(03-16-2020, 11:14 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2020, 11:08 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure the folks at the rest home will play along...
He also won't deport anyone his first 100 days in office.
If he’s anything like Obama those deportations will ramp up after the 100 days. Obama loved deporting.
I'm calling it right now.
Joe Biden will not be the Democrat Party's nominee for President. He will not survive his own Convention.
(03-27-2020, 10:36 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]I'm calling it right now.
Joe Biden will not be the Democrat Party's nominee for President. He will not survive his own Convention.
Especially when he steps to the podium and orders a #5 with large fries.
(03-27-2020, 10:36 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]I'm calling it right now.
Joe Biden will not be the Democrat Party's nominee for President. He will not survive his own Convention.
Them whom? Gov. Cuomo? Hillary?
(03-27-2020, 10:36 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]I'm calling it right now.
Joe Biden will not be the Democrat Party's nominee for President. He will not survive his own Convention.
Who do they broker it away to? Certainly not Sanders after going so far out of their way to trash him. AOC, fortunately, is too young to meet the Constitutional requirement. None of the New York crowd (Cuomo, Bloomberg or de Blasio) are known for much of anything, and most of the other Democratic possibilities have already pledged to support Biden. I think the real intrigue is on who Biden selects as his running mate, and the smart money there would have to be on Kamala Harris or a dark horse, outside minority.
(03-27-2020, 11:21 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2020, 10:36 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]I'm calling it right now.
Joe Biden will not be the Democrat Party's nominee for President. He will not survive his own Convention.
Who do they broker it away to? Certainly not Sanders after going so far out of their way to trash him. AOC, fortunately, is too young to meet the Constitutional requirement. None of the New York crowd (Cuomo, Bloomberg or de Blasio) are known for much of anything, and most of the other Democratic possibilities have already pledged to support Biden. I think the real intrigue is on who Biden selects as his running mate, and the smart money there would have to be on Kamala Harris or a dark horse, outside minority.
Italy just disqualified Bernie Sanders.
(03-27-2020, 11:35 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2020, 11:21 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Who do they broker it away to? Certainly not Sanders after going so far out of their way to trash him. AOC, fortunately, is too young to meet the Constitutional requirement. None of the New York crowd (Cuomo, Bloomberg or de Blasio) are known for much of anything, and most of the other Democratic possibilities have already pledged to support Biden. I think the real intrigue is on who Biden selects as his running mate, and the smart money there would have to be on Kamala Harris or a dark horse, outside minority.
Italy just disqualified Bernie Sanders.
Oh stuff it. It has not, but if you want to keep on your "I don't want to pay for anyone else's healthcare because I make $200,000 per year and shouldn't have to worry about other human beings," routine, be my guest. Just stop pretending that your own good fortune means that the rest of the world is worth [BLEEP].
(03-27-2020, 11:56 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2020, 11:35 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Italy just disqualified Bernie Sanders.
Oh stuff it. It has not, but if you want to keep on your "I don't want to pay for anyone else's healthcare because I make $200,000 per year and shouldn't have to worry about other human beings," routine, be my guest. Just stop pretending that your own good fortune means that the rest of the world is worth [BLEEP].
I deal in facts. You deal in fairy tales. You refuse to even let the words ILLEGAL ALIEN come through your lips because you are oblivious to facts and somehow think that makes you a good person.
I was talking about a rationing healthcare system where hospitals are so over-crowded, you may be deemed to die based on your age. I'm sure many Americans are just chomping at the bit to have that.
On a side note, you have been overly triggered these past couple days. Hope all is well with you.
(03-27-2020, 11:21 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2020, 10:36 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]I'm calling it right now.
Joe Biden will not be the Democrat Party's nominee for President. He will not survive his own Convention.
Who do they broker it away to?
Didn't you mean:
When does Hillary give it to herself?
(03-27-2020, 12:01 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2020, 11:56 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Oh stuff it. It has not, but if you want to keep on your "I don't want to pay for anyone else's healthcare because I make $200,000 per year and shouldn't have to worry about other human beings," routine, be my guest. Just stop pretending that your own good fortune means that the rest of the world is worth [BLEEP].
I deal in facts. You deal in fairy tales. You refuse to even let the words ILLEGAL ALIEN come through your lips because you are oblivious to facts and somehow think that makes you a good person.
I was talking about a rationing healthcare system where hospitals are so over-crowded, you may be deemed to die based on your age. I'm sure many Americans are just chomping at the bit to have that.
On a side note, you have been overly triggered these past couple days. Hope all is well with you.
