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(10-30-2017, 03:36 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-30-2017, 03:34 PM)Billsfan1212 Wrote: [ -> ]Hackett, Wheatly, and Sparano Jr have coached him as well

Where'd he line up on offense?

LOL, i list 3 offensive coaches (and have since added a D one) and you only bold 1? with the intent to make ME look silly??..
I'll just let that part go....
BUT
OBVIOUSLY hes not a O position coach - but since you seem to want to work with obviousness - you are aware that the O and D go against each other in practice and therefore there will be a familiarity??

Man, watching his incoming interview he seems pretty down on the situation and shocked. Hopefully, he will use that anger wisely and not fall off the deep end. Not going to lie, my initial impression is this dude is going to struggle with the change.

(10-30-2017, 03:48 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]Man, watching his incoming interview he seems pretty down on the situation and shocked. Hopefully, he will use that anger wisely and not fall off the deep end. Not going to lie, my initial impression is this dude is going to struggle with the change.

How did you get that impression?

(10-30-2017, 03:48 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]Man, watching his incoming interview he seems pretty down on the situation and shocked. Hopefully, he will use that anger wisely and not fall off the deep end. Not going to lie, my initial impression is this dude is going to struggle with the change.

I didn't get that vibe at all.

I think he's ready to prove people wrong.

(10-30-2017, 03:41 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]You definitely type paragraphs like you're from Buffalo.

Thanks! my phone was actually manufactured overseas so i cant take all the credit...

That is pretty classy of you though!
Should I just assume you are from Florida and start in with obnoxious and untrue stereotypes as well?
No... because its plain ignorant, and I'd imagine most are untrue.....

(10-30-2017, 03:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-30-2017, 03:48 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]Man, watching his incoming interview he seems pretty down on the situation and shocked. Hopefully, he will use that anger wisely and not fall off the deep end. Not going to lie, my initial impression is this dude is going to struggle with the change.
I didn't get that vibe at all.

I think he's ready to prove people wrong.

He seemed to be very careful in his wording and saying the same thing multiple times. Don't get me wrong, I want him to ball out and give the finger to Buffalo!

(10-30-2017, 03:48 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]Man, watching his incoming interview he seems pretty down on the situation and shocked. Hopefully, he will use that anger wisely and not fall off the deep end. Not going to lie, my initial impression is this dude is going to struggle with the change.

I'm not sure how to take his interviews.
After he was sent home in the preseason he rubbed people the wrong way by calling the coach a nick name (when everyone else called him Coach McDermott) and kinda laughed, smiled and chuckled about the whole thing.
His words didnt match his actions.
Then after he started getting dogged for that, he came back a few days later and tried to fix it but that one was the exact opposite in that it was very solemn.

(10-30-2017, 03:58 PM)Billsfan1212 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-30-2017, 03:48 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]Man, watching his incoming interview he seems pretty down on the situation and shocked. Hopefully, he will use that anger wisely and not fall off the deep end. Not going to lie, my initial impression is this dude is going to struggle with the change.

I'm not sure how to take his interviews.
After he was sent home in the preseason he rubbed people the wrong way by calling the coach a nick name (when everyone else called him Coach McDermott) and kinda laughed, smiled and chuckled about the whole thing.
His words didnt match his actions.
Then after he started getting dogged for that, he came back a few days later and tried to fix it but that one was the exact opposite in that it was very solemn.

He doesn't appear to be a good interview, which is okay by me. Some players are good at it and some shy away. Does it appear normal? You would know better than I if this was his typical "style".

(10-30-2017, 03:51 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-30-2017, 03:48 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]Man, watching his incoming interview he seems pretty down on the situation and shocked. Hopefully, he will use that anger wisely and not fall off the deep end. Not going to lie, my initial impression is this dude is going to struggle with the change.

How did you get that impression?

Simple...watched a video and formed an opinion based on mannerisms.

