews the must have LT...Rams could get screwed again by trading back which is why I think they will go Matthews @ #2 leaving Clowney or Bridgewater there at 3.
The Rams trading out of #2 is a big, big If.
I know we want to make this seem like there's some sort of possibility, but the Rams trading out of that spot with Matthews still on the board is about the same chance as the Texans not picking Clowney OR Bridgewater.
And the Jags won't trade out unless Bridgewater or Clowney aren't on the board, two MAJOR needs, and there's virtually no chance of that happening as long as the Rams hold that #2 pick, which WILL be Matthews, and rightfully so. Matthews is adequate value at #2 even with Clowney on the board.
Quote:I know nothing about Matthews and Barr, but I do know the Falcons need a left tackle and have the #6 pick. We can trade down three spots and let them pick Matthews if the Texans pick Bridgewater. But would it be smart to trade out of the top five?
What I am worried about is the Browns trading up with the Rams to jump over us. They have extra picks to do it.
If we are missing out on Clowney/Bridgewater and assuming Matthews goes #3 with our trade...
At #6 you still have choice of Barr/Mack/Carr/Manziel...one of which would be guaranteed @ #6 assuming we net a 2nd or 3rd...why not since we don't have a need for Matthews and we have more holes than just Barr could fill @ #3.
Quote:The Rams trading out of #2 is a big, big If.
I know we want to make this seem like there's some sort of possibility, but the Rams trading out of that spot with Matthews still on the board is about the same chance as the Texans not picking Clowney OR Bridgewater.
And the Jags won't trade out unless Bridgewater or Clowney aren't on the board, two MAJOR needs, and there's virtually no chance of that happening as long as the Rams hold that #2 pick, which WILL be Matthews, and rightfully so. Matthews is adequate value at #2 even with Clowney on the board.
I hope you are right about this, but somehow I could still see the Rams trading down because this looks like a deep crop of tackles. Even if they don't land Matthews, they could still get a stud LT, get a WR with their other first round pick, and still upgrade other areas of the team with other high picks.
Quote:The Rams trading out of #2 is a big, big If.
I know we want to make this seem like there's some sort of possibility, but the Rams trading out of that spot with Matthews still on the board is about the same chance as the Texans not picking Clowney OR Bridgewater.
And the Jags won't trade out unless Bridgewater or Clowney aren't on the board, two MAJOR needs, and there's virtually no chance of that happening as long as the Rams hold that #2 pick, which WILL be Matthews, and rightfully so. Matthews is adequate value at #2 even with Clowney on the board.
This is my point...I believe Clowney or Bridgewater will still be there @ #3.
Quote:I hope you are right about this, but somehow I could still see the Rams trading down because this looks like a deep crop of tackles. Even if they don't land Matthews, they could still get a stud LT, get a WR with their other first round pick, and still upgrade other areas of the team with other high picks.
To me, there's a major dropoff after Matthews, and I think the Rams know they need to hit the restart button on the offensive line after Jake Long's leg was practically amputated on the field.
Quote:Based on what?
Read the previous post...
Rams got burned last year...they really need LT...Matthews seen as the Elite "can't miss" LT this year.
Would rams gamble trading out of #2 knowing that Jax at #3 has no need for LT while Atl @#6 desperately needs LT?
Texans go Clowney/Bridgewater
Rams go Matthews in order to not get burned
Jax gets whoever Texans don't pick.
Clowney is quite literally a one hit wonder, guy just isnt good and once he gets paid hes gonna shut it down. its so obvious
I am very interested in learning more about Bortles if he declares for the draft.
If we can't get Teddy, which now seems highly unlikely, the other 2 QBs I'd take is Manziel or McCarron.
Trading down to get a Sammy Watkins and then trading up to Manziel would be awesome.
Quote:I think if ever there was a team that was never ever tanking it was the redskins..considering they didn't even own their pick this year
If Shanahan didn't want to be fired this would be true. But this is the one scenario where I think a coach is actively trying to be fired.
Quote:To me, there's a major dropoff after Matthews, and I think the Rams know they need to hit the restart button on the offensive line after Jake Long's leg was practically amputated on the field.
No question as to the need the Rams have at T.
To me there is a balancing test the Rams will have to evaluate-namely whether the dropoff between Matthews and the next LT prospect is greater than the value of whatever extra picks they stand to gain in trade-assuming they would lose Matthews in any deal down.
Cleveland has two first round picks, two 3rd round picks, and two 4th round picks. Their first round pick is 4th overall.
They could easily swap the # 4, a 2nd round pick, and a 3rd to the Rams for the #2, and the Rams could still end up with Matthews at 4, and it would be worth it for the Rams to deal down.
If Cleveland wound up trading both #1s to deal up, the Rams could still end up with Matthews, Sammy Watkins, and their choice of CB, RB, or even RT with the other first round pick without even getting out of the first round.
Quote:If we can't get Teddy, which now seems highly unlikely, the other 2 QBs I'd take is Manziel or McCarron.
Trading down to get a Sammy Watkins and then trading up to Manziel would be awesome.
I liked how McCarron played against Auburn...
Quote:If we can't get Teddy, which now seems highly unlikely, the other 2 QBs I'd take is Manziel or McCarron.
Trading down to get a Sammy Watkins and then trading up to Manziel would be awesome.
English grammar 101: a double negative equals a positive. So if it is highly
unlikely we can't get Teddy, there is a very high chance we
can get Teddy.
Quote:I am very interested in learning more about Bortles if he declares for the draft.
This thread is about the #3 pick. No way is Bortles being picked that high.
Quote:No question as to the need the Rams have at T.
To me there is a balancing test the Rams will have to evaluate-namely whether the dropoff between Matthews and the next LT prospect is greater than the value of whatever extra picks they stand to gain in trade-assuming they would lose Matthews in any deal down.
Cleveland has two first round picks, two 3rd round picks, and two 4th round picks. Their first round pick is 4th overall.
They could easily swap the # 4, a 2nd round pick, and a 3rd to the Rams for the #2, and the Rams could still end up with Matthews at 4, and it would be worth it for the Rams to deal down.
If Cleveland wound up trading both #1s to deal up, the Rams could still end up with Matthews, Sammy Watkins, and their choice of CB, RB, or even RT with the other first round pick without even getting out of the first round.
The Risk is: Matthews will most likely go #3 via trade with ATL....so he won't be there @ #4 just like Blackmon wasn't...
Quote:No question as to the need the Rams have at T.
To me there is a balancing test the Rams will have to evaluate-namely whether the dropoff between Matthews and the next LT prospect is greater than the value of whatever extra picks they stand to gain in trade-assuming they would lose Matthews in any deal down.
Cleveland has two first round picks, two 3rd round picks, and two 4th round picks. Their first round pick is 4th overall.
They could easily swap the # 4, a 2nd round pick, and a 3rd to the Rams for the #2, and the Rams could still end up with Matthews at 4, and it would be worth it for the Rams to deal down.
If Cleveland wound up trading both #1s to deal up, the Rams could still end up with Matthews, Sammy Watkins, and their choice of CB, RB, or even RT with the other first round pick without even getting out of the first round.
Correct, and they run the risk of us trading back two spots with the Falcons who could then steal Matthews...
Sooo... is it official that we're the 3rd pick overall now?