I appreciate the sentiment. It is getting tiring having to tell my 70-year-old father with health problems already that only spending an hour a day in the common room of a condo complex that's a de facto retirement home is
not social distancing. At least I'm not having to tell other at-risk family members to stop flying period, even if it is just domestic air travel, anymore, and for fart's sake stop riding JTA. That downtown hub is a cesspool on the best of days anyway.
And yeah, this has prompted me to rethink a lot of my views on government. Trump's policies have to an extent, but this has really pushed utilitarianism to the limit for me. New York isn't too far from having to start deciding who lives and who dies, and they're part of the free market healthcare system that charges people thousands of dollars to have an ER doc prescribe them 800mg doses of ibuprofen, or that artificially blows up prescription pricing to max out insurance payments without really caring that patients without insurance who need those drugs are going to have to pay that inflated price. There are a lot of things wrong with the American healthcare system, and we're one poor decision about when to relax social distancing guidelines from finding out the hard way how bad our system is. I'm very quickly moving in favor of a
properly funded nationalized healthcare system. Is that socialism? Probably. Do I care? No, not really, because I'm beginning to think that it's the right thing to do. I've spent years centering my thoughts around Spock's "needs of the many" line, and now I'm not so sure he's right. There's a line between needs and wants, and at what point do the needs of the many become the wants of the many vs. the needs of the few? Where's the line where the wants of the many outweigh the needs of the few? And how should a government react to both?
I won't apologize, and I don't think you're looking for that. I do hope you and yours are ok, just like I hope JIB and Gabe's wife are quickly on the mend from whatever's ailing them, hopefully not COVID-19.
Also, illegal alien. It's not that I won't say it. It's that I'm very selective about how I apply it.
(03-27-2020, 11:21 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2020, 10:36 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]I'm calling it right now.
Joe Biden will not be the Democrat Party's nominee for President. He will not survive his own Convention.
Who do they broker it away to? Certainly not Sanders after going so far out of their way to trash him. AOC, fortunately, is too young to meet the Constitutional requirement. None of the New York crowd (Cuomo, Bloomberg or de Blasio) are known for much of anything, and most of the other Democratic possibilities have already pledged to support Biden. I think the real intrigue is on who Biden selects as his running mate, and the smart money there would have to be on Kamala Harris or a dark horse, outside minority.
I seem to recall reading a couple of things in the news that Cuomo is being talked about a lot.
Regarding the part in bold. I know that sleepy Joe has already said that he would select a female running-mate. I realize that the left likes to practice identity politics, but should the selection really be based on a quota rather than the best person for the job regardless of gender or ethnicity?
(03-27-2020, 02:14 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2020, 01:17 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I seem to recall reading a couple of things in the news that Cuomo is being talked about a lot.
Regarding the part in bold. I know that sleepy Joe has already said that he would select a female running-mate. I realize that the left likes to practice identity politics, but should the selection really be based on a quota rather than the best person for the job regardless of gender or ethnicity?
Since when has anyone chose a VP running mate based on being the best person for the job? The only name I can think of in the last 70 years of a running mate who wasn't chosen in the hope of bringing in crucial votes is Dick Cheney. But his selection was more about the role of a trusted advisor rather than someone who'd make a good replacement president in the event of the president's death.
I don't know, I'm pretty happy with the job that Mike Pence is doing.
(03-27-2020, 02:29 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2020, 02:14 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]Since when has anyone chose a VP running mate based on being the best person for the job? The only name I can think of in the last 70 years of a running mate who wasn't chosen in the hope of bringing in crucial votes is Dick Cheney. But his selection was more about the role of a trusted advisor rather than someone who'd make a good replacement president in the event of the president's death.
I don't know, I'm pretty happy with the job that Mike Pence is doing.
But Pence was selected to broaden Trump's appeal to evangelicals. I don't know exactly who Al Gore and Dan Quayle were supposed to appeal to. Gore wasn't a far out environmentalist yet, and Quayle was...well...Quayle. I would agree with Malabar that Cheney was the only VP candidate selected because he was the best man for the job, and even then I'd argue that it was at least as much because he was expected to
do the job was it was for him to be ready to do it.
(03-27-2020, 03:02 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2020, 02:29 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know, I'm pretty happy with the job that Mike Pence is doing.
But Pence was selected to broaden Trump's appeal to evangelicals. I don't know exactly who Al Gore and Dan Quayle were supposed to appeal to. Gore wasn't a far out environmentalist yet, and Quayle was...well...Quayle. I would agree with Malabar that Cheney was the only VP candidate selected because he was the best man for the job, and even then I'd argue that it was at least as much because he was expected to do the job was it was for him to be ready to do it.
How do you know that Pence was selected solely to appeal to evangelicals? Do you not think that he is doing a good job in his current position? Perhaps he was selected because he was the best person for the job (as perceived by now President Trump). He certainly wasn't selected because he is a white "older" male.