I don't see a problem with calling Sean McDermott a nickname as long as the coach likes it. Was it derogatory?

(10-30-2017, 04:01 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2017, 03:58 PM)Billsfan1212 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure how to take his interviews.
After he was sent home in the preseason he rubbed people the wrong way by calling the coach a nick name (when everyone else called him Coach McDermott) and kinda laughed, smiled and chuckled about the whole thing.
His words didnt match his actions.
Then after he started getting dogged for that, he came back a few days later and tried to fix it but that one was the exact opposite in that it was very solemn.

He doesn't appear to be a good interview, which is okay by me. Some players are good at it and some shy away. Does it appear normal? You would know better than I if this was his typical "style".

Seems pretty normal. Aside from the aforementioned preseason gaffe, hes always seemed sincere.
Not much emotion unless things are going very well and then he'll crack a smile and can be pretty funny too.
I cant imagine this is much fun in the sense of uprooting everything youve known as a pro and being the new guy regardless of the destination.
If things go well, I hope you get get to see the fun MD. Hes got a funny dance to go with his Mr Bigstuff nickname. Good stuff
I cant help but wonder how he feels going back to Marrone.
There was some pretty bad stuff that came out about him after he left.
I know players were hurt and as a result some stuff that usually wouldnt come out after a coach leaves did.
Knowing TC is a disciplinarian, and having already been suspended by DM 2x hopefully he knows it wont be fun and games like it was with Rex.
He also took a couple shots at him when he left - Im sure figuring hed never have to play for him again - so I wonder if they even care or its just water under the bridge. Obviously we will never know for sure so speculation is pointless... just things I wonder.
Hopefully its one of those 'its in the past' type things.

I have never heard of a player being an all pro and being considered a bust.

Derrick Harvey now that’s a bust.

Y’all got fleeced. Just like the good old days. Accept it and move on. Y’all didnt have a strong enough coaching staff and front office to keep his production up. Don’t worry I’ve seen it with Gus Bradley so I understand.

(10-30-2017, 04:10 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see a problem with calling Sean McDermott a nickname as long as the coach likes it. Was it derogatory?

No - not at all
It was just the context.
Everyone else refers to him as 'Coach' or 'Coach McDermott'
It made the media mad that rather than take it seriously and 'man up' so to speak he just laughed it off.
When asked why he was sent home, Dareus answered: "Me and McDermott, we had a discussion. We're on the same page, and we're just going to continue to move forward. ... Me and the coaches, we all spoke and we're very clear about moving forward. That's what we're going to do. We've got a clear understanding now. Once we had our conversation, we had a clear understanding of us moving forward, how we're going to handle things. ... To be honest, our conversation that we had made everything crystal clear on both parties."

Its not bad, but the rest of the team is referring to media members as Sir etc it just looked bad that he spoke of him like they were boys.
It was just another example of him not fitting in and doing his own thing.
He got sent home for not wanting to be bothered to ride the team on the bus b/c he was injured and wasnt playing.... so he didnt care.
He asked for permission to go by himself later and it was denied. He was told he had to go with the team.
Marcell did what he wanted anyway, and didnt show up until the rest of the team was on the field stretching.

Then when he gave that answer, it just appeared he didnt take it seriously.
Then when it came out he was denied permission but did it anyway it made the response look even sillier bc everyone else understood.
He even asked and was told no. It wasnt until he was sent home and ANOTHER conversation took place was it 'crystal clear'.

And thats just kind of it.
Hes not a terrible person or a bad guy.
He is just the epitome of a guy who got paid and started thinking he was special.

Neither here nor there, but I always think failing a drug test is a very selfish thing to do because THEY KNOW WHEN ITS COMING!!!
He gets paid all that $$ to be a leader, and he cant even play bc of injuries, team suspensions, league suspensions, court for the drag racing, the list goes on.
Its a shame, bc before he cashed in he was a total and complete beast.
He had a chance to get a total clean slate this year and he showed up fat and out of shape and kept getting hammy injuries and groin pulls.
2 weeks ago I think it was an ankle.

