(10-28-2017, 02:40 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2017, 11:53 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ][BLEEP] and Lewis you can't cut because their not under contract next year
Poz is hitting free agency after the season which is why I'm advocating trading him now before the deadline to a team that can use him to get over the top like the Packers or Patriots.
Lewis has one more year in the books. If they cut him before March they could save his entire $3.75 mil cap hit for 2018... or they can pay him $250,000 in March allowing them to make a decision later on. If they cut him after March 1 (or whenever his option bonus is due) but before the season starts, they still save the remaining $3.5 mil.
Poz is suited for a 4-3 defense and likes it better. IIRC he said something like that after joining the Jaguars.
(10-28-2017, 02:11 PM)Browntrouser Wrote: [ -> ]This move is to help the run defense. But he seems to be a player in full decline so I hope we don't get burnt in the long run. But maybe this move will help rejuvenate him. Also he will no longer be getting guaranteed money after the 2018 season so he may essentially be a 2 year and done guy with us.
Full decline?
I just read things today saying last week was his best game all year. He's only 27.
Yes, he had ten sacks in 14 and not nearly as many in the next two seasons, but he switched from a 4-3 in 2014 to a 3-4 in '15 and '16.
(10-28-2017, 02:42 PM)Achilles Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2017, 11:55 AM)Billsfan1212 Wrote: [ -> ]I broke it down a couple times in the past couple pages and posted links to exactly what the $$. No need for the 'something like that' estimations.
It's right there for all to see lol.
Regardless, I think it's just as simple as the old saying 'if it's too good to be true, it probably is'.
Again, maybe he turns it around - I sincerely hope he does.
But this wasn't an exclusive deal to the Jags.
The Bills have been trying to trade him rather than just cut him since he got sent home.
Anyone could have had him for a bag of football's.
We are lucky we didn't have to pay someone picks to take him.
Like I mentioned obviously saint Doug was ok with this or it doesn't get made but when he left BUF, Dareus was the 1st one blasting him in the media for all the bridges he burned here etc.
Again, I don't mean to be all doom and gloom.
Getting a new weapon is fun.
I just hope he turns into that weapon. The jags must have seen something none of the other teams did bc anyone actually WILLING to give anything could have had him.
Seems TC helped get this team in trouble in 1999 with $$. Hopefully this won't hurt if he remains who he's been for 3+ years.
It was a TERRIBLE contract that never should have been given out.
Buffalo just had a complex about keeping their own at that time and he made it clear he wasn't signing for anything less bc he's selfish. Another reason a restructure shouldn't just be assumed
I think Dareus is going to work out great for us.
Don't you worry about $$$ either. Bortles, ivory, malik....are just 3 guys that could be cut to save money. I think those 3 guys right there are somewhere around 35 million.
The front office knows what they're doing.
Why cut Malik for Dareus?
Who will be QB if you cut Bortles?
(10-28-2017, 02:48 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2017, 02:11 PM)Browntrouser Wrote: [ -> ]This move is to help the run defense. But he seems to be a player in full decline so I hope we don't get burnt in the long run. But maybe this move will help rejuvenate him. Also he will no longer be getting guaranteed money after the 2018 season so he may essentially be a 2 year and done guy with us.
Full decline?
I just read things today saying last week was his best game all year. He's only 27.
Yes, he had ten sacks in 14 and not nearly as many in the next two seasons, but he switched from a 4-3 in 2014 to a 3-4 in '15 and '16.
The bills front office has been making terrible decisions for years now. Their gm has no idea what he's doing. I'm glad Dave and Tom took advantage of that and brought in a guy that's low risk, massive reward.
Also stated, even if he isn't AS good as his 2014 self, even currently he's one of the best DTs in the game. With the right coaching and players around him, he's going to be dangerous.
(10-28-2017, 02:54 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, they have a lot tied up in that DL.
I hate to use the word "renegotiation" because it reminds me of the trouble we got into with Michael Huyughe. However, Linder might be a prime candidate because his deal was front loaded. They could easily shave about $6 mil off Linder's cap hit with a fat signing bonus that's split up against the cap over his remaining years.
We just extended Linder a few weeks ago. Tom Coughlin had to know what the financial effect of acquiring new players is when he and Linder agreed on a front-loaded contract.
(10-28-2017, 03:07 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2017, 12:28 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]That doesn’t include our 30 million in roll over cap space or the most likely 10-15 million cap increase next year.
Don't count on those "most likely" increases. The boycotts have most likely wiped them out. We might even see something like a $5 mil decrease per team. ...but there still should be roll-over money.
