(10-27-2017, 08:45 PM)TheAll22 Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly I’m kinda meh on Dareus. He has been downright lazy the past year and sure the pick is meaningless and he is better than any 6th rounder so in that sense great trade. I’m still baffled by the lack of aggressiveness to acquire a competent Quarterback. Most roster decisions like this become washed out by the fact that this team has no clear direction at the most important position in the sport.
This is not the time to trade for a QB who will obviously be the third string guy while learning a whole new playbook and inactive until he masters it. What we need now is a plug and play run stopper.
Malik isnt getting cut due to Dareus...if anything this just means Colvin and some of our other FAs might not get re signed.
We traded a 6th for Dareus, 49ers traded a 6th for gabbs
LOL
(10-27-2017, 08:51 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2017, 08:42 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ]So we are fixing something that is not broke? If Malik Jackson is doing a good job we just need a replacement for Abry Jones.
He is 6'3 330... pretty sure he will be in rotation with Abry Jones not Malik.
That's what I thought, but the embedded ESPN post implied otherwise because it mentions Malik Jackson will be cut.
seems like they wanted more of a rotation at DT. Probably a good move if you want to protect Calais from wear and tear. Since the Bills ate part of the contract its a pretty cheap deal for the next two years. Not at all what I saw coming. I don't really see him coming in to replace Malik either. We now have 3 freakish DTs and 2 guys in Arby and Sheldon with a ton of talent. Although not entirely necessary and the fact that this will eat up some of our salary cap space, getting Dareus at that price for two years is an amazing deal.
I think this cements Poz either being cut or tremendously adjusting his contract, Colvin is gone and replaced with a 2nd-3rd round DB, Lewis, Ivory, Parnell, all likely gone.
Abry Jones, sit back. Let this guy Dareus show you how to stop the run.
We just got so much beefier up front! This is a big time move.
(10-27-2017, 08:59 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: [ -> ]Malik isnt getting cut due to Dareus...if anything this just means Colvin and some of our other FAs might not get re signed.
He may not get cut but he has been out shined.
Really? His point is Dareus is worth better than a 6th. Gabbs wasn't worth a 40th.
(10-27-2017, 08:50 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2017, 08:43 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Our run D has been broke. We are 30th in run D
Abry Jones is more responsible for that than Malik Jackson though, right? Jackson was not signed to be a run stuffer.
Yes but he is still a DT and should be a huge part of stopping the run
(10-27-2017, 09:01 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ]What is your point?
What point are you trying to make with this point?
Dareus is taking Abrys snaps way more than he's taking Jackson's. He's much better equipped to split the doubles and make head way than Abry is. Jackson's a better 3 tech than Dareus at this point.
I wonder why the Bills were willing to part with a player of his caliber for so little? Is it really just because of his attitude? What makes us think he will act different here?
Jackson's number 1 priority is stopping the run. He's a DT. And Dareus will be taking Abry's spot. Not Malik
Bills fan here!
After reading some of this I thought I'd drop a Buff POV.
I totally get being jacked at getting a new player.
Far be it from me to rain on your parade.
However, it's kinda funny to see both message boards so happy.
Dude was a cancer, which is a shame bc Mr big stuff could be very very good. Sadly, he got paid and checked out. After that, it snowballed and he couldn't do ANYTHING right.
Need a bone head play at a big moment? Dareus is your guy.
That moment when you need a big play from your stud? Dareus is NOT that guy. Between his dumb suspensions (drag racing in a busy area down the street from the stadium, smoking fake pot, injury after injury from not being in shape etc) and his antics apparently the Bills couldn't WAIT to let him go. Add in he was healthy and only playing 22% of snaps vs Denver and it was just a big, fat, waste on the cap.
I hope he turns around. Maybe being a role player rather than 'The Guy' will be a good thing. He was reduced to a roll player most of this year and still only had 8 tackles and 1 sack.
His ability to come down with a new injury or reason not to play was uncanny and getting embarrassing.
He has been the epitome of wasted talent.
I've read a few things that concern me.
To those thinking he's just a mentor short of putting it together...