Which is why I say THIS guy COULD be the BEST PLAYER on your D.
He just needs to get the fire and discipline back.

Buffalo had just had enough.
He was setting a bad example, wasnt buying in, and was getting paid to be the face of the franchise and he just kept embarrassing them over and over.
BOTH sides had a lot invested and in the end a change will prob be best for both.

(10-30-2017, 04:30 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]I have never heard of a player being an all pro and being considered a bust.

Derrick Harvey now that’s a bust.

Y’all got fleeced. Just like the good old days. Accept it and move on. Y’all didnt have a strong enough coaching staff and front office to keep his production up. Don’t worry I’ve seen it with Gus Bradley so I understand.

This ISNT about Doug Marrone.... but dont tell me about a strong enough coaching staff. This man managed to alienate an entire city....overplayed his hand and then had to tuck his tail between his legs and be an ast coach before this opportunity.
To his credit, I'm sure he and Hack will be a little more successful this go'round b/c TC seems to have the gumption that Whaley didnt have. They were always bickering about something and he got labeled very difficult to work with and a Diva as a result.
I wasnt in the room, so dont argue with me about it. If you like him you like him. I just know what I read.

I'm not sure you understand what the word FLEECE actually means.
I think the words you are ACTUALLY looking for are mutually beneficial as this could potentially be...to BOTH parties involved (IE one team gets rid of an overpaid distraction who had worn out his welcome and would be forced to cut if no one was willing to give anything, while the other sees a risk/reward situation that could pay dividends IF said distraction ever finds the fire in his belly and decides he actually cares enough to stay in shape and act like a professional making millions of dollars).
When you say words like FLEECE, but dont actually understand the situation or context in which you use said word... well... you tend to just look kinda dumb.
Stop being a homer and use your brain. Once you can string some sort of intelligent and/or informed thoughts together on the subject I'd be more than happy to have a discussion.

Serious question to anyone else but this ETDavis guy...
I'm curious, when Hackett was here - he got totally dragged over the coals.
It was looked at as DM was rewarding him for being a good soldier during the SU days and he took some serious crap.
The reason being however, he called some TERRIBLE games. Just as vanilla as can be with no suprises. run run pass with nothing creative.
Has this improved I hope? I wouldnt wish that frustration on anyone.
When he left, I think more people were happy that it meant the end of good ol'Nathaniel more than anything else.
This man was SERIOUSLY disliked

My impression from that interview is WOW. It really puts a spotlight on the life upheaval impact on the player. In Buffalo one day with what he considers family and in Jax the next day without the slightest ability to have any say in the matter. That's why they make the big bucks I guess. He alluded to have some idea it could have been coming though.

I hope he turns it back on. I welcome him here.

(10-30-2017, 04:54 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]My impression from that interview is WOW. It really puts a spotlight on the life upheaval impact on the player. In Buffalo one day with what he considers family and in Jax the next day without the slightest ability to have any say in the matter. That's why they make the big bucks I guess. He alluded to have some idea it could have been coming though.

I hope he turns it back on. I welcome him here.

I think most fans and reporters do not understand the psychological impact of these situations. The NFL does have a program to help players and their families move when they have to play somewhere else, but nothing can make up for the personal losses and plan changes created by moving out of state. Marcell Dareus is most likely feeling that right now.

(10-30-2017, 04:47 PM)Billsfan1212 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-30-2017, 04:30 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]I have never heard of a player being an all pro and being considered a bust.

Derrick Harvey now that’s a bust.

Y’all got fleeced. Just like the good old days. Accept it and move on. Y’all didnt have a strong enough coaching staff and front office to keep his production up. Don’t worry I’ve seen it with Gus Bradley so I understand.

