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Dareus is coming into a locker room with some strong leaders on that defense in Campbell, Telvin, Ramsey, Church. If he can get his act together and blend in, and if those guys can exert a positive influence on him, it'll be a steal. Because apparently, from what has been posted in this thread, his only real problem is his attitude.

I'm just wondering if someone is going on IR to make room for him.

But the more I think about it, if this works out, that defense... Jeesus.

High risk/ High Reward potentially. Depends where this guy is mentally. God knows, we’ve brought in free agents with impressive track records , only to see them bomb out. This could be different, however, as there are star players all around him to help.

"Mr. Big Stuff"
Play "Mr. Big Stuff"
on Apple Music
(Oh yeah, ooh)
Mr. Big Stuff
Who do you think you are
Mr. Big Stuff
You're never gonna get my love

Now because you wear all those fancy clothes (oh yeah)
And have a big fine car, oh yes you do now
Do you think I can afford to give you my love (oh yeah)
You think you're higher than every star above

Mr. Big Stuff
Who do you think you are
Mr. Big Stuff
You're never gonna get my love

Now I know all the girls I've seen you with
I know you broke their hearts one after another now, bit by bit
You made 'em cry, many poor girls cry
When they try to keep you happy, they just try to keep you satisfied

Mr. Big Stuff, tell me tell me
Who do you think you are
Mr. Big Stuff
You're never gonna get my love

I'd rather give my love to a poor guy that has a love that's true (oh yeah)
Than to be fooled around and get hurt by you
Cause when I give my love, I want love in return (oh yeah)
Now I know this is a lesson Mr. Big Stuff you haven't learned

Mr. Big Stuff, tell me
Who do you think you are
Mr. Big Stuff
You're never gonna get my love

Mr. Big Stuff
You're never gonna break my heart
Mr. Big Stuff
You're never gonna make me cry

Mr. Big Stuff, tell me
Just who do you think you are
Mr. Big Stuff
You're never gonna get my love
Mr. Big Stuff

if this player is such a good player why are bills getting rid of him for a 6th round pick? can someone please explian that so i can explain it to my dad. he always tells me player must not be that good if team let him go,espaiilley if jags suihn him off another teams pratice squad.

Day 2.

Still like the move.

(10-28-2017, 07:41 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]if this player is such a good player why are bills getting rid of him for a 6th round pick? can someone please explian that so i can explain it to my dad. he always tells me player must not be that good if team let him go,espaiilley if jags suihn him off another teams pratice squad.

Teams trade good players for different reasons.

Sometimes they trade good players to dump salaries.  I think that was a driving force behind trading Marcus Stroud, who still made a pro bowl after we traded him.

Sometimes teams trade good players away because they were bad for the locker room they were in.  When the 49ers were winning Super Bowls, they traded Hall of Fame DE/OLB Charles Haley to Dallas because he was disruptive in their locker room.  He wound up being the missing cog of the Dallas defense as they won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years with him.  The falcons traded away a young Brett Favre because they thought he was too much of a partier.   Favre went on to win, what, three league MVPs, win a Super Bowl, and elevate the Packers national following again.

Speaking of the 49ers, they acquired QB Steve Young via trade because the Bucs were idiots and gave up on Young while they still needed a QB.  It suffices to say that Steve Young was worth the move because he won a Super Bowl and wound up a hall of famer.

Teams will trade good players because they are in rebuilding mode.  The Bills seems to be accumulating draft picks at a very high rate.  They now have two draft picks in each of the first four rounds, and either in the 5th or 6th round, for 2018.  Dallas traded Pro Bowl RB Herschel Walker to Minnesota for a boatload of draft picks and players in 1989.   Walker had 1000 yard rushing seasons after he left Dallas.

Contract issues can lead to teams trading good players.  The Rams traded away Eric Dickerson to the Colts in a 3 way deal that led to the Rams accumulating a bunch of picks and RB Greg Bell.  The Chargers traded away Eli Manning because he didn't want to play for the Chargers and wouldn't sign.  Manning won two Super Bowls for the Giants.  This is similar to what happened in 1983, where Elway managed to force the Colts into trading him away to Denver when he threatened to play baseball.  Elway wound up winning two Super Bowls with Denver and wound up a first ballot Hall of Famer.    

Teams will trade good players away because they want to get younger and the player doesn't totally fit their system.  Marshall Faulk was a great player for the Colts.  But the Colts had the chance to get younger at the position by trading him away to the Rams and drafting Edgerrin James.  The trade wound up great for both the Rams and the Colts.  Marshall Faulk won a Super Bowl and a league MVP award with the Rams, while Edgerrin James wound up rushing for over 11,000 yards in his career.

Sometimes, teams are willing to sacrifice strength at one position to get better at another.  In a player for player swap, the Seahawks traded C Max Unger to the Saints for TE Jimmy Graham.   Both are good players with their new teams.

Sometimes teams have numbers at a particular position.


I think the Dareus trade was motivated by several factors.  I think the Bills saw Dareus as bad for the locker room, that his contract was an issue, and that the Bills are accumulating draft picks.