He had one of the games most respected vet players basically babysitting him in Kyle Williams.
Hes essentially the opposite of Dareus and the leader of the team. Dude does EVERYTHING right and is a class act. He took him under his wing almost acting like a father figure and it got to the point where he would make excuses for #99... until it wore thin on him too
Dareus had everything you could hope for in Williams but he didn't care even when it made KW look silly.
The other thing that pains me to read are the comments like 'eh, it's only eating up cap space'...
That's the most valuable asset to a team. I don't understand how that can just be dismissed.
That's $$ (and a lot of it) that can't be used for other resources.
And even still, dude was getting paid bank essentially NOT to play for the Bills.
The fact that ANYTHING was paid, let alone a conditional 6th to a 5th is nothing short of amazing with a contract so backasswords and crazy.
It was the worst kept secret he would eventually be cut bc no one thought they'd pay anything....anything at all.
I'm sure the Bills made the rounds as it's been rumored for a while and this was the best they could get OR the only team who was actually WILLING to take the contract ON let along give compensation.
I get being excited and if roles were reversed I'd prob let my excitement get the best of me.
But for those saying he will fit in as a role player.... that's a TON for a role player.
Once the smoke clears, I'd realize that although the potential is there - it's a VERY expensive gamble
One that could very easily land you folks in the same trouble the Bills were in but this time there won't be a team willing to take the gamble in the same way of taking on the contract....
I wish him luck, I do... but proceed with caution. When/if things go south he can be a real embarrassment and apparently be a bit selfish.
Buffalo seems to have a good thing going in that the team is all on the same page and working as one. The fact that he was unwilling to buy into that is just odd....
(10-27-2017, 09:16 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Jackson's number 1 priority is stopping the run. He's a DT. And Dareus will be taking Abry's spot. Not Malik
Say it again JF24!
Dareus is our new Nose Tackle. He’ll be asked to clog up the running lanes and rush the passer on occasion ala Roy Miller (but better?). Malik is playing 3 tech which is a totally different position.
(10-27-2017, 09:18 PM)Billsfan1212 Wrote: [ -> ]Bills fan here!
After reading some of this I thought I'd drop a Buff POV.
I totally get being jacked at getting a new player.
Far be it from me to rain on your parade.
However, it's kinda funny to see both message boards so happy.
Dude was a cancer, which is a shame bc Mr big stuff could be very very good. Sadly, he got paid and checked out. After that, it snowballed and he couldn't do ANYTHING right.
Need a bone head play at a big moment? Dareus is your guy.
That moment when you need a big play from your stud? Dareus is NOT that guy. Between his dumb suspensions (drag racing in a busy area down the street from the stadium, smoking fake pot, injury after injury from not being in shape etc) and his antics apparently the Bills couldn't WAIT to let him go. Add in he was healthy and only playing 22% of snaps vs Denver and it was just a big, fat, waste on the cap.
I hope he turns around. Maybe being a role player rather than 'The Guy' will be a good thing. He was reduced to a roll player most of this year and still only had 8 tackles and 1 sack.
His ability to come down with a new injury or reason not to play was uncanny and getting embarrassing.
He has been the epitome of wasted talent.
I've read a few things that concern me.
To those thinking he's just a mentor short of putting it together...
He had one of the games most respected vet players basically babysitting him in Kyle Williams.
Hes essentially the opposite of Dareus and the leader of the team. Dude does EVERYTHING right and is a class act. He took him under his wing almost acting like a father figure and it got to the point where he would make excuses for #99... until it wore thin on him too
Dareus had everything you could hope for in Williams but he didn't care even when it made KW look silly.
The other thing that pains me to read are the comments like 'eh, it's only eating up cap space'...
That's the most valuable asset to a team. I don't understand how that can just be dismissed.
That's $$ (and a lot of it) that can't be used for other resources.
And even still, dude was getting paid bank essentially NOT to play for the Bills.
The fact that ANYTHING was paid, let alone a conditional 6th to a 5th is nothing short of amazing with a contract so backasswords and crazy.