This ISNT about Doug Marrone.... but dont tell me about a strong enough coaching staff. This man managed to alienate an entire city....overplayed his hand and then had to tuck his tail between his legs and be an ast coach before this opportunity.
I'm not sure you understand what the word FLEECE actually means.
I think the words you are ACTUALLY looking for are mutually beneficial as this could potentially be...to BOTH parties involved (IE one team gets rid of an overpaid distraction who had worn out his welcome and would be forced to cut if no one was willing to give anything, while the other sees a risk/reward situation that could pay dividends IF said distraction ever finds the fire in his belly and decides he actually cares enough to stay in shape and act like a professional making millions of dollars).
When you say words like FLEECE, but dont actually understand the situation or context in which you use said word... well... you tend to just look kinda dumb.
Stop being a homer and use your brain. Once you can string some sort of intelligent and/or informed thoughts together on the subject I'd be more than happy to have a discussion.

In reference to Doug, I heard he didn’t want EJ Manuel and your silly owner made it happen anayway. He also wrote a clause in the contract that he could opt out at anytime and still make all his money. What is it with you guys paying for players and coaches and go aren’t even there anymore. So nice try distorting the facts again. Bro y’all traded an all pro DT for a sixth rounder. For reference the Jets got a second and a wr for Sheldon Richardson who is on the last year of his contract and has less sacks than Dareus had in less games last season. How’s that for intelligent informed thoughts for you lol.

Don’t comes to a jags board spreading “knowledge” or “cautionary tales” of how y’all couldn’t get an all pro player to produce after y’all changed the defense and his role in said defense and now wonder why he isn’t productive anymore. That’s football 101. That’s literally like putting JJ Watt at nose tackle and wondering why he can get 20 sacks again. Y’all screwed up. That’s all it is. Y’all mismanaged a high end player and couldn’t get max minimum value for him. Oh and by the way, y’all are still paying 10 million this year for him and 14 million for him next year? Y’all are carrying 24 million of dead cap over 2 years for a player not even on your roster and only got a 6th out of it.

Yep sounds like a good ole fleecing to me lol. Now you can try and refute any point that was brought up with out dodging any point, resorting to name calling and shallow digs. Otherwise you look like the blind homer looking to “educate” the silly southern hicks. I guess the city slicker is all knowing. We clearly don’t know football. Der wees justa one horse town...

(10-30-2017, 04:47 PM)Billsfan1212 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-30-2017, 04:30 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]I have never heard of a player being an all pro and being considered a bust...

I'm curious, when Hackett was here - he got totally dragged over the coals.
It was looked at as DM was rewarding him for being a good soldier during the SU days and he took some serious crap.
The reason being however, he called some TERRIBLE games. Just as vanilla as can be with no suprises. run run pass with nothing creative.
Has this improved I hope? I wouldnt wish that frustration on anyone.
When he left, I think more people were happy that it meant the end of good ol'Nathaniel more than anything else.
This man was SERIOUSLY disliked

The playcalling from Marrone has been largely very good in his time here. Especially considering hes's been doing it with a mostly one dimensional offense.

I can understand why your perception of Marrone and Hackett would be so colored, but they are both making lots of believers out of a large number of fans that were not originally happy about them being hired/retained here.

Three of the four wins by the Jags have actually featured some very smart game-planning and playcalling IMO.
Exploiting weaknesses and/or keeping a defense off balance with a bit of smoke and mirrors seem to come fairly easy to this staff compared to many others I've observed closely.

(10-30-2017, 02:19 PM)Billsfan1212 Wrote: [ -> ][quote pid='1051111' dateline='1509154980']
Gee wiz man...

Quote:1It's pretty easy to lump him in with that group just by simply taking into account that the contract he was given was anchored by the big expectations that came along with it.

[/quote]

So you are easily grouping a guy who earned a SECOND contract to guys who didn't make it through their first? Must be liberating to not be burdened by thinking.

