(10-27-2017, 09:43 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ]Bills fans seem to be shocked and upset Buffaglo only got a sixth rounder out of it.
https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/1...ksonville/
(10-28-2017, 05:40 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2017, 05:26 PM)Billsfan1212 Wrote: [ -> ]With all due respect, when you say something like that you should probably have some sort of idea what you are talking about.
I'll spare you the rehortic, but this regime is cleaning the mess that Whaley and Rex brought upon this team.
Their play and their actions have been night and day.
Both franchises seek to have figured things out for the time being and are on the rise
I like the Jags and am familiar to a degree bc my father lives in the area.
Let's not pretend either are a model franchise though.
Both have issues, and neither are the cream of the crop of the NFL. Very similar teams.
There was hope a return to 4-3 would set him off again this yr and he'd return to form.
Sadly, he couldn't get on the field and when he did he found a new way to get into trouble, get injured, or make a dumb play.
This move wasn't a GM going rouge, this was something that NEEDED to happen whether it be paying someone to take him or a cut. He was the lone guy who couldn't get on board.
My ONLY point was essentially you guys got yourselves a player who could turn it around....but, maybe not.
Only time will tell.
Just know, he was given a babysitter as well as every opportunity conceivable and then some to figure it out and he couldn't.
He will go down in BUF history as one of their biggest busts behind Williams, Maybinn, McGahee either way now that his time with the team is through
(Emphasis added to last line)
He was a two time Pro Bowler. None of the guys you grouped with him even came close to that. Why in the world would you choose to lump him in with them?!? I'm no Bills fan, but I follow them enough to know there is ZERO way you can sensibly lump Aaron Freaking Maybin in the same caliber of player as Marcell Dareus, even factoring in the suspensions.
Here are Maybin's career stats
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...ybAa99.htm
For those not inclined to click, I will save you the trouble. Maybin had a 4 year career, only two of which were with Buffahole. He had SIX (6) career sacks, none of which were with Buffahole. He started all of ONE (1) game with the Bills in his two years there, and registered 25 total tackles in his career. Marcell Dareus eclipsed just about all of those totals in his rookie year alone, only finishing a half sack behind Maybin's career sack total, which is particularly telling considering Maybin was an edge rusher and Dareus was a DT!!!
That alone lets me know you are another butt hurt Bills fan.
The fact is, the Jaguars have a long history in fleecing the Bills in trades.
You gave us a top ten first round pick and a 4th round pick for Rob Johnson. You gave us a 3rd and a 5th for our pro bowl DT Marcus Stroud, while we gave up a 6th (5th round at worst) for your Pro Bowl DT.
This is simply the latest. He doesn't have to completely regain his Pro Bowl form to be worth the deal. All he has to do is stop the run. If he comes close to being the pass rusher he was there, it's gravy.
Gee wiz man...
It's pretty easy to lump him in with that group just by simply taking into account that the contract he was given was anchored by the big expectations that came along with it.
Even if he didnt keep going to the pro bowl, he was at least expected to be productive.
He wasn't.
That simple.
Would you be happy if Bortles came out and made the pro bowl 2x in his 1st 4 years, you then made him the highest paid player on your team and then he proceeded to get multiple suspensions, cause problems, and hurt the teams performance?
No, you wouldnt. You'd consider him a bust - and even more so b/c of the hindrance he caused to your cap.
I cant even imagine what would happen if he remained in BUF and got another strike or worse -makes him sit for AN ENTIRE YEAR!!!!!.
At the end of 2013, he was late for team meetings twice.
Marrone benched him for a quarter in a game against Miami as punishment, then the day after the game, he was late again, so in the final game against the Patriots, he was benched for a half.
Five months later, in a span of about 30 days in May 2014, he was arrested on a synthetic drug-possession charge back home in Alabama.
Then he lost control of his car and slammed into a tree outside a restaurant in the Buffalo suburb of Hamburg while he was drag racing with teammate Jerry Hughes.
More substance abuse issues resurfaced while Ryan was in town, and Dareus was suspended by the league for one game at the start of the 2015 season.
Then got nailed again and had to sit out the first four games of 2016.
In between, he did a 30-day stint in rehab (though it turned out it was at One Bills Drive, not at a rehab facility) and announced that he had been afflicted with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder since he was younger.
This year he was sent home bc he was too cool to ride the bus with the team to the game even after he was told he needed to....
So....DONT COME AT ME WITH FREAKING AARON MAYBINS STATS like you know whats up.
The fact that you are totally yippie skippy about this without taking into account that theres a possibility this dosent turn out the way you think it does tells me you might not know that much about football...
Seriously, linking aaron freaking maybins stats.... good god man.
For as bad as Maybin was, at least he didnt come with all the baggage.
Dareus didn't seem to be missed yesterday.
In fact, it was nice not having to watch out for his bone headed play of the game.
He was traded bc he was far more of a distraction than he was worth.
Again, no one trades a superstar for peanuts.
If its too good to be true, it probably is.
These are just simple facts of not only this situation, but life in general.
Did you stop to consider if it was THAT big of a fleecing, maybe you would have had to give more than a 6th bc teams would be lining up around the block for his services even with his contract?
I assure you, there is no butt hurtedness here.
Quite a callus has been built up over the last 17 years.
Uninformed folks on message boards aside, this was a universally celebrated trade amongst fans.
Again... if this is such a bang up move for the jags, i don't get why there is sooo much reassuring going on.
It's a gamble plain and simple...
See? because you decided to be ignorant to the situation and insulting, you've got me bashing... which wasnt my intent as I contend I liked the kid. He seems to have a big heart and although he will remain a bust in BUF, I sincerely hope he finds his way and regains his form. The league could use a success story rather than another clown having everything handed to him and blowing it....
And just so I dont get some smart response about 'gee, it sounds like you really like him' he did do excellent things away from the field and seems to have a big heart....
https://buffalowdown.com/2016/11/22/marc...s-charity/
(which counts for NOTHING during game day mind you... but its nice)