Boycotts have nothing to do with it. Only you are bringing it up.
Some of you guys are killing me with the Hurns getting cut! I mean really? Do you remember how many years we chased Jimmy Smiths replacement?? Troy Edwards, Reggie Williams, John Broussard, Matt Jones, Wilford, Troy Williamson, and the list goes on.
Hurns goes for 1000 yards and 10 TDs with Bortles at QB and some of you want him cut??
Lee has the same QB and his best year is 800 yards and 3 TDs.
Come on guys.
(10-28-2017, 03:41 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Some of you guys are killing me with the Hurns getting cut! I mean really? Do you remember how many years we chased Jimmy Smiths replacement?? Troy Edwards, Reggie Williams, John Broussard, Matt Jones, Wilford, Troy Williamson, and the list goes on.
Hurns goes for 1000 yards and 10 TDs with Bortles at QB and some of you want him cut??
Lee has the same QB and his best year is 800 yards and 3 TDs.
Come on guys.
Agreed, although I wouldn't really compare Hurns to Jimmy Smith. They're different types of receivers. I see him as more of a Keenan McCardell type.
(10-28-2017, 03:41 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Some of you guys are killing me with the Hurns getting cut! I mean really? Do you remember how many years we chased Jimmy Smiths replacement?? Troy Edwards, Reggie Williams, John Broussard, Matt Jones, Wilford, Troy Williamson, and the list goes on.
Hurns goes for 1000 yards and 10 TDs with Bortles at QB and some of you want him cut??
Lee has the same QB and his best year is 800 yards and 3 TDs.
Come on guys.
Um, let's be fair here. Hurns did that with Bortles looking like an average to above average QB, Lee did that with Bortles looking like an absolute mess. It's ridiculous to say that Bortles was the same QB in 2016 as he was in 2015.
Not literally Jimmy Smiths replacement but the fact of having a WR that can go over 1000 yards and score 10 TDs is nice.
Cut Lee before Allen Hurns.
And for the other guy....just saying, Lee and Hurns have the same QB. Lee is so over rated by some people it's sick. He's a dime a dozen.
Side Note - Westbrook will be the best of them all very soon...
(10-28-2017, 02:10 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2017, 02:00 PM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely a concern. I had a barroom conversation the other night about this with a guy who said that everyone assumes the cap will rise every year but that this year it may actually fall. I was very surprised when I walked into the 'bank for the Rams game and saw all the empty seats in the East side upper deck.
Winning may well cure or mitigate it but it's a valid concern, at least in Jacksonville.
The cap is determined by the tv money not money from tickets and sell. The tv check has been cut already. The cap is going up
Aren't they all related, though, ET? I (obviously) don't know how it works but are you saying that the TV contract(s) alone determine the cap through the end of the contract(s)? Then the TV renegotiation process will determine what the next cap levels will be? That makes sense if so.
(10-28-2017, 04:03 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Not literally Jimmy Smiths replacement but the fact of having a WR that can go over 1000 yards and score 10 TDs is nice.
Cut Lee before Allen Hurns.
And for the other guy....just saying, Lee and Hurns have the same QB. Lee is so over rated by some people it's sick. He's a dime a dozen.
Side Note - Westbrook will be the best of them all very soon...
Lee will be a FA after the season, so he is likely gone anyway. He is definitely overrated by a lot of people here though.
(10-28-2017, 04:13 PM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2017, 02:10 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]The cap is determined by the tv money not money from tickets and sell. The tv check has been cut already. The cap is going up
Aren't they all related, though, ET? I (obviously) don't know how it works but are you saying that the TV contract(s) alone determine the cap through the end of the contract(s)? Then the TV renegotiation process will determine what the next cap levels will be? That makes sense if so.
So this is maybe the simplest explaination I could find:
https://football.calsci.com/SalaryCap.html
[url=https://football.calsci.com/SalaryCap.html][/url]The tv contracts alone do not determine the salary cap but the tv contracts are worth so much money they contribute to roughly about 67% or the cap. The other 33% is a combination of NFL licensing (jerseys, video games basically anything with a team logo or nfl shield) and ticket sales. The licensing contributes to about 30% of the 33% remaining money. About 3% is ticket sales, maybe less and that money is only split between the two teams playing.
So that was more hyperbole on my behalf. No the entire salary cap in not dependent on the tv contracts but the bulk of it comes from the tv contract and another large chuck comes from the licensing. Ticket sales are a drop in the bucket interms of determing the salary cap.