Quote:Even if he didnt keep going to the pro bowl, he was at least expected to be productive.
He wasn't.
That simple.
Would you be happy if Bortles came out and made the pro bowl 2x in his 1st 4 years, you then made him the highest paid player on your team and then he proceeded to get multiple suspensions, cause problems, and hurt the teams performance?
No, you wouldnt. You'd consider him a bust - and even more so b/c of the hindrance he caused to your cap.
I cant even imagine what would happen if he remained in BUF and got another strike or worse -makes him sit for AN ENTIRE YEAR!!!!!.
At the end of 2013, he was late for team meetings twice.
Marrone benched him for a quarter in a game against Miami as punishment, then the day after the game, he was late again, so in the final game against the Patriots, he was benched for a half.
Five months later, in a span of about 30 days in May 2014, he was arrested on a synthetic drug-possession charge back home in Alabama.
Then he lost control of his car and slammed into a tree outside a restaurant in the Buffalo suburb of Hamburg while he was drag racing with teammate Jerry Hughes.

More substance abuse issues resurfaced while Ryan was in town, and Dareus was suspended by the league for one game at the start of the 2015 season.
Then got nailed again and had to sit out the first four games of 2016.
In between, he did a 30-day stint in rehab (though it turned out it was at One Bills Drive, not at a rehab facility) and announced that he had been afflicted with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder since he was younger.
This year he was sent home bc he was too cool to ride the bus with the team to the game even after he was told he needed to....
So....DONT COME AT ME WITH FREAKING AARON MAYBINS STATS like you know whats up.
The fact that you are totally yippie skippy about this without taking into account that theres a possibility this dosent turn out the way you think it does tells me you might not know that much about football...
Seriously, linking aaron freaking maybins stats.... good god man.
For as bad as Maybin was, at least he didnt come with all the baggage.
Dareus didn't seem to be missed yesterday.
In fact, it was nice not having to watch out for his bone headed play of the game.
He was traded bc he was far more of a distraction than he was worth.
Again, no one trades a superstar for peanuts.
If its too good to be true, it probably is.
These are just simple facts of not only this situation, but life in general.
Did you stop to consider if it was THAT big of a fleecing, maybe you would have had to give more than a 6th bc teams would be lining up around the block for his services even with his contract?

I assure you, there is no butt hurtedness here.
Quite a callus has been built up over the last 17 years.
Uninformed folks on message boards aside, this was a universally celebrated trade amongst fans.
Again... if this is such a bang up move for the jags, i don't get why there is sooo much reassuring going on.

It's a gamble plain and simple...

See? because you decided to be ignorant to the situation and insulting, you've got me bashing... which wasnt my intent as I contend I liked the kid. He seems to have a big heart and although he will remain a bust in BUF, I sincerely hope he finds his way and regains his form. The league could use a success story rather than another clown having everything handed to him and blowing it....

And just so I dont get some smart response about 'gee, it sounds like you really like him' he did do excellent things away from the field and seems to have a big heart....
https://buffalowdown.com/2016/11/22/marc...s-charity/
(which counts for NOTHING during game day mind you... but its nice)

Since we are going down memory lane here let's review some more facts.

1. Buffahole hired Doug Marrone and signed him to a deal that allowed him to escape if Wilson was no longer the owner. Wilson died, Pegula became owner, and did not bother to renegotiate the clause that allowed Marrone to leave once Wilson was not owner, or otherwise failed to persuade Marrone to stay. Marrone coaches the Bills to their first winning season in ten years. Marrone exercises his rights to leave under the terms negotiated by both parties, and Butt hurt Bills fans like yourself call him a quitter, a lousy coach, yada yada yada. Nevermind his immediate successor in title did not match his level of success.