(03-27-2020, 03:08 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2020, 03:02 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]But Pence was selected to broaden Trump's appeal to evangelicals. I don't know exactly who Al Gore and Dan Quayle were supposed to appeal to. Gore wasn't a far out environmentalist yet, and Quayle was...well...Quayle. I would agree with Malabar that Cheney was the only VP candidate selected because he was the best man for the job, and even then I'd argue that it was at least as much because he was expected to do the job was it was for him to be ready to do it.
How do you know that Pence was selected solely to appeal to evangelicals? Do you not think that he is doing a good job in his current position? Perhaps he was selected because he was the best person for the job (as perceived by now President Trump). He certainly wasn't selected because he is a white "older" male.
Those two aren't mutually exclusive.
Pence was selected so that he would check some boxes for the coalition.
He was not necessarily the best man for the job.
In fact, there are rumors that the job was offered to each of the top three challengers from the primary season, and all three declined. So Pence probably wasn't even Trump's first choice.
But that doesn't mean Pence is doing bad now. He seems to be handling his role with the virus very well. His boss, on the other hand..m
(03-27-2020, 04:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2020, 03:08 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]How do you know that Pence was selected solely to appeal to evangelicals? Do you not think that he is doing a good job in his current position? Perhaps he was selected because he was the best person for the job (as perceived by now President Trump). He certainly wasn't selected because he is a white "older" male.
Those two aren't mutually exclusive.
Pence was selected so that he would check some boxes for the coalition.
He was not necessarily the best man for the job.
In fact, there are rumors that the job was offered to each of the top three challengers from the primary season, and all three declined. So Pence probably wasn't even Trump's first choice.
But that doesn't mean Pence is doing bad now. He seems to be handling his role with the virus very well. His boss, on the other hand..m
Can you cite any credible source for that? I would counter that Pence was exactly the right man for the job and is doing it well. Which "boxes" does it check? You liberals are the only ones that tend to do identity politics.
It's pretty common for the President to choose a VP that will bring in a different set of voters. I think it's probable that Pence was selected for that reason. As for Biden, I called it that he would pick Elizabeth Warren as his VP for the reason previously stated. However, with his condition, I imagine he's going to need to find a DNC approved candidate. I am calling it now that he will win the nomination, choose his VP, do a few interviews, then admit he has dementia or whatever is ailing him, endorse his VP as President. The DNC only has to approve the pick according to their bylaws. It's a rare opportunity for the DNC to skip the election and hand pick their nominee. No doubt Joe is going to do them a solid, since the did one for him.
(03-27-2020, 05:13 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (03-27-2020, 04:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Those two aren't mutually exclusive.
Pence was selected so that he would check some boxes for the coalition.
He was not necessarily the best man for the job.
In fact, there are rumors that the job was offered to each of the top three challengers from the primary season, and all three declined. So Pence probably wasn't even Trump's first choice.
But that doesn't mean Pence is doing bad now. He seems to be handling his role with the virus very well. His boss, on the other hand..m
Can you cite any credible source for that? I would counter that Pence was exactly the right man for the job and is doing it well. Which "boxes" does it check? You liberals are the only ones that tend to do identity politics.
You want a credible source for rumors? That's an oxymoron!
Kasich says Donald Trump Jr. offered the job.
We know that Trump has used his son for sensitive messages before.
And Kasich hasn't been caught lying about something important like this before.
Kasich was the second or third strongest rival to Trump Sr. during the campaign. It seems likely that Trump Jr. approached Cruz first.
But Trump's team may have been locked in on getting a governor from the Rust Belt, and maybe Kasich was the only person besides Pence that got the call.
(03-27-2020, 07:00 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]It's pretty common for the President to choose a VP that will bring in a different set of voters. I think it's probable that Pence was selected for that reason. As for Biden, I called it that he would pick Elizabeth Warren as his VP for the reason previously stated. However, with his condition, I imagine he's going to need to find a DNC approved candidate. I am calling it now that he will win the nomination, choose his VP, do a few interviews, then admit he has dementia or whatever is ailing him, endorse his VP as President. The DNC only has to approve the pick according to their bylaws. It's a rare opportunity for the DNC to skip the election and hand pick their nominee. No doubt Joe is going to do them a solid, since the did one for him.
A historical reference is Lyndon Johnson. The patrician Kennedys held him in distant contempt, but he brought in the Southern Democrat vote. LBJ's subsequent terms as President were salt in the wound of JFK's family. Robert Kennedy wanted desperately to regain the office.
They were both good men. I sometimes wonder what direction our country would have taken if only one of them had lived on. Ted's act of reprobation at Chappaquiddick forever disqualified him.