The fact is, there are myriad motivations for teams to trade away good, even great players, and many instances where those trades work out better for the team acquiring the veteran player.

Hope this helps.

And with that move rip the rest of the division

(10-28-2017, 07:41 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]if this player is such a good player why are bills getting rid of him for a 6th round pick? can someone please explian that so i can explain it to my dad. he always tells me player must not be that good if team let him go,espaiilley if jags suihn him off another teams pratice squad.

My best friend is a bills fan. He said they are switching defensive schemes and the new coaching staff wants to bring in their own players. They have traded most of the good players on their team away like watkins to the rams. Didnt resign zach brown who is beasting with redskins. The guy can still play so it is a cap space move for the bills

(10-28-2017, 09:06 AM)Jag Wrote: [ -> ]And with that move rip the rest of the division

I'm picturing a motivated Dareus going up against Joeckel in a few weeks and smiling.

(10-27-2017, 10:56 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]From what I'm reading in the comments section of the Buffalo News Sports section, he's a punk [BLEEP] pot smoker who started mailing it in when he got his new contract. I hope that was due to the team environment and not because of a persistent character flaw. Granted, we got him cheap, but this team has good chemistry right now. A veteran distraction in the locker room is not what we need. Marrone better lay down the law, which I'm sure he will.

Ask Andre Rison what happens to talented players who disrupt Coughlin's locker room. No way to know which Dareus the Jags will be getting, but he'll be gone the second he messes up.

It's a 6th round pick and they are willing to take a chance in case the guy can find his mojo back. We are deep on defense and it can only make us better.

Plus we'll get another 5th or 6th in the next 2018 draft by trading Bortles to Cleveland or something so it's all good

(10-28-2017, 06:46 AM)SunriseCottage Wrote: [ -> ]High risk/ High Reward potentially. Depends where this guy is mentally. God knows, we’ve brought in free agents with impressive track records , only to see them bomb out. This could be different, however, as there are star players all around him to help.

I think this is low risk/high reward. We gave up a 6th (maybe a 5th), for a guy who could be great if he gets his act together. We're on the hook for nothing after 2018 if he doesn't work out.

(10-28-2017, 09:14 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2017, 09:06 AM)Jag Wrote: [ -> ]And with that move rip the rest of the division

I'm picturing a motivated Dareus going up against Joeckel in a few weeks and smiling.

This move has the potential to be insane. Our defense won't let dareus underperform.

Khan is just stroking his stash at all u plebians worrying about cap space.....

(10-28-2017, 09:29 AM)newporttom Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2017, 06:46 AM)SunriseCottage Wrote: [ -> ]High risk/ High Reward potentially. Depends where this guy is mentally. God knows, we’ve brought in free agents with impressive track records , only to see them bomb out. This could be different, however, as there are star players all around him to help.

I think this is low risk/high reward. We gave up a 6th (maybe a 5th), for a guy who could be great if he gets his act together.  We're on the hook for nothing after 2018 if he doesn't work out.

A 6th round pick was not going to make the roster anyways.

The risk is that his cap could affect the ability to resign Lee/Colvin/Arob/Omameh etc...

If we let Colvin walk because his money became Dareus then that is the risk associated with this...

(10-28-2017, 09:39 AM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2017, 09:29 AM)newporttom Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is low risk/high reward. We gave up a 6th (maybe a 5th), for a guy who could be great if he gets his act together.  We're on the hook for nothing after 2018 if he doesn't work out.

A 6th round pick was not going to make the roster anyways.

The risk is that his cap could affect the ability to resign Lee/Colvin/Arob/Omameh etc...

If we let Colvin walk because his money became Dareus then that is the risk associated with this...

would u care if the Jags won a Superbowl?? because thats the goal.... go big or go home lil sea bass.

(10-28-2017, 09:34 AM)Achilles Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2017, 09:14 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I'm picturing a motivated Dareus going up against Joeckel in a few weeks and smiling.

This move has the potential to be insane. Our defense won't let dareus underperform.

The depth, talent and flexibility this move gives us is amazing.

At face value, we now will have a starting line of Ngakoue, Dareus, Jackson and Campbell.

The rotation enables us to rest Campbell instead of moving inside on passing downs if possible, or, depending upon match ups, putting him inside next to Dareus or Jackson. 

If we wanted to play an odd front, Dareus enables us to do it.

While he is capable of a double digit sack performance, I don't think we NEED him to rush the passer that much.  If he can improve our run defense (and I have no reason to think he won't), he'll be worth the trade.  Him collapsing the pocket is a bonus in my eyes.

Mr. Big Stuff 'fixin to bring it on Sundays for us!!

(10-28-2017, 09:41 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-28-2017, 09:39 AM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: [ -> ]A 6th round pick was not going to make the roster anyways.

The risk is that his cap could affect the ability to resign Lee/Colvin/Arob/Omameh etc...

If we let Colvin walk because his money became Dareus then that is the risk associated with this...

would u care if the Jags won a Superbowl?? because thats the goal.... go big or go home lil sea bass.

Of course not...

I'm just pointing out where the "risk" of the deal comes from.