2. Faced with the unexpected job opening, Pegula and Buffahole had ample opportunity to hire Jim Schwartz as the new head coach. Schwartz was your defensive coordinator in 2014, when the Bills finished 4th in total defense, and when Dareus was most productive. Instead you let him walk, and bring in, of all people, the walking dumpster fire known as Rex Ryan. Rex Ryan promptly switches from a very successful scheme and installs his 3-4 defense. Yes, Dareus' productivity dropped... primarily because he moved from a DT to a NT. That sort of thing tends to happen to DTs that move to NT. But while you portray Dareus as the one malingerer on the Bills defense, the simple truth (since you like simple but apparently not truth) is that defensive productivity for the Bills dropped ACROSS THE BOARD. They went from 4th in scoring in 2014, to 15th in scoring in 2015, to 16th last year. They went from first in the league with 54 sacks in 2014 to 31st in the league with 21 in 2015. Dareus, Jerry Hughes, Mario Williams...ALL had dramatic dropoffs in sacks. But I guess that's Dareus' fault? They went from 11th in rush defense in '14 to 16th in 2015 to 28th overall last year. But that's all on Dareus, too...right? Nobody else dropped off...right? The scheme change had nothing to do with anything and was at all times perfect for the personnel...right? But no...you aren't butt hurt at all. (insert eye roll here)

3. Based upon your ridiculous hypothetical, Bortles would be a disappointment, not a bust. Of course the impact of a starting QB going in total meltdown would be far different from a DT going into meltdown because of the roles each play on a team, but nevermind that obvious fact for now. As much as you'd like to, you can't simply gloss over the two Pro Bowls Bortles made in your hypothetical, any more than you anyone with an appreciation of fact can ignore the two Pro Bowls Dareus made for you. The fact is, even with all of his off field baggage, Dareus was way more productive than Maybin. Hell. even taking your drivel about not missing him at face value, Dareus still produced a sack against Cincinnati earlier this year, which, taken alone, still made him more productive than Aaron Freaking Maybin. There is no way anyone can SENSIBLY put Dareus in the same category as Maybin, even factoring in the off field stuff.

4. You say nobody trades superstars for peanuts. Interesting. Would you say San Francisco got good value for Charles Haley when they sent him to Dallas? What about Atlanta trading away Brett Favre or Tampa trading away Steve Young? Do you think the 2nd round pick the Colts got for Marshall Faulk was good return for someone who wound up being league MVP, a Super Bowl champion and a Hall of Famer? The Raiders traded Randy Moss to New England for a 4th round pick. Miami traded Welker for a 3rd. You remember those deals don't you? You should, because those guys have absolutely owned you.

5. Nobody, not me or anyone posting in this thread, denied that Dareus has had some off field issues, so your edit adding this stuff was absolutely worthless and shined no light on this matter. For that matter, nobody has guaranteed Dareus will be a rousing success here, nor has anyone reassured themselves or anyone else. The overwhelming majority of posters here have argued it's a trade with low risk and high potential for reward. At the end of the day, we have a Bills fan on a Jaguars board trying to convince Jaguars fans that a 27 year old, two time Pro Bowler is no different than another first round draft pick of yours that lasted all of two years and mustered as many sacks for the Bills as you or I have.

Now...you were saying something about uninformed posters...?

(10-30-2017, 05:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The play calling from Marrone has been largely very good in his time here. Especially considering he's been doing it with a mostly one dimensional offense.

I can understand why your perception of Marrone and Hackett would be so colored, but they are both making lots of believers out of a large number of fans that were not originally happy about them being hired/retained here.

Three of the four wins by the Jags have actually featured some very smart game-planning and play calling IMO. Exploiting weaknesses and/or keeping a defense off balance with a bit of smoke and mirrors seem to come fairly easy to this staff compared to many others I've observed closely.

Did we win one game despite bad play calling?

One thing that really helps is we have a HC and OC who worked together somewhere else before getting jobs in Jacksonville. They have a great chemistry that allows a more flexible, strength-tailored game plan each week.

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