It was the worst kept secret he would eventually be cut bc no one thought they'd pay anything....anything at all.
I'm sure the Bills made the rounds as it's been rumored for a while and this was the best they could get OR the only team who was actually WILLING to take the contract ON let along give compensation.
I get being excited and if roles were reversed I'd prob let my excitement get the best of me.
But for those saying he will fit in as a role player.... that's a TON for a role player.
Once the smoke clears, I'd realize that although the potential is there - it's a VERY expensive gamble
One that could very easily land you folks in the same trouble the Bills were in but this time there won't be a team willing to take the gamble in the same way of taking on the contract....
I wish him luck, I do... but proceed with caution. When/if things go south he can be a real embarrassment and apparently be a bit selfish.
Buffalo seems to have a good thing going in that the team is all on the same page and working as one. The fact that he was unwilling to buy into that is just odd....
Jags don't need him to be anything special. They clearly believed the talent was worth a 6th rounder and combining him in the Calais atmosphere. If he proves he is nothing special after next season they cut him with no loss. It isn't our money and Khan clearly gave the OK on it.
(10-27-2017, 09:18 PM)http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/orig...llsfan1212 Wrote: [ -> ]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/orig...xpyl7n.jpgBills fan here!
After reading some of this I thought I'd drop a Buff POV.
I totally get being jacked at getting a new player.
Far be it from me to rain on your parade.
However, it's kinda funny to see both message boards so happy.
Dude was a cancer, which is a shame bc Mr big stuff could be very very good. Sadly, he got paid and checked out. After that, it snowballed and he couldn't do ANYTHING right.
Need a bone head play at a big moment? Dareus is your guy.
That moment when you need a big play from your stud? Dareus is NOT that guy. Between his dumb suspensions (drag racing in a busy area down the street from the stadium, smoking fake pot, injury after injury from not being in shape etc) and his antics apparently the Bills couldn't WAIT to let him go. Add in he was healthy and only playing 22% of snaps vs Denver and it was just a big, fat, waste on the cap.
I hope he turns around. Maybe being a role player rather than 'The Guy' will be a good thing. He was reduced to a roll player most of this year and still only had 8 tackles and 1 sack.
His ability to come down with a new injury or reason not to play was uncanny and getting embarrassing.
He has been the epitome of wasted talent.
I've read a few things that concern me.
To those thinking he's just a mentor short of putting it together...
He had one of the games most respected vet players basically babysitting him in Kyle Williams.
Hes essentially the opposite of Dareus and the leader of the team. Dude does EVERYTHING right and is a class act. He took him under his wing almost acting like a father figure and it got to the point where he would make excuses for #99... until it wore thin on him too
Dareus had everything you could hope for in Williams but he didn't care even when it made KW look silly.
The other thing that pains me to read are the comments like 'eh, it's only eating up cap space'...
That's the most valuable asset to a team. I don't understand how that can just be dismissed.
That's $$ (and a lot of it) that can't be used for other resources.
And even still, dude was getting paid bank essentially NOT to play for the Bills.
The fact that ANYTHING was paid, let alone a conditional 6th to a 5th is nothing short of amazing with a contract so backasswords and crazy.
It was the worst kept secret he would eventually be cut bc no one thought they'd pay anything....anything at all.
I'm sure the Bills made the rounds as it's been rumored for a while and this was the best they could get OR the only team who was actually WILLING to take the contract ON let along give compensation.
I get being excited and if roles were reversed I'd prob let my excitement get the best of me.
But for those saying he will fit in as a role player.... that's a TON for a role player.
Once the smoke clears, I'd realize that although the potential is there - it's a VERY expensive gamble
One that could very easily land you folks in the same trouble the Bills were in but this time there won't be a team willing to take the gamble in the same way of taking on the contract....
I wish him luck, I do... but proceed with caution. When/if things go south he can be a real embarrassment and apparently be a bit selfish.
Buffalo seems to have a good thing going in that the team is all on the same page and working as one. The fact that he was unwilling to buy into that is just odd....
Enjoy your 